The Supreme Court Is Putting Us on the Path to Become a Christian Nation

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Even in 2017, Christianity is still the exception to the church-state separation rule.

The Supreme Court this week made a series of decisions that challenge the central tenet of secularism in the nation: the separation of church and state.

First and most shockingly, the nine justices unanimously handed Donald Trump a victory on his controversial Muslim ban. Justices decided to let parts of the ban take effect [3] until the court takes the case up in the fall.

Second, the court agreed to hear the case of a Colorado baker who wants the right to refuse service to a gay couple on the basis of his Christian convictions.

And third, the court ruled in favor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Missouri receiving state tax funds to restore a playground on its property. In making this ruling and taking up the other two cases, the court is strongly signaling that it takes seriously the demands of a fanatical Christian evangelical movement that seeks domination over American life.

Trump, whose Muslim ban had been stymied in the lower courts, was elated at the high court’s decision, [4] “Very grateful for the 9-O decision from the U. S. Supreme Court. We must keep America SAFE!”

The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State [5], explains what happened in an interview [6], saying, “The Supreme Court is moving more and more in an ultra-conservative direction” and that Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch has proven he is “even more conservative than his predecessor, the late Justice Antonin Scalia.” But Gorsuch was joined by all eight of his fellow justices, including liberals Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, in allowing a narrower version of the ban to take effect and deciding to hear the case.

“They did not have to do this,” Lynn points out. “They did not have to go even this far.” He believes the justices will realize that the ban is “designed to hurt Muslims and help Christians.”

Surely the court could have simply decided to rule on the case without allowing for its partial implementation. But in doing what it did and doing so unanimously, the justices have given Trump their symbolic stamp of approval on one of the ugliest orders issued by the new president—one that lower-court judges have found to be in clear violation of the Constitution.

If Trump’s recent decision to not celebrate Eid al-Adha [7]—the end of Ramadan—at the White House was a signal to the Islamophobes among his base, then the Supreme Court decision shows that yet another branch of the government affirms their hate.

The ban is not being implemented exactly as Trump envisioned. It will apply only to new visa applicants from six specified Muslim countries who seek entry to the U.S. and do not have a “bona fide relationship [8]” with someone in the country. The test that border agents and embassy staff will apply to potential visitors is likely to result in a repeat of the confusion and chaos [9] that erupted at U.S. airports after the ban was first announced, when many Americans showed their disgust with protests and demonstrations.

How can the Supreme Court’s liberals, seeing the widespread opposition to the ban, justify signing off on it? How can they undermine the rights and well-being of a religious minority over the unjustified fears of Trump’s largely white, right-wing base?

In deciding to take up the case against Colorado baker Jack Phillips, who refused service to a gay couple, the court indicated that it will consider putting the rights of Christians over the LGBTQ community as well. Every lower court in Colorado affirmed [10] that the baker had illegally discriminated against Dave Mullins and his husband, Charlie Craig. As Lynn told me, “The religious right views this case as an enormously significant matter.” The right-wing, Christian organization Alliance Defending Freedom [11] has thrown its weight behind Phillips, using terms like “religious freedom” to defend his homophobia. “This particular baker admitted that he had made a ‘wedding cake’ for two dogs [12], and all of a sudden, he’s now concerned about the terrible disruption to marriage that is caused by two men getting married,” Lynn observes.

There was a time in the U.S.—not too long ago—when businesses refused to serve African-Americans. Just as they do today, conservatives back then cited religious freedom to justify their bigoted behavior. Lynn draws the historical parallels, saying, “There were a lot of preachers on big, powerful, 50,000-watt radio stations who were, among other things, citing the book of Genesis and saying that ‘God separated the light from the darkness’ to prove that God’s intended arrangement was for segregation of the races.” If courts ruled that segregation on the basis of religious conviction was wrong then, one wonders why anti-LGBTQ bigotry is justifiable now.

