The Truth about the Nothingburger

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The Truth about the Nothingburger

The Democrats are tilting at the Russian windmill once again. It is no coincidence that this happens after a highly successful g20 summit and the fall of Mosul. Russia will always be brought out to distract the public when the President accomplishes great things.*

There are two facets to the Russia story that are being used to suggest collusion. First is the staff involved in the Trump campaign had some connection with Russia and other governments, like Turkey and Ukraine for example, in the past and second for whatever reason Trump campaign officials would meet with various officials connected to Russia.*

Staff

There is one thing that we have to remember about the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton was the establishment candidate and was very effective in rallying the establishment of both sides against President Trump. The Koch brothers did not give a single cent to the Trump campaign and the Bushes who controlled most of the political operatives of the were openly stating that they would vote for Clinton. There were even some stories circulating that anyone who worked for the Trump campaign would have been blackballed in Republican circles after they lost.

For better or for worse the regular Republican operatives were not available to the Trump campaign. It ultimately turned out for the better as the rag-tag team was able to deliver results the Koch and Bush vetted operatives were not able to. The 2016 elections saw major 8 and 9 point swings towards the GOP in Wisconsin and Michigan. There was even a historic 15 point swing in Iowa. Results like that come from experience and since the people involved in the Trump campaign were those in disfavor with Koch and Bush they could not get this in the US. They had to get it elsewhere and some of those places were in Europe. Only the most privileged people would not understand relocating where the jobs are.*

Any insurgent campaign would go thru these pains as the establishment would link arms against them. When the media condemn the Trump campaign for their staff they are condemning all insurgents who dare run against the political class.*

Russia

Let us start with the latest media meltdown, Donald Trump Jr. It seems some person said she was connected to the Russian government and said she had some damaging information on Hillary Clintons activity in Russia. Before we proceed let me just point out how hilarious it is that no one is stating that maybe Hillary did not have any covert activity with the Russian government and the lady who sent the email was bluffing. Everybody just knows that she has these ties.*

In any campaign when somebody says they have damaging information about your opponent you take a look at that information. If it turns out to be nothing then you have wasted some time and move on. The Clinton campaign had a disgraced M16 agent in Steele researching pee tapes on Trump with his contacts in the Russian government and other governments friendly to Hillary doing everything they could to prevent Trump from being elected. The Pope, who has stated he considers the insistence of Trump on border control and prevention of illegal immigration to be dangerous, even worked to divide the Christian community from Trump by questioning his faith. Every campaign will pursue every scrap of information and lead they have. They did this before the Trump campaign and will continue doing this after the Trump campaign.*

It should not come as a surprise that the officials in the Trump team meets with people from Russia or other countries. Since most of them were exiled by the Kochs and Bushes they developed their experience and contacts in other countries. Some of these contacts may reach out with information from time to time just like contacts from the US.*

If Trump used regular Republican operatives he would not have these problems. If he did that then we wouldn't have voted for him.
 
Amazing how some conservatives just can't get beyond last year's election. regardless of the President's perils, it's still got to be all about Hillary

Got to love the line, "when the media condemn the Trump campaign for their staff they are condemning all insurgents who dare run against the political class," how's that for playing the martyr role to max?

And the bottom line with Don Jr., Goldstone writes, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,” to which the son replies “if it's what you say I love it" and agrees to a meeting with a party with direct ties to the Kremlin. Frame it any way you like, but that is soliciting information from a foreign source, a no no in election law
 
Amazing how some conservatives just can't get beyond last year's election. regardless of the President's perils, it's still got to be all about Hillary

Got to love the line, "when the media condemn the Trump campaign for their staff they are condemning all insurgents who dare run against the political class," how's that for playing the martyr role to max?

And the bottom line with Don Jr., Goldstone writes, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,” to which the son replies “if it's what you say I love it" and agrees to a meeting with a party with direct ties to the Kremlin. Frame it any way you like, but that is soliciting information from a foreign source, a no no in election law

you want to discuss events last year but you dont want me to bring up events last year? :/
 
you want to discuss events last year but you dont want me to bring up events last year? :/

No, if you want to discuss new revelations of events of last year, no problem, but rehashing the same old rationalizations is irrelevant, Hillary is history, the election is over, and it is all about the current people in charge now
 
No, if you want to discuss new revelations of events of last year, no problem, but rehashing the same old rationalizations is irrelevant, Hillary is history, the election is over, and it is all about the current people in charge now

it is very relevant to the discussion to discuss as to why trump had to rely on people that are not usually running republican campaigns.
 
it is very relevant to the discussion to discuss as to why trump had to rely on people that are not usually running republican campaigns.

No it doesn't, whether or not he had help from "people that are not usually running republican campaigns" has little to do with Don Jr soliciting the aid of a foreign nation, a nation with an adversarial relationship with the US. That's like saying I'm not guilty of breaking and entering cause I only broke into this house cause all the others had better security systems.
 
