Trump floats the idea of bringing back battleships

[Guno צְבִי]

Trump suggested that he's considering bringing back US Navy battleships, vessels that were retired decades ago, long after the kind of naval combat they were built for had become a thing of the past.

Battleships were heavily armed naval powerhouses built to slug it out with other warships. During the World Wars, they dominated the seas, but by the end of the Cold War, these once mighty warships were completely obsolete.

Speaking at a high-profile summit with top US military leaders at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia on Tuesday morning, Trump said battleships are on the table.

"It's something we're actually considering," he said, "the concept of battleship, nice six-inch side, solid steel, not aluminum, aluminum that melts if it looks at a missile coming at it. Starts melting as the missile's about two miles away. No, those ships, they don't make them that way anymore."

Trump floats the idea of bringing back battleships

American battleships were a symbol of naval power for decades but became obsolete with the rise of missiles and other warships.

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[Cypress]

Trump suggested that he's considering bringing back US Navy battleships

Just what we need. A 79 year old former reality TV star making decisions about what kind of weapons America's armed forces need in the 21st century.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Trump suggested that he's considering bringing back US Navy battleships, vessels that were retired decades ago, long after the kind of naval combat they were built for had become a thing of the past.

Battleships were heavily armed naval powerhouses built to slug it out with other warships. During the World Wars, they dominated the seas, but by the end of the Cold War, these once mighty warships were completely obsolete.

Speaking at a high-profile summit with top US military leaders at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia on Tuesday morning, Trump said battleships are on the table.

"It's something we're actually considering," he said, "the concept of battleship, nice six-inch side, solid steel, not aluminum, aluminum that melts if it looks at a missile coming at it. Starts melting as the missile's about two miles away. No, those ships, they don't make them that way anymore."

Trump floats the idea of bringing back battleships

American battleships were a symbol of naval power for decades but became obsolete with the rise of missiles and other warships.

news.yahoo.com

The fucking moron wants to relive WWII.

Next he'll be saying he misses the old style rotary telephones and cathode ray tube televisions.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Just what we need. A 79 year old former reality TV star making decisions about what kind of weapons America's armed forces need in the 21st century.

Worse is that he believes he's the smartest man in the room. Reagan surrounded himself with good people and listened to his advisors.

 

[Cypress]

The fucking moron wants to relive WWII.

Next he'll be saying he misses the old style rotary telephones and cathode ray tube televisions.

The Russians leaned quickly that an old fashioned heavy battle cruiser can be sunk by a low tech Ukrainian guided middle, and they withdrew their Black Sea Feet from Crimea in alarm.

 

[EdwinA]

lol another loony TDS commie thread whining about nothing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Russians leaned quickly that an old fashioned heavy battle cruiser can be sunk by a low tech Ukrainian guided middle, and they withdrew their Black Sea Feet from Crimea in alarm.

$20 says Trump wants a boat named after him.

 

[Kurmugeon]

During WWII, Battleships were used for Shore Bombardment in support of amphibious landing, far more often than Ship-to-Ship-Surface actions.

If we combined modern Radar and Drone Sensors, with smart guided artillery shells, with rocket motors for 200 mile ranges, that would create a very useful military tool for projection of power, without putting pilots at risk.

The cost of a guided, extended range (rocket motor) artillery shell is much lower per shot, than guided VESCL missiles.

The part of the Battleship package from WWII that doesn't make much sense is the Armor. Modern munitions can cut through the armor so well, that all that mass would be much better employed in things like DEW and Gatling Gun defenses.

There is also the aspect of how fast do you need such a battleship to travel. The 22-30 knot fleet speeds of WWII Battleships were seen as needed to make them effective in surface action ship-to-ship engagements. But even back when, there were Monitors, or very slow, heavy gunned ships, which were more like mobile hardened bases, than warships. The process was to move them into key sea way control points to project military power at low cost and high efficiency.

Let them be slow, and only moderately armored, and give them the range and accuracy of guided Rocket-shells, and you might have a very effective and lower cost way to protect vital sea-lanes.

With the potential addition of hyper velocity missiles or Rail Guns and special forces strike team inserting naval helicopters, very slow moving "Mobile Bases", might prove useful in projecting military power in sea-lane areas, were the surrounding nations are not friendly to the USA.

