There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that

[Walt]

We shall see if it was a good shoot.

There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that. The story that he had pulled a gun, and was about to shoot ICE agents before being killed is not possible. Clearly he did not have a gun when killed, and was not about to kill anyone. There is no possible universe where this was self defense.

It could still be mistaken self defense. That would be a bad shoot, but at least not a felony. Mistaken self defense is a positive defense, so it must be presented to be considered. The killers need to convince the jury that in their mind they thought he was a threat, even though he was not a threat.

And there lies the problem. They claimed he was a "domestic terrorist" who had pulled a gun on them, even after they knew for sure that he had not. They destroyed the footage he took of the incident. And most important they lied, repeatedly. So they have to convince a jury that while they have said a lot of lies about the incident, they are telling the truth about one part of it.

At first it seems kind of believable, that they mistook a cell phone for a gun... But then you realize they were focused on that cell phone from the beginning. They wanted to take that cell phone away from Pretti, because it was what he was using to film their crimes. That cell phone was the reason he was beating Pretti. They knew it was a cell phone, and wanted to take it away. When they killed him, they took the cell phone and destroyed it. That is destroying the evidence.

So a bad shoot, and probably murder.

 

[TOP]

There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that. The story that he had pulled a gun, and was about to shoot ICE agents before being killed is not possible. Clearly he did not have a gun when killed, and was not about to kill anyone. There is no possible universe where this was self defense.

It could still be mistaken self defense. That would be a bad shoot, but at least not a felony. Mistaken self defense is a positive defense, so it must be presented to be considered. The killers need to convince the jury that in their mind they thought he was a threat, even though he was not a threat.

And there lies the problem. They claimed he was a "domestic terrorist" who had pulled a gun on them, even after they knew for sure that he had not. They destroyed the footage he took of the incident. And most important they lied, repeatedly. So they have to convince a jury that while they have said a lot of lies about the incident, they are telling the truth about one part of it.

At first it seems kind of believable, that they mistook a cell phone for a gun... But then you realize they were focused on that cell phone from the beginning. They wanted to take that cell phone away from Pretti, because it was what he was using to film their crimes. That cell phone was the reason he was beating Pretti. They knew it was a cell phone, and wanted to take it away. When they killed him, they took the cell phone and destroyed it. That is destroying the evidence.

So a bad shoot, and probably murder.

You know you're never right.... This is another one of those times....

 

[Yakuda]

There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that. The story that he had pulled a gun, and was about to shoot ICE agents before being killed is not possible. Clearly he did not have a gun when killed, and was not about to kill anyone. There is no possible universe where this was self defense.

It could still be mistaken self defense. That would be a bad shoot, but at least not a felony. Mistaken self defense is a positive defense, so it must be presented to be considered. The killers need to convince the jury that in their mind they thought he was a threat, even though he was not a threat.

And there lies the problem. They claimed he was a "domestic terrorist" who had pulled a gun on them, even after they knew for sure that he had not. They destroyed the footage he took of the incident. And most important they lied, repeatedly. So they have to convince a jury that while they have said a lot of lies about the incident, they are telling the truth about one part of it.

At first it seems kind of believable, that they mistook a cell phone for a gun... But then you realize they were focused on that cell phone from the beginning. They wanted to take that cell phone away from Pretti, because it was what he was using to film their crimes. That cell phone was the reason he was beating Pretti. They knew it was a cell phone, and wanted to take it away. When they killed him, they took the cell phone and destroyed it. That is destroying the evidence.

So a bad shoot, and probably murder.

Yes we should move to because it's one less bat shit crazy leftist we're going to have to deal with in the future.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that. The story that he had pulled a gun, and was about to shoot ICE agents before being killed is not possible. Clearly he did not have a gun when killed, and was not about to kill anyone. There is no possible universe where this was self defense.

It could still be mistaken self defense. That would be a bad shoot, but at least not a felony. Mistaken self defense is a positive defense, so it must be presented to be considered. The killers need to convince the jury that in their mind they thought he was a threat, even though he was not a threat.

And there lies the problem. They claimed he was a "domestic terrorist" who had pulled a gun on them, even after they knew for sure that he had not. They destroyed the footage he took of the incident. And most important they lied, repeatedly. So they have to convince a jury that while they have said a lot of lies about the incident, they are telling the truth about one part of it.

At first it seems kind of believable, that they mistook a cell phone for a gun... But then you realize they were focused on that cell phone from the beginning. They wanted to take that cell phone away from Pretti, because it was what he was using to film their crimes. That cell phone was the reason he was beating Pretti. They knew it was a cell phone, and wanted to take it away. When they killed him, they took the cell phone and destroyed it. That is destroying the evidence.

So a bad shoot, and probably murder.

Agreed. It's obvious from the videos. Straight up murder from the first shot to the last.


The first shot at Renee Good was debateable but the subsequent shots were murder.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes we should move to because it's one less bat shit crazy leftist we're going to have to deal with in the future.

How many of the people around you know how evil you are? Are any of them honorable enough to help you move on, Yak? Help you do what you are too cowardly to do?