No it doesn't, whether or not he had help from "people that are not usually running republican campaigns" has little to do with Don Jr soliciting the aid of a foreign nation, a nation with an adversarial relationship with the US. That's like saying I'm not guilty of breaking and entering cause I only broke into this house cause all the others had better security systems.

yeah i discussed jr in the second part of the article. I was discussing the russia issue as a whole not just one portion.
 
Amazing how some conservatives just can't get beyond last year's election. regardless of the President's perils, it's still got to be all about Hillary

Got to love the line, "when the media condemn the Trump campaign for their staff they are condemning all insurgents who dare run against the political class," how's that for playing the martyr role to max?

And the bottom line with Don Jr., Goldstone writes, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,” to which the son replies “if it's what you say I love it" and agrees to a meeting with a party with direct ties to the Kremlin. Frame it any way you like, but that is soliciting information from a foreign source, a no no in election law

Can you prove the former tabloid writer had ties to the Kremlin or do we take you and his word for it lol?
 
yeah i discussed jr in the second part of the article. I was discussing the russia issue as a whole not just one portion.

"no coincidence that this happens after a highly successful g20 summit and the fall of Mosul. Russia will always be brought out to distract the public when the President accomplishes great things"

Problem, the President did not have a successful G20 summit, Putin walked away the winner and the Europeans discarded the US as a world player, and Mosul is a good thing, but attributing it to this President would be like saying Truman won WWII, he just happened to be President when it ended. So there blows your "distraction" argument

"there are two facets to the Russia story that are being used to suggest collusion. First is the staff involved in the Trump campaign had some connection with Russia and other governments ......," which Don Jr just proved they did, .."and second for whatever reason Trump campaign officials would meet with various officials connected to Russia," which Don Jr. also confirmed

So where you going from there?
 
it should not come as a surprise that the officials in the Trump team meets with people from Russia or other countries. Since most of them were exiled by the Kochs and Bushes they developed their experience and contacts in other countries.
nicely done. You put into context, and showed why 'normal' republican campaign ops were not available for the general.Hence the foreign ones,and of course they come with their own "Russian contacts"

It doesn't excuse Trump Jr. ( although I wonder if he even knew the law) -but it puts the entire Russiaphobia thing into perspective.
Which really I haven't heard anyone attempt to do before - the MS press and Fake News sources not even considering it.

WTG..I don't usually say "way to go" - but you did an outstanding job here of putting in context.
Not that the Dems or Russiaphobes will acknowledge it, but an incisive piece of writing is it's own reward
A+ :good4u:
 
Interesting.

Let's do a little test. Let's see if the next big Russia revelation comes on the heels of Trump having a good run.
 
Interesting.

Let's do a little test. Let's see if the next big Russia revelation comes on the heels of Trump having a good run.
it's like they got them stacked up and ready to go.. If it isn't a Deep State leak,it's Congress or even the WH.
 
Amazing how some conservatives just can't get beyond last year's election. regardless of the President's perils, it's still got to be all about Hillary

Got to love the line, "when the media condemn the Trump campaign for their staff they are condemning all insurgents who dare run against the political class," how's that for playing the martyr role to max?

And the bottom line with Don Jr., Goldstone writes, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,” to which the son replies “if it's what you say I love it" and agrees to a meeting with a party with direct ties to the Kremlin. Frame it any way you like, but that is soliciting information from a foreign source, a no no in election law

They voted for "not Hillary"...They certainly didn't bargain for the bumbling, childish, egotistical, narcissistic, criminal fool that they got...
That's why all they can talk about is that they defeated Clinton...
 
"no coincidence that this happens after a highly successful g20 summit and the fall of Mosul. Russia will always be brought out to distract the public when the President accomplishes great things"

Problem, the President did not have a successful G20 summit, Putin walked away the winner and the Europeans discarded the US as a world player, and Mosul is a good thing, but attributing it to this President would be like saying Truman won WWII, he just happened to be President when it ended. So there blows your "distraction" argument

"there are two facets to the Russia story that are being used to suggest collusion. First is the staff involved in the Trump campaign had some connection with Russia and other governments ......," which Don Jr just proved they did, .."and second for whatever reason Trump campaign officials would meet with various officials connected to Russia," which Don Jr. also confirmed

So where you going from there?

Putin played Dawn like $2 fiddle...
The G20 was Trumpty against the rest of the world.
Vlad is Glad...
 
nicely done. You put into context, and showed why 'normal' republican campaign ops were not available for the general.Hence the foreign ones,and of course they come with their own "Russian contacts"

It doesn't excuse Trump Jr. ( although I wonder if he even knew the law) -but it puts the entire Russiaphobia thing into perspective.
Which really I haven't heard anyone attempt to do before - the MS press and Fake News sources not even considering it.

WTG..I don't usually say "way to go" - but you did an outstanding job here of putting in context.
Not that the Dems or Russiaphobes will acknowledge it, but an incisive piece of writing is it's own reward
A+ :good4u:

heil trump!
 
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