Trump, Who Pledged to Overhaul Nuclear Arsenal, Now Faces Increased Costs

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When President Barack Obama’s term ended in January, he left a momentous decision to the Trump administration: whether to continue a 30-year, $1 trillion program to remake America’s atomic weapons, as well as its bombers, submarines and land-based missiles.

Mr. Trump has pledged to overhaul the arsenal, which he has called obsolete. But his challenge is growing: The first official government estimate of the project, prepared by the Congressional Budget Office and due to be published in the coming weeks, will put the cost at more than $1.2 trillion — 20 percent more than the figure envisioned by the Obama administration.

The Trump White House’s proposed budget calls for big increases in research and development for new weapons, but it does not yet grapple with the ultimate budget-busting cost of producing a new fleet of delivery vehicles. The Obama administration left the hard budgetary choices for the next administration, and it is unclear whether Mr. Trump’s administration can stomach the rising cost.

“This is why there is no real five-year plan for the defense budget,” said Representative Adam Smith, Democrat of Washington and a member of the House Armed Services Committee, who has asked whether the United States needs all of the 1,550 nuclear weapons it can deploy under a 2010 treaty with Russia. “No one wants to face these numbers.”


The new estimate, which was obtained by The New York Times, offers a hard look at what it would take to remake an aging nuclear weapons complex that is vulnerable to cyberattack. While Mr. Obama once talked about eliminating such weapons over a period of decades, Mr. Trump has a different view. In December, he wrote on Twitter that the United States “must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability.”

The Obama administration program envisioned a nuclear arms buildup unseen since the Reagan administration, with all the resonance of a re-emerging cold war. On the table is the development of a new long-range, nuclear-tipped cruise missile that Mr. Obama’s Defense Department embraced but that some leading nuclear strategists consider unnecessary and potentially destabilizing.

While few question the need for a major update to the nation’s nuclear infrastructure — there are B-52 bombers now being maintained or flown by the grandchildren of their original crew members — the United States is facing a bill so large that the Trump administration has yet to fully figure it into its budget projections.

“It’s a staggering estimate,” said Andrew C. Weber, an assistant defense secretary in the Obama administration and a former director of the Nuclear Weapons Council, an interagency body that oversees the nation’s arsenal.

Mr. Weber said that when he was in the government, he advised against developing the cruise missile because of the cost and because he believed it could fuel a new arms race.

At the heart of the debate is the future of America’s relationship with Russia. With Mr. Trump fighting accusations that his associates might have colluded with Russian officials during the election, administration officials acknowledge that it is almost impossible to imagine a new round of arms control negotiations that might ease the need for a major buildup. The Russians are still building, and the United States has accused Moscow of violating an intermediate-range missile treaty, forcing Washington to develop a response.

But also on the table are other revived nuclear weapons, all under the control of the Energy Department, as well as the really big-ticket military items: a stealthy nuclear bomber to replace the B-52 and B-1 bombers, and a fleet of new, silent submarines. Most controversial are plans to overhaul the oldest and most vulnerable part of the American nuclear complex: the Minuteman missiles that are buried in silos across the Midwest and West. The Pentagon conceded last year that the missiles are so antiquated that they are still run on eight-inch floppy computer disks.

Upgrading the missiles would be among the most expensive parts of a Trump military buildup, and critics say it is time to give them up.
 
A refurbishment of a warhead carried by American bombers, called the B-61, is nearing production, but most of the programs that the Obama administration put in place remain largely in the development phase. The much larger costs of producing the weapons and delivery systems would not come until 2020 or 2021.

The steep rise in costs in the coming years will almost certainly force Congress to choose which programs are the most important for the military, Mr. Weber said. “What’s clear is you save more money by eliminating programs than by buying fewer of something,” he said.

Critics have questioned the need not only for the nuclear-tipped cruise missile, but also for the development of a set of “interoperable warheads” that could be fired from intercontinental ballistic missiles or from submarine-launched missiles. The effective lifetime of those weapons could be extended without producing the interoperable version, the critics say.

Others, like William J. Perry, a defense secretary under President Bill Clinton, have urged a wider redesign of the nuclear deterrent. Mr. Perry has called for eliminating one leg of the “nuclear triad,” which consists of nuclear delivery systems on land, in the air and under the sea. He has argued that the United States would still be safe and save billions of dollars without the intercontinental missiles.

“We simply do not need to rebuild all of the weapons we had during the cold war,” Mr. Perry wrote recently in a Ploughshares publication.

