Trump supporters kills 4 and destroys Mormon Church in MI.

Hume said:
Where are all you Charlie Kirk people?!
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MAGA morons are silent on Mormons being murdered because these are dead bodies they can't milk for political advantage.

Fanatical right wing Christian nationalists think Mormonism is an evil cult.
 
Cypress said:
MAGA morons are silent on Mormons being murdered because these are dead bodies they can't milk for political advantage.

Fanatical right wing Christian nationalists think Mormonism is an evil cult.
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Maybe. But burning down a church seems something Trump cannot comment on.
 

Key Details on the Motive​


  • Personal Background and Grudge: The suspect, 40-year-old Thomas Jacob Sanford (a former U.S. Marine who served in Iraq), had lived in Utah around 2013–2014, where he became involved with a devout LDS woman. Friends say he felt intense pressure to convert to join the church— including demands like removing his tattoos—but ultimately resisted, leading to a bitter breakup. Sanford blamed the church for "ruining his life" and developed an obsessive animosity, ranting frequently about Mormons being "the Antichrist" who would "take over the world." One acquaintance recalled him dominating conversations with these views, even at a wedding: "All he could talk about was Mormons. I was like, dude, nobody wants to hear about this stuff."
  • Recent Expressions of Hatred: Just days before the attack (around September 22–23), Sanford encountered Kris Johns, a Burton City Council candidate canvassing door-to-door. He calmly but "extremely angrily" under the surface, repeated: "Mormons are the Antichrist," while venting about his ex-girlfriend and the church's role in his pain. His best friend, Peter Tersigni (known since preschool), described Sanford's mental state upon returning to Michigan as "rough," worsened by heavy methamphetamine use and possible PTSD from his Iraq deployment, which shifted him from a "class clown" to a troubled man.
  • Official Assessment: The FBI has classified the incident as an "act of targeted violence," with Director Kash Patel stating Sanford "hated people of the Mormon faith." White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt echoed this, calling it the act of "an individual who hated people of the Mormon faith" and noting probes into premeditation (e.g., no manifesto found yet, but they're reviewing his devices and IEDs recovered at the scene). Early speculation about political ties (Sanford was a right-wing Republican) was dismissed; it's not linked to broader extremism. Over 100 interviews are complete, but Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer urged avoiding speculation as the probe continues.

The attack killed four (including Sanford, shot by police) and injured eight via gunshots or smoke inhalation from the arson (started with an accelerant like gasoline). No prior direct ties between Sanford and the specific congregation were found, but the hatred was clearly church-wide. While the investigation isn't fully closed, this personal/religious hate motive is the prevailing explanation based on current evidence.
 
Damocles said:

Key Details on the Motive​


  • Personal Background and Grudge: The suspect, 40-year-old Thomas Jacob Sanford (a former U.S. Marine who served in Iraq), had lived in Utah around 2013–2014, where he became involved with a devout LDS woman. Friends say he felt intense pressure to convert to join the church— including demands like removing his tattoos—but ultimately resisted, leading to a bitter breakup. Sanford blamed the church for "ruining his life" and developed an obsessive animosity, ranting frequently about Mormons being "the Antichrist" who would "take over the world." One acquaintance recalled him dominating conversations with these views, even at a wedding: "All he could talk about was Mormons. I was like, dude, nobody wants to hear about this stuff."
  • Recent Expressions of Hatred: Just days before the attack (around September 22–23), Sanford encountered Kris Johns, a Burton City Council candidate canvassing door-to-door. He calmly but "extremely angrily" under the surface, repeated: "Mormons are the Antichrist," while venting about his ex-girlfriend and the church's role in his pain. His best friend, Peter Tersigni (known since preschool), described Sanford's mental state upon returning to Michigan as "rough," worsened by heavy methamphetamine use and possible PTSD from his Iraq deployment, which shifted him from a "class clown" to a troubled man.
  • Official Assessment: The FBI has classified the incident as an "act of targeted violence," with Director Kash Patel stating Sanford "hated people of the Mormon faith." White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt echoed this, calling it the act of "an individual who hated people of the Mormon faith" and noting probes into premeditation (e.g., no manifesto found yet, but they're reviewing his devices and IEDs recovered at the scene). Early speculation about political ties (Sanford was a right-wing Republican) was dismissed; it's not linked to broader extremism. Over 100 interviews are complete, but Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer urged avoiding speculation as the probe continues.

