The US is broke. Have you noticed?

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Yet JPP lefties (and their thought leaders - from whom they obtain their scripts) apparently don't want to acknowledge that fact.

Instead they (predictably) pule piteously about lost benefits, laid off government workers, silly spending, etc.

Have you noticed that none of them have suggested funding these inane, insane initiatives personally?

Have you noticed that none of them have suggested that the numerous NGOs, "foundations" and "charities" they applaud should step up and take over financially?

Have you noticed that none of them have suggested that ActBlue use its apparently awesome fundraising capabilities to fund the programs, projects, and people they pretend to care so much about?

I have.

Have you?
 
Government bloat is crushing taxpayers. Look at the numbers: spending exploded 51.7% since 2019, with HHS alone ballooning to $1.7T.

While bureaucrats cry about "cuts," the CR that President Trump just signed in to law delivers $55B in real savings by targeting actual waste—$6.5B from bloated foreign aid, $502M from education paper-pushers, and millions wasted on DEI programs that don't serve citizens.

Smart spending means boosting defense by $6B while cutting $13B from bureaucratic excess. But temporary fixes aren't enough. The whole broken system needs permanent reform.

The Implementing DOGE Act (H.R.199) would lock in these savings and prevent future bloat.

Every dollar of wasteful growth gets rescinded. No exceptions.

Real reform means tracking every public dollar and making sure waste gets eliminated—not just paused. That's what responsible governance looks like.



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The US is broke. Have you noticed?​


It's only a thirty-three trillion dollar national debt. Tromp will print his way out of it.
 

The US is broke. Have you noticed?​

It is completely impossible for the US Government to go broke. The only form of default the US Government could have is a technical default.

Being broke is a failure to be able to service one's debts. All the US Government's debts are in US Dollars, pieces of paper that the US Government creates. We are no where near having to do that, but even if we did, we would not be broke.

A more simple solution, and what we should do if you think we are in trouble, is to raise taxes on the wealthy. That could easily reduce the deficit to a more manageable amount.
 
It is completely impossible for the US Government to go broke. The only form of default the US Government could have is a technical default.

Being broke is a failure to be able to service one's debts. All the US Government's debts are in US Dollars, pieces of paper that the US Government creates. We are no where near having to do that, but even if we did, we would not be broke.

A more simple solution, and what we should do if you think we are in trouble, is to raise taxes on the wealthy. That could easily reduce the deficit to a more manageable amount.
This would prove that you are not wealthy because if you were, you would not want your taxes raised, Rarely Right Walter.
 
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This would prove thst you are not wealthy because if you were, you would not want your taxes raised, Rarely Right Walter.
If we were broke, I would rather have my taxes raised than lose the country.

And anyway, I have two tricks up my sleeve. I was able to get an absolutely huge amount of my money into a Roth, which grows completely tax free, and then when I start taking money out at 59.5, is completely tax free to take out. Also, I have a lot of my wealth in investment I my never sell, and thus never pay taxes on.
 
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 3 percent.Nov 18, 2024
 
If we were broke, I would rather have my taxes raised than lose the country.

And anyway, I have two tricks up my sleeve. I was able to get an absolutely huge amount of my money into a Roth, which grows completely tax free, and then when I start taking money out at 59.5, is completely tax free to take out. Also, I have a lot of my wealth in investment I my never sell, and thus never pay taxes on.
If you put an absolutely huge amount of your money into a Roth, why are you still working?

This sounds phony.
 
Honestly, I am a little confused as to why our little friend Earl is not more up on Roths.

Roth IRA is one of the greatest tax shelters ever made. The only complaints I have is the limits on getting money in, and it is difficult to invest in non-publicly traded investments.
If you put an absolutely huge amount of your money into a Roth
You really cannot put an absolutely huge amount of money into a Roth. With backdoor contributions, it is maxing out $77.5k in 2025, you need to figure out a way to turn a moderate amount of Roth money into an absolutely huge amount of money.

why are you still working?
Why is Musk or Buffet still working? There are many reasons that people who could retire do not retire. I doubt I will ever retire completely. I would be worried about losing everything, and also what would I do with myself without some sort of work. Besides, I feel I contribute something to society.

And, you cannot take money tax free out of a Roth until you are 59.5 years old. I am 54 years old.
 
It is completely impossible for the US Government to go broke. The only form of default the US Government could have is a technical default.

Being broke is a failure to be able to service one's debts. All the US Government's debts are in US Dollars, pieces of paper that the US Government creates. We are no where near having to do that, but even if we did, we would not be broke.

A more simple solution, and what we should do if you think we are in trouble, is to raise taxes on the wealthy. That could easily reduce the deficit to a more manageable amount.

So you say, Salty Walty.
 
If we were broke, I would rather have my taxes raised than lose the country.

And anyway, I have two tricks up my sleeve. I was able to get an absolutely huge amount of my money into a Roth, which grows completely tax free, and then when I start taking money out at 59.5, is completely tax free to take out. Also, I have a lot of my wealth in investment I my never sell, and thus never pay taxes on.

I don't see any reason to believe you, Salty Walty.
 
I don’t believe you either, Rarely Right Walter.

Most wealthy people don’t talk about their wealth.