By contrast, Mr. Kehler argued that the triad should be maintained because it posed almost insurmountable problems for any adversary. “In the 21st century, unfortunately, these weapons still exist,” he said, “and, in my humble opinion, are going to exist in the world for as far into the future as we can see.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
 
insane.."nuclear tipped cruise missile" like we need medium ranged nukes? for WHAT?

interoperable warheads” that could be fired from intercontinental ballistic missiles or from submarine-launched missiles.
plug and play?? WTF?

With Mr. Trump fighting accusations that his associates might have colluded with Russian officials during the election, administration officials acknowledge that it is almost impossible to imagine a new round of arms control negotiations that might ease the need for a major buildup. The Russians are still building, and the United States has accused Moscow of violating an intermediate-range missile treaty, forcing Washington to develop a response.
it's getting worse,not better with Russiaphobia frenzied hysteria on the loose.
We always worked towards arms control during the Cold War..but not now..
 
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the Russians are still building, and the United States has accused Moscow of violating an intermediate-range missile treaty, forcing Washington to develop a response.
cycle of death
 
We just don't know yet, if this is another saber rattling military fake out, like Reagan's Star Wars.
 
We just don't know yet, if this is another saber rattling military fake out, like Reagan's Star Wars.
it's no "fake out" it's what would be needed to upgrade all the systems.

The best thing to do is get rid of the "minutemen" -very costly and obsolete ( floppy disc)
we have plenty of bombers and subs.

But we won't. and now we are countering "nuclear tipped cruise missiles" (European theater battlefield)
because we will not engage in arms control talks with 'da Russians'. Cold War 2.0 moves on unchecked
 
I do not think you want nuclear missile lauches by floppy disc? That is a lot of guidance and armoring sequences

Why not? We went to the moon with less computer processing power than a smart phone. All hooking into a network does is give you more security headaches.
 
Floppy disk may be the way to go here.

Hack that Putin.

You might say that in jest but there is more truth in it than you might guess....pc's in the missile silo's actually, in reality, do use floppy disk's....not the 5" or 3" , but
the oldest and most obsolete of all, 7 inch floppys...that was obsolete in the mid 1970's....

Now to annatta

program to “modernize” the US nuclear arsenal and production facilities.....OBAMA"S plan....

Although President Obama began his administration with a dramatic public commitment to build a nuclear weapons-free world, that commitment has long ago dwindled and died. It has been replaced by an administration plan to build a new generation of US nuclear weapons and nuclear production facilities to last the nation well into the second half of the 21st century.

This plan, which has received almost no attention by the mass media, includes redesigned nuclear warheads, as well as new nuclear bombers, submarines, land-based missiles, weapons labs and production plants. The estimated cost? $1,000,000,000,000.00 — or, for those readers unfamiliar with such lofty figures, $1 trillion.

http://billmoyers.com/story/the-trillion-dollar-question-the-media-have-neglected-to-ask-presidential-candidates/
 
You might say that in jest but there is more truth in it than you might guess....pc's in the missile silo's actually, in reality, do use floppy disk's....not the 5" or 3" , but
the oldest and most obsolete of all, 7 inch floppys...that was obsolete in the mid 1970's....

Now to annatta

program to “modernize” the US nuclear arsenal and production facilities.....OBAMA"S plan....

Although President Obama began his administration with a dramatic public commitment to build a nuclear weapons-free world, that commitment has long ago dwindled and died. It has been replaced by an administration plan to build a new generation of US nuclear weapons and nuclear production facilities to last the nation well into the second half of the 21st century.

This plan, which has received almost no attention by the mass media, includes redesigned nuclear warheads, as well as new nuclear bombers, submarines, land-based missiles, weapons labs and production plants. The estimated cost? $1,000,000,000,000.00 — or, for those readers unfamiliar with such lofty figures, $1 trillion.

http://billmoyers.com/story/the-trillion-dollar-question-the-media-have-neglected-to-ask-presidential-candidates/
what we need to do is determine where to place resources..
I do not think we even need Minutemen" anymore. I also think we should be looking at hypersonic weapons -
so called "space drones"..
and forget this cruise missile ( battlefield) nukes
 
1.2 trillion. lol. The 2016 budget was something like 4 trillion and 2.2 or 2.3 trillion of that is for entitlements. So they are asking for pretty much everything leftover :P
 
it's no "fake out" it's what would be needed to upgrade all the systems.

The best thing to do is get rid of the "minutemen" -very costly and obsolete ( floppy disc)
we have plenty of bombers and subs.

But we won't. and now we are countering "nuclear tipped cruise missiles" (European theater battlefield)
because we will not engage in arms control talks with 'da Russians'. Cold War 2.0 moves on unchecked

Why not let the silos remain as decoy targets, and let the Russians THINK they are operational?
 
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