The attack killed four (including Sanford, shot by police) and injured eight via gunshots or smoke inhalation from the arson (started with an accelerant like gasoline). No prior direct ties between Sanford and the specific congregation were found, but the hatred was clearly church-wide. While the investigation isn't fully closed, this personal/religious hate motive is the prevailing explanation based on current evidence.
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You of all people refusing to cite the source.
 
Hume said:
Sorry, not interested in every random thought you post.
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Well, you just said every religion is a cult and every cult is a religion. You have also claimed to be able to debate and you have mocked those who can't...while your favorite post was "go kill yourself".

I'm just not seeing any sign of intelligent life anywhere in you and I wanted to give you a chance to prove me wrong. I have to assume you have declined my offer.

Have a wonderful evening Humerous.
 
proud PETA member said:
Well, you just said every religion is a cult and every cult is a religion. You have also claimed to be able to debate and you have mocked those who can't...while your favorite post was "go kill yourself".

I'm just not seeing any sign of intelligent life anywhere in you and I wanted to give you a chance to prove me wrong. I have to assume you have declined my offer.

Have a wonderful evening Humerous.
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fuck off you pain in the neck troll
 
Damocles said:

Key Details on the Motive​


  • Personal Background and Grudge: The suspect, 40-year-old Thomas Jacob Sanford (a former U.S. Marine who served in Iraq), had lived in Utah around 2013–2014, where he became involved with a devout LDS woman. Friends say he felt intense pressure to convert to join the church— including demands like removing his tattoos—but ultimately resisted, leading to a bitter breakup. Sanford blamed the church for "ruining his life" and developed an obsessive animosity, ranting frequently about Mormons being "the Antichrist" who would "take over the world." One acquaintance recalled him dominating conversations with these views, even at a wedding: "All he could talk about was Mormons. I was like, dude, nobody wants to hear about this stuff."
  • Recent Expressions of Hatred: Just days before the attack (around September 22–23), Sanford encountered Kris Johns, a Burton City Council candidate canvassing door-to-door. He calmly but "extremely angrily" under the surface, repeated: "Mormons are the Antichrist," while venting about his ex-girlfriend and the church's role in his pain. His best friend, Peter Tersigni (known since preschool), described Sanford's mental state upon returning to Michigan as "rough," worsened by heavy methamphetamine use and possible PTSD from his Iraq deployment, which shifted him from a "class clown" to a troubled man.
  • Official Assessment: The FBI has classified the incident as an "act of targeted violence," with Director Kash Patel stating Sanford "hated people of the Mormon faith." White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt echoed this, calling it the act of "an individual who hated people of the Mormon faith" and noting probes into premeditation (e.g., no manifesto found yet, but they're reviewing his devices and IEDs recovered at the scene). Early speculation about political ties (Sanford was a right-wing Republican) was dismissed; it's not linked to broader extremism. Over 100 interviews are complete, but Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer urged avoiding speculation as the probe continues.

The attack killed four (including Sanford, shot by police) and injured eight via gunshots or smoke inhalation from the arson (started with an accelerant like gasoline). No prior direct ties between Sanford and the specific congregation were found, but the hatred was clearly church-wide. While the investigation isn't fully closed, this personal/religious hate motive is the prevailing explanation based on current evidence.
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Sounds like he was a decent guy, but then the war messed him up and he turned to meth. I don't think the religion in particular had anything to do with his evil decision to shoot and burn people. He was madly in love and whatever religion stood between him and his girl was going to be a target.

I make no excuses for him. This was pure evil and if he were alive I'd want the full force of the law upon him.

I will say that this does highlight the need for our service men and women to get the help they need after returning from war. These guys go out and sacrifice and give us their all, just so Hume will still have the right to say stupid shit. We should have their backs when they get home. Too often they are neglected and forgotten.
 
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