Why are you still working at nearly 60? Reporting to work at 5PM on a Sunday evening.

In 2025, single filers must make less than $150,000 to contribute to a Roth IRA and married couples filing jointly must make less than $236,000.

If you make less than 236K (married) you are not close to being wealthy.
 
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This is simple: What are Treasury Bonds payable in? US Dollars. Who makes US Dollars? The US Government. Can you find any flaw in that reasoning?



Salty Walty's claim that the United States can't be broke because the government can print more Treasury bonds payable in dollars to avoid default is not entirely accurate.

While it’s true that the U.S. government has the ability to issue Treasury bonds to raise funds and prevent immediate default, this does not mean the country is immune to severe financial difficulties.

Let’s explore why this oversimplifies the situation.

For a country to be "broke," it typically means it cannot meet its financial obligations, such as paying off debts or funding essential services. Salty Walty suggests that by issuing more Treasury bonds—essentially government IOUs payable in U.S. dollars—the U.S. can always cover its debts.

However, this approach has significant limitations and potential consequences.

Issuing Treasury Bonds: A Temporary Fix

When the U.S. government issues Treasury bonds, it borrows money from investors with a promise to repay the principal plus interest later. This can indeed provide funds to pay off existing debts. However:
  • Debt Doesn’t Disappear: Issuing new bonds to pay off old ones is like taking out a new loan to cover an existing loan. The total debt doesn’t decrease—it just shifts to new creditors.
  • Investor Confidence Has Limits: If the government keeps piling on debt by issuing more bonds, investors may worry about its ability to repay. They could demand higher interest rates to offset the risk, increasing the cost of borrowing. This could spiral into a situation where the government must issue even more bonds to cover rising interest payments, potentially leading to a debt crisis.
Printing Money: Not a Free Pass
Since Treasury bonds are payable in U.S. dollars, and the U.S. government (via the Federal Reserve) can influence the money supply, one might argue it could print dollars to pay off these bonds. However, this isn’t a simple solution:
  • Inflation Risk: Printing more money increases the money supply, which can lead to inflation—reducing the dollar’s purchasing power. Excessive money printing could even trigger hyperinflation, where the currency loses value rapidly, devastating the economy.
  • Dollar’s Global Trust: The U.S. dollar’s strength relies on confidence in the U.S. economy. Reckless money printing could erode this trust, weakening the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency and raising costs for imports.
Broader Economic Concerns
Even if the U.S. avoids default by issuing bonds or printing money, it can still be "broke" in a practical sense if its debt becomes unsustainable:
  • Fiscal Imbalance: If government spending consistently exceeds tax revenue, debt accumulates. Over time, this can strain the economy, crowd out private investment, and burden future generations with higher taxes or reduced services.
  • Political Limits: The U.S. has a statutory debt ceiling, and while it can be raised, political disagreements can complicate debt issuance, as seen in past government shutdowns.
Conclusion

Salty Walty’s claim overlooks these complexities. Yes, the U.S. government has tools—like issuing Treasury bonds or managing the money supply—to avoid immediate default. But these are not limitless solutions. Overreliance on them can lead to higher debt, inflation, loss of investor confidence, and long-term economic instability. Thus, while the U.S. may not "default" in a technical sense, it can still face serious financial trouble—meaning it can effectively be "broke" despite its ability to issue more bonds.

Just because the U.S. can print more bonds or money doesn’t mean there are no limits or consequences.

The real constraint isn’t default—it’s inflation, currency devaluation, and economic stability.

If the government floods the system with too many bonds or dollars, demand for them could drop, interest rates could spike, and the dollar’s value could tank. This wouldn’t be "bankruptcy" in the legal sense, but it could wreck the economy. Think Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe: printing money didn’t save them from collapse; it accelerated it.

The U.S. benefits from trust in the dollar and its institutions, but that trust isn’t infinite.

Data backs this up. As of March 15, 2025, the U.S. national debt is likely around $35 trillion or more (it was $34 trillion in early 2024 and growing fast).

Interest payments on that debt are ballooning—projected to hit $1 trillion annually soon, per the Congressional Budget Office.

Yet, the U.S. still borrows at low rates compared to other nations because investors see Treasury bonds as a safe haven. If that perception shifts, the "print more bonds" strategy could hit a wall.



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Most wealthy people don’t talk about their wealth.
You keep going on about generation skipping trust funds... Does that mean you are not really wealthy?

I don't know if I would say I am wealthy. I think of myself as "comfortable."

Why are you still working at nearly 60? Reporting to work at 5PM on a Sunday evening.
54 is not nearly 60. I will be working tomorrow night, but that is the first time in a week and a half.

Why is Warren Buffet still working at 94?
 
You keep going on about generation skipping trust funds... Does that mean you are not really wealthy?

I don't know if I would say I am wealthy. I think of myself as "comfortable."


54 is not nearly 60. I will be working tomorrow night, but that is the first time in a week and a half.

Why is Warren Buffet still working at 94?
You asked what GSTT’s are, Rarely Right Walter.

I explained them. I gave you the maximum before taxes are owned but I did not claim anything else.

Are you comparing yourself to Warren Buffet?
 
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