These Mobile-bases would free up Carrier Task Forces for other, more dynamic hot spots.

The Radical Muslims in the Middle East would absolutely hate them.

It wouldn't quite be the Battleships of WWII, but a modern cast of the old concept.

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[Kurmugeon]

They could be equipped with submerging support espons similar to oil platform supports, which allows them to be shallow sea-floor Grounded on arrival, making them hard to sink. Again, the concept is a mobile hardened, self-contained, base, not a "WarShip".

An 8-10 knot speed for a mobile base is plenty.

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[EdwinA]

They could be equipped with submerging support espons similar to oil platform supports, which allows them to be shallow sea-floor Grounded on arrival, making them hard to sink. Again, the concept is a mobile hardened, self-contained, base, not a "WarShip".

An 8-10 knot speed for a mobile base is plenty.

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I like the concept, but it is still air power that dominates warfare these days. Given how swiftly fronts shift now, I think they would be too slow to be effective. Most bases can be set up on land a lot quicker, via airlifts and portable buildings etc., and there are plenty of places that can bribed to allow us bases, despite the massive propaganda nonsense that we're 'widely hated n stuff'.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Trump is not a details person...as we see here again.

And he is generally pretty stupid.

 

[Kurmugeon]

I like the concept, but it is still air power that dominates warfare these days. Given how swiftly fronts shift now, I think they would be too slow to be effective. Most bases can be set up on land a lot quicker, via airlifts and portable buildings etc., and there are plenty of places that can bribed to allow us bases, despite the massive propaganda nonsense that we're 'widely hated n stuff'.

Well, when a trouble spot develops, such as the Yemen Missile strikes on shipping, you send in the Carrier task force. That's the fast response. When it is in place and providing cover, you bring in the mobile base, and get it ideally positioned in the shallows, set down it's Espons to ground it, and bring it up to operational status, then the Carrier task group is free to return for replenishment, or move on to the next hot spot.

The Mobil Base is fixed in place, anchored to the sea bed, and you replenish it by air or ships. Fixed to the sea bed, in a weather sheltered bay, it can act as a dock for other ships and boats.

You could even park two parallel base ships, and then erect a aircraft landing platform, with catapult, like a large carrier deck, between the two. The mobile base is modular, and you bolt on additional mobile base barges as needed, to get the total base needed. Another module could be a hospital. Another could be a Garrison with landing craft, and helicopters. Other modules could be under water Aviation fuel tanks, Diesel tanks, and ship Fuel-Oil Tanks. Other modules could be Espons with internal massive food storage, chilled by the water they are in. The Espons would have under water sonar, cameras, and security steel mesh netting.

When you are done with the Mobile Base usage, unlike a land base, you take 100% of it with you when you leave.

You cannot pull this mobile base out quickly, it would take weeks, with a Carrier Task group acting as military cover, during the assembly, movement, and disassembly.

But it would probably be placed outside the Territorial waters of nearby hostile nations. Probably.

That makes the Diplomacy element a bit more forceful that just the Carrier Task Group. The phrase "Don't make U.S. Deploy a Mobile Base, to protect our interests in the Sea-Lane, on your Doorstep!", could be used to force local hostile nations to control their internal discontents, to stop pirate and terror attacks.

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[Hawkeye10]

Could America build a Battleship?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Guno ,

Trump suggested that he's considering bringing back US Navy battleships, vessels that were retired decades ago, long after the kind of naval combat they were built for had become a thing of the past.

Battleships were heavily armed naval powerhouses built to slug it out with other warships. During the World Wars, they dominated the seas, but by the end of the Cold War, these once mighty warships were completely obsolete.

Speaking at a high-profile summit with top US military leaders at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia on Tuesday morning, Trump said battleships are on the table.

"It's something we're actually considering," he said, "the concept of battleship, nice six-inch side, solid steel, not aluminum, aluminum that melts if it looks at a missile coming at it. Starts melting as the missile's about two miles away. No, those ships, they don't make them that way anymore."