The Supreme Court has issued rulings in favor of LGBTQ rights in the recent past, including this week, when it ruled for [13] the rights of mothers in same-sex relationships (Gorsuch joined Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas in dissenting), so it is possible it may rule in favor of human rights over Christian fears when it decides this case.

The third instance this week in which the Supreme Court blurred the lines between church and state—quite literally—was in a ruling in favor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Columbia, Mo. The church wanted to access state funds to refurbish its playground, which is used by children who attend its preschool—a school that, in the words of Trinity Lutheran [14], “incorporates daily religion and developmentally appropriate activities in a preschool program.” When the state refused, on the grounds that the use of state funds violated state laws of church-state separation, the church sued. Although Missouri’s governor eventually subverted those rules and granted the church [15] the tax funds, the Supreme Court decided to insert itself into the mix and take up the case, ruling in the church’s favor.

While it sounds innocuous for a church to use state funds to fix up a playground, the court’s ruling now sets a dangerous precedent. Lynn considers it “a really terrible ruling” and “portends very bad things for the future of funding.” Betsy DeVos, Trump’s head of the Department of Education and a strong proponent of state funding for religious schooling, is celebrating this ruling [16]. But Lynn, an ordained minister [17] in the United Church of Christ, says, “If your children are potentially at risk in your church or on your church’s playground, it’s your responsibility to make it safe,” not the state’s.

If the religious institution at the heart of this Missouri incident were a mosque rather than a church, can we imagine the Supreme Court making such a ruling?

The subtext of all these cases is that Christian evangelical conservatives see the U.S. as a white, Christian nation, and therefore push the idea of “religious freedom” over the rights and liberties of nonwhite, non-Christian Americans. Meanwhile, right-wing conservative groups like Act for America create a false narrative [18] about Muslims spreading sharia—Islamic law derived from the Koran—and generate hysteria over a nonexistent threat [19].

Christianity appears to be the exception to the church-state separation rule. Given our current political atmosphere, the United States is vulnerable to propaganda that favors the rights of Christians over Muslims (in particular), threatening the very notion of secularism. Now more than ever, we need to embrace the idea that the state is entirely separate from the church and other religious institutions. While our Constitution rightfully protects religious freedom, it does not do so at the expense of equal rights. Unless we as a society are comfortable undermining our rights in favor of the demands of any and all religions, the Supreme Court should stop promoting one religion over all others.

By Sonali Kolhatkar

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First and most shockingly, the nine justices unanimously handed Donald Trump a victory on his controversial Muslim ban. Justices decided to let parts of the ban take effect [3] until the court takes the case up in the fall.
not a Muslim ban. It's a ban on certain states that have a poor central, or no central government o verify

Second, the court agreed to hear the case of a Colorado baker who wants the right to refuse service to a gay couple on the basis of his Christian convictions.
hearing on the religious accommodation law
And third, the court ruled in favor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Missouri receiving state tax funds to restore a playground on its property. In making this ruling and taking up the other two cases, the court is strongly signaling that it takes seriously the demands of a fanatical Christian evangelical movement that seeks domination over American life.
all things being equal, does federal money apply to non-secular as well as secular playgrounds
 
not a Muslim ban. It's a ban on certain states that have a poor central, or no central government o verify

hearing on the religious accommodation law
all things being equal, does federal money apply to non-secular as well as secular playgrounds

If you say yes wouldn't you be setting a precedent that can lay the basis for schools and other religious influences that have both a secular and nonsecular quality?
 
Even in 2017, Christianity is still the exception to the church-state separation rule.

