Trust the Democrats to be the most underhanded..

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NOVA

U. S. NAVY Veteran
assholes to take your rights away....


http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

Read it an weep....

Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal
tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.

This bill was introduced on Feb. 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT
this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective!

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with
a clip or ANY pistol unless:
It is registered - you are fingerprinted - You supply a current
Driver's License - You supply your Social Security # - You will submit
to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing - Each
update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported
and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to
own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a
child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. - They
would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun
safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for
up to 5 yrs In prison.



This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act o f 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all.
Trust Obama ? ..... You must be kidding!

The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,U.S.
Senate -You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099..
You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do.
 
bravo said:
assholes to take your rights away....


http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

Read it an weep....

Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal
tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.

This bill was introduced on Feb. 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT
this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective!

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with
a clip or ANY pistol unless:
It is registered - you are fingerprinted - You supply a current
Driver's License - You supply your Social Security # - You will submit
to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing - Each
update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported
and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to
own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a
child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. - They
would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun
safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for
up to 5 yrs In prison.



This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act o f 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all.
Trust Obama ? ..... You must be kidding!

The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,U.S.
Senate -You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099..
You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do.
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Lets look at all the pieces you posted.

#1 - "Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal
tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun."

Truth - SB-2099 is dead. The link you posted does not say anything about SB-2099. It refers to HR 45. A completely different bill that has nothing to do with list firearms on tax bills.

#2 - "This bill was introduced on Feb. 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT
this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective!"

Truth - This is not said in any portion of the link you posted.

#3 - "Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with
a clip or ANY pistol unless:
It is registered - you are fingerprinted - You supply a current
Driver's License - You supply your Social Security # - You will submit
to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing - Each
update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported
and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to
own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a
child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. - They
would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun
safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for
up to 5 yrs In prison."


Truth - This was listed in the website article that you linked:
"(Contrary to the example e-mail quoted above, the bill would not require applicants to "submit to a physical and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing"; applicants would have to authorize the release of any existing mental health records. Also, the right of inspection to ascertain compliance with the law would apply
to "any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce," not to ordinary households.)"

So they will not require applicants to "submit to a physical and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing", and the right to inspect to make sure of compliance is reserved for ""any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce," not to ordinary households"



#4 - "This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act o f 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all.
Trust Obama ? ..... You must be kidding!"


Truth - Again, from the Snopes site you linked:

"As was the 2007 version of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act, the current version has been referred to the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security, and the fact that the bill does not have even a single co-sponsor makes it unlikely that it will ever be brought to a vote before Congress, much less passed. ESPN Outdoors correspondent Wade Bourne summed up the bill's chances of passage thusly:
So, how likely is the Blair Holt bill's chance for passage? Pro-gun activists are vigilant but don't seem overly worried about it. They point out that the bill's failure to attract co-sponsors is an indication of a lack of enthusiasm for it among other congressmen. They feel it is too far-reaching and repressive of gun owners' rights to merit serious consideration by a majority of Congress.

Lawrence Keane of the NSSF [National Shooting Sports Foundation] states, "If this bill passes, Democrats would likely lose (control of) their chamber in upcoming mid-term elections (2010). The leadership in the House knows that." Keane says some 80 million-plus U.S. citizens own firearms, representing nearly half the households in the nation. He believes that House Democrats will allow the Blair Holt bill to die in subcommittee rather than risk the ire of so many pro-gun voters."
 
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The emails claiming that SB 2099 will require you to list all your firearms on your tax returns are a complete HOAX.

The following links verify this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/taxreturns.asp

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa091900a.htm This website article points out that the bill was first brought up in 2000, and never in 2009.

Even the NRA calls it a hoax and points out that the bill died in 2000, and was never reintroduced in 2009.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal/read.aspx?id=4925






Maybe you could rewrite the title of this thread to "Trust Republicans to use lies to spread fear" or "Trust Republicans to ignore facts and refuse to do research before spreading a hoax as if it were real"
 
Threedee said:
Why was it ever introduced at all, and was anyone committed for it?
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From Snopes:

"The referenced bill, SB 2099 (the Handgun Safety and Registration Act) is not currently before Congress — it was introduced to the Senate back in February 2000 (not 2009), and it was referred to the Committee on Finance, where it languished without ever coming to a vote. It also had no provisions for requiring handgun owners to list their guns on federal income tax returns."




So the scare tactics being spewed about are bogus. There has been no legislation to connect your firearms to your tax forms, returns or reporting.
 
WinterBorn said:
From Snopes:

"The referenced bill, SB 2099 (the Handgun Safety and Registration Act) is not currently before Congress — it was introduced to the Senate back in February 2000 (not 2009), and it was referred to the Committee on Finance, where it languished without ever coming to a vote. It also had no provisions for requiring handgun owners to list their guns on federal income tax returns."




So the scare tactics being spewed about are bogus. There has been no legislation to connect your firearms to your tax forms, returns or reporting.
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2000?

Well, it's gotta be Obama's fault, then...
 
WinterBorn said:
From Snopes:

"The referenced bill, SB 2099 (the Handgun Safety and Registration Act) is not currently before Congress — it was introduced to the Senate back in February 2000 (not 2009), and it was referred to the Committee on Finance, where it languished without ever coming to a vote. It also had no provisions for requiring handgun owners to list their guns on federal income tax returns."




So the scare tactics being spewed about are bogus. There has been no legislation to connect your firearms to your tax forms, returns or reporting.
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My link was about the Blair Holt Bill..HR45
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

and in my haste, I wrongly pasted old and incorrect info about SB2099....

My mistake.... good to see you all on your toes...
 
bravo said:
My link was about the Blair Holt Bill..HR45
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

and in my haste, I wrongly pasted old and incorrect info about SB2099....

My mistake.... good to see you all on your toes...
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I respect a man that admits he made an error.

The HR 45 bill will likely not have enough support to make it thru.


From the Snopes article on hr 45:

"As was the 2007 version of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act, the current version has been referred to the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security, and the fact that the bill does not have even a single co-sponsor makes it unlikely that it will ever be brought to a vote before Congress, much less passed. ESPN Outdoors correspondent Wade Bourne summed up the bill's chances of passage thusly:
So, how likely is the Blair Holt bill's chance for passage? Pro-gun activists are vigilant but don't seem overly worried about it. They point out that the bill's failure to attract co-sponsors is an indication of a lack of enthusiasm for it among other congressmen. They feel it is too far-reaching and repressive of gun owners' rights to merit serious consideration by a majority of Congress.

Lawrence Keane of the NSSF [National Shooting Sports Foundation] states, "If this bill passes, Democrats would likely lose (control of) their chamber in upcoming mid-term elections (2010). The leadership in the House knows that." Keane says some 80 million-plus U.S. citizens own firearms, representing nearly half the households in the nation. He believes that House Democrats will allow the Blair Holt bill to die in subcommittee rather than risk the ire of so many pro-gun voters."



When I used this earlier, it was quoted from the Snopes article on HR 45:

"(Contrary to the example e-mail quoted above, the bill would not require applicants to "submit to a physical and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing"; applicants would have to authorize the release of any existing mental health records. Also, the right of inspection to ascertain compliance with the law would apply to "any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce," not to ordinary households.)"

So the idea that they would be able to inspect your firearm storage at anytime would only apply if you are a commercial firearm manufacturer or engaging in selling firearms commercially.
 
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