Trump floats the idea of bringing back battleships

American battleships were a symbol of naval power for decades but became obsolete with the rise of missiles and other warships.

news.yahoo.com

What an idiot. They are completely obsolete for a reason. They actually became largely obsolete for their intended purpose during WWII. Aircraft Carriers made them obsolete. There were no battles between battleships slugging it out like tall sailing ships of the 1800's and Admiral Nelson during the latter half of the war. They were too vulnerable from air attack and are now too vulnerable from missile attack.

This is a stupid idea from a moron who does not read and does not know history. By voicing this idea, Trump has shown what a waste of time and money gathering all the top brass was.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

The fucking moron wants to relive WWII.

Next he'll be saying he misses the old style rotary telephones and cathode ray tube televisions.

And typewriters! We must bring back typewriters! And you know there are going to be millions of new jobs opening up at the latest Trump buggy whip factory. He can use one when he rapes young girls.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,


And typewriters! We must bring back typewriters! And you know there are going to be millions of new jobs opening up at the latest Trump buggy whip factory. He can use one when he rapes young girls.

Ol' Pedo Don is pretty nostalgic. Maybe he dementia is causing him to relive his childhood memories?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Kurmugeon,

Well, when a trouble spot develops, such as the Yemen Missile strikes on shipping, you send in the Carrier task force. That's the fast response. When it is in place and providing cover, you bring in the mobile base, and get it ideally positioned in the shallows, set down it's Espons to ground it, and bring it up to operational status, then the Carrier task group is free to return for replenishment, or move on to the next hot spot.

The Mobil Base is fixed in place, anchored to the sea bed, and you replenish it by air or ships. Fixed to the sea bed, in a weather sheltered bay, it can act as a dock for other ships and boats.

You could even park two parallel base ships, and then erect a aircraft landing platform, with catapult, like a large carrier deck, between the two. The mobile base is modular, and you bolt on additional mobile base barges as needed, to get the total base needed. Another module could be a hospital. Another could be a Garrison with landing craft, and helicopters. Other modules could be under water Aviation fuel tanks, Diesel tanks, and ship Fuel-Oil Tanks. Other modules could be Espons with internal massive food storage, chilled by the water they are in. The Espons would have under water sonar, cameras, and security steel mesh netting.

When you are done with the Mobile Base usage, unlike a land base, you take 100% of it with you when you leave.

You cannot pull this mobile base out quickly, it would take weeks, with a Carrier Task group acting as military cover, during the assembly, movement, and disassembly.

But it would probably be placed outside the Territorial waters of nearby hostile nations. Probably.

That makes the Diplomacy element a bit more forceful that just the Carrier Task Group. The phrase "Don't make U.S. Deploy a Mobile Base, to protect our interests in the Sea-Lane, on your Doorstep!", could be used to force local hostile nations to control their internal discontents, to stop pirate and terror attacks.

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It is asking the enemy to toast it in flames. A highly mobile force is harder to hit. You don't have to get close to do damage with modern weapons. It's a novel, but archaic idea.

All an enemy would have to do would be lob old Greek Fire at it. You can't shoot down Greek Fire.

 

[Phantasmal]

Ol' Pedo Don is pretty nostalgic. Maybe he dementia is causing him to relive his childhood memories?

I believe he is. He seems to think Portland is still on fire. Reliving his first administration.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Trump suggested that he's considering bringing back US Navy battleships, vessels that were retired decades ago, long after the kind of naval combat they were built for had become a thing of the past.

Battleships were heavily armed naval powerhouses built to slug it out with other warships. During the World Wars, they dominated the seas, but by the end of the Cold War, these once mighty warships were completely obsolete.

Speaking at a high-profile summit with top US military leaders at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia on Tuesday morning, Trump said battleships are on the table.

"It's something we're actually considering," he said, "the concept of battleship, nice six-inch side, solid steel, not aluminum, aluminum that melts if it looks at a missile coming at it. Starts melting as the missile's about two miles away. No, those ships, they don't make them that way anymore."

Trump floats the idea of bringing back battleships

American battleships were a symbol of naval power for decades but became obsolete with the rise of missiles and other warships.

news.yahoo.com

going back to wwII methods is preferable to mutual nuclear annihilation.

battleships are good for protecting waterways and such.

you want to Nuke the those Yemeni pirates in the middleast?

that's overkill.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I believe he is. He seems to think Portland is still on fire. Reliving his first administration.

It's sad that our best option is to pray God takes him home.