[FONT=&]The Supreme Court this week made a series of decisions that challenge the central tenet of secularism in the nation: the separation of church and state.
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[FONT=&]First and most shockingly, the nine justices unanimously handed Donald Trump a victory on his controversial Muslim ban. Justices decided to let parts of the ban take effect [3] until the court takes the case up in the fall.
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[FONT=&]Second, the court agreed to hear the case of a Colorado baker who wants the right to refuse service to a gay couple on the basis of his Christian convictions.
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[FONT=&]And third, the court ruled in favor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Missouri receiving state tax funds to restore a playground on its property. In making this ruling and taking up the other two cases, the court is strongly signaling that it takes seriously the demands of a fanatical Christian evangelical movement that seeks domination over American life.
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[FONT=&]Trump, whose Muslim ban had been stymied in the lower courts, was elated at the high court’s decision, [4] “Very grateful for the 9-O decision from the U. S. Supreme Court. We must keep America SAFE!”
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[FONT=&]The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State [5], explains what happened in an interview [6], saying, “The Supreme Court is moving more and more in an ultra-conservative direction” and that Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch has proven he is “even more conservative than his predecessor, the late Justice Antonin Scalia.” But Gorsuch was joined by all eight of his fellow justices, including liberals Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, in allowing a narrower version of the ban to take effect and deciding to hear the case.
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[FONT=&]“They did not have to do this,” Lynn points out. “They did not have to go even this far.” He believes the justices will realize that the ban is “designed to hurt Muslims and help Christians.”
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[FONT=&]Surely the court could have simply decided to rule on the case without allowing for its partial implementation. But in doing what it did and doing so unanimously, the justices have given Trump their symbolic stamp of approval on one of the ugliest orders issued by the new president—one that lower-court judges have found to be in clear violation of the Constitution.
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[FONT=&]If Trump’s recent decision to not celebrate Eid al-Adha [7]—the end of Ramadan—at the White House was a signal to the Islamophobes among his base, then the Supreme Court decision shows that yet another branch of the government affirms their hate.
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[FONT=&]The ban is not being implemented exactly as Trump envisioned. It will apply only to new visa applicants from six specified Muslim countries who seek entry to the U.S. and do not have a “bona fide relationship [8]” with someone in the country. The test that border agents and embassy staff will apply to potential visitors is likely to result in a repeat of the confusion and chaos [9] that erupted at U.S. airports after the ban was first announced, when many Americans showed their disgust with protests and demonstrations.
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[FONT=&]How can the Supreme Court’s liberals, seeing the widespread opposition to the ban, justify signing off on it? How can they undermine the rights and well-being of a religious minority over the unjustified fears of Trump’s largely white, right-wing base?
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[FONT=&]In deciding to take up the case against Colorado baker Jack Phillips, who refused service to a gay couple, the court indicated that it will consider putting the rights of Christians over the LGBTQ community as well. Every lower court in Colorado affirmed [10] that the baker had illegally discriminated against Dave Mullins and his husband, Charlie Craig. As Lynn told me, “The religious right views this case as an enormously significant matter.” The right-wing, Christian organization Alliance Defending Freedom [11] has thrown its weight behind Phillips, using terms like “religious freedom” to defend his homophobia. “This particular baker admitted that he had made a ‘wedding cake’ for two dogs [12], and all of a sudden, he’s now concerned about the terrible disruption to marriage that is caused by two men getting married,” Lynn observes.
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[FONT=&]There was a time in the U.S.—not too long ago—when businesses refused to serve African-Americans. Just as they do today, conservatives back then cited religious freedom to justify their bigoted behavior. Lynn draws the historical parallels, saying, “There were a lot of preachers on big, powerful, 50,000-watt radio stations who were, among other things, citing the book of Genesis and saying that ‘God separated the light from the darkness’ to prove that God’s intended arrangement was for segregation of the races.” If courts ruled that segregation on the basis of religious conviction was wrong then, one wonders why anti-LGBTQ bigotry is justifiable now.
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[FONT=&]The Supreme Court has issued rulings in favor of LGBTQ rights in the recent past, including this week, when it ruled for [13] the rights of mothers in same-sex relationships (Gorsuch joined Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas in dissenting), so it is possible it may rule in favor of human rights over Christian fears when it decides this case.
[/FONT]

[FONT=&]The third instance this week in which the Supreme Court blurred the lines between church and state—quite literally—was in a ruling in favor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Columbia, Mo. The church wanted to access state funds to refurbish its playground, which is used by children who attend its preschool—a school that, in the words of Trinity Lutheran [14], “incorporates daily religion and developmentally appropriate activities in a preschool program.” When the state refused, on the grounds that the use of state funds violated state laws of church-state separation, the church sued. Although Missouri’s governor eventually subverted those rules and granted the church [15] the tax funds, the Supreme Court decided to insert itself into the mix and take up the case, ruling in the church’s favor.
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[FONT=&]While it sounds innocuous for a church to use state funds to fix up a playground, the court’s ruling now sets a dangerous precedent. Lynn considers it “a really terrible ruling” and “portends very bad things for the future of funding.” Betsy DeVos, Trump’s head of the Department of Education and a strong proponent of state funding for religious schooling, is celebrating this ruling [16]. But Lynn, an ordained minister [17] in the United Church of Christ, says, “If your children are potentially at risk in your church or on your church’s playground, it’s your responsibility to make it safe,” not the state’s.
[/FONT]

[FONT=&]If the religious institution at the heart of this Missouri incident were a mosque rather than a church, can we imagine the Supreme Court making such a ruling?
[/FONT]

[FONT=&]The subtext of all these cases is that Christian evangelical conservatives see the U.S. as a white, Christian nation, and therefore push the idea of “religious freedom” over the rights and liberties of nonwhite, non-Christian Americans. Meanwhile, right-wing conservative groups like Act for America create a false narrative [18] about Muslims spreading sharia—Islamic law derived from the Koran—and generate hysteria over a nonexistent threat [19].
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[FONT=&]Christianity appears to be the exception to the church-state separation rule. Given our current political atmosphere, the United States is vulnerable to propaganda that favors the rights of Christians over Muslims (in particular), threatening the very notion of secularism. Now more than ever, we need to embrace the idea that the state is entirely separate from the church and other religious institutions. While our Constitution rightfully protects religious freedom, it does not do so at the expense of equal rights. Unless we as a society are comfortable undermining our rights in favor of the demands of any and all religions, the Supreme Court should stop promoting one religion over all others.

By Sonali Kolhatkar

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Nothing surprising here from alternet.org steering hard a port.
 
If you say yes wouldn't you be setting a precedent that can lay the basis for schools and other religious influences that have both a secular and nonsecular quality?
from what I know...
The state (locals?) was handing out money to put recycled rubber tires sherd into playgrounds
( common enough)
The non-secular school met the requirements as well as the secular.
Yet the state was trying to deny the tire shred spread to the non-secular on the sole basis it was a 'non-secular playground'

SCOTUS ruled a violation of the 1st ( though again I haven't read much of this -just passing on TV)
 
Pretty much it, but as I said, sets a precedent, suppose next time it is asphalt paving, then schools, etc., once the line has been crossed it will be continued to be tested

The only position I have is maintaining the Establishment Clause. It has led to some damn silly decisions in the past two hundred years, but it has kept us out of the religious entanglements and conflicts that the Founding Fathers had experienced and hoped to avoid
 
The Christian version of sharia is a thing. We should not have Christian or sharia law. We are not a religious-based government.
 
It's all this pesky freedom we've got. If only they could get rid of that, then maybe us heathens could be forced into line.
 
Newsflash: we've been a Christian nation from the get-go.

Nation:

a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
"leading industrialized nations"
synonyms: country, sovereign state, state, land, realm, kingdom, republic; More
a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.
___________

As long as the nation is predominantly Christian, it will be a Christian nation.
 
For some we have always been a Christian nation, some early American Christians argued for slavery, Calhoun for instance. Consider the crowds standing around at lynching, Christians too. Calling oneself a Christian is meaningless in America as the golden rule went out the window long ago. Think about the evil impact of the so called Christians in congress now wanting to take healthcare away from needy Americans. So call yourself whatever you like it doesn't really matter. A few wise people comment below.

"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." Gilbert K. Chesterton

"For the mature Orwell, Christianity was no more than a "lie, a semi-conscious device for keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. The poor were to be contented with their poverty, because it would all be made up to them in the world beyond the grave, usually pictured as something mid-way between Kew Gardens and a jeweller's shop. Ten thousand a year for me, two pounds a week for you, but we are all the children of God."" George Orwell

"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good." H. L. Mencken

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." Barry M. Goldwater

"Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love." H. L. Mencken

"The sacredness of the other is anathema for the Christian right, which cannot acknowledge the legitimacy of other ways of being and believing. If other belief systems, including atheism, have moral validity, the infallibility of the movement's doctrine, which constitutes its chief appeal, is shattered. There can be no alternative ways to think or to be. All alternatives must be crushed." Chris Hedges

""... Christians have already lost their independence when they attempt to find political solutions for problems that are essentially cultural and prepolitical — in other words, when they ask politics to do what politics cannot do....When there has been a profound sea change in culture, as the United States has experienced since the 1960s, it is both foolish and futile to think that it can be reversed and restored by politics alone. That approach will always fail, and can only fail. Politics is downstream from the deep and important changes in American culture, and what lies upstream is mostly beyond the reach of political action. Thus overreaching political activism is bound not only to fail, but to leave the cultural changes more deeply entrenched than ever and those fighting them weaker than ever." Os Guinness 'The Case For Civility" http://www.amazon.com/Case-Civility-Why-Future-Depends/dp/B002XUM2GU/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi
 
I think it's important to remember that Christians do have rights, too.

I've never been behind forcing small business people to create some product that goes against their moral or religious beliefs, as long as the product is not necessary to save, prolong or improve the life of the customer and as long as the product can easily be obtained from another local business.

In most cities and towns, wedding cakes can be obtained from a variety of businesses, so why force one to supply it just because they don't want to?

Reverse bullying.

I'll start worrying about the SCOTUS if/when they start forcing religion into public schools and the workplace.
 
from what I know...
The state (locals?) was handing out money to put recycled rubber tires sherd into playgrounds
( common enough)
The non-secular school met the requirements as well as the secular.
Yet the state was trying to deny the tire shred spread to the non-secular on the sole basis it was a 'non-secular playground'

SCOTUS ruled a violation of the 1st ( though again I haven't read much of this -just passing on TV)

Do you wish to obtain your assets or resources from the government? Then play the government's rules. Very simple.
 
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The one thing in this article that stood out with red lights, whistles and bells going off was the "false premise" that a court should base its rulings...not on the rule of law as it stands in its current ratified position...but a court should base its ruling on emotion and a supposed consensus JUST LIKE THE LOWER COURTS attempted.

No court has the constitutional authority to re-write law via opinion....no court has the authority to pick and choose what law they wish enforced and what law they wish to ignore. Its the duty of the court to "review" legislated law with an act that someone has challenged. The only possible way for all the emotional "snowflakes" to be made whole if this EO on immigration hurts their little feelings.....is to CHANGE the rule of law in the only institute that is authorized to change the rule....THE BODIES OF CONGRESS. If there truly is a majority "consensus" that thinks the Immigration EO is hate filled and not an act of a president to protect the people....it should be no problem for a consensus majority to CHANGE THE RULE OF LAW. Easy Peasy.

As established by a legal precedent that has stood for decades and centuries (the right of the POTUS to limit immigration in relation to national security and national sovereignty).....The President of the United States has the constitutional authority to establish limits and even invoke a total ban on immigration if he deems its necessary to protect this nation's citizens and borders.

Regardless of how long it takes SCOTUS to reach a final ruling on this incident....if the rule of law is adhered TRUMP WINS...based upon the actual facts in relation to ISLAM declaring war on the US...not once but twice, having at least the blood of 4K innocent US citizens on its hands to date. Its a most difficult thing to separate ISLAM from the facts when its a documented reality that 100% of all ISLAMIC ACTS OF TERRORISM are committed by MUSLIMS. In this case someone's declared faith takes a back seat to the reality of murderous acts continuing to be engaged by the religion of ISLAM.

Just what would be "LEFT" for the bill of rights to protect if THE NATION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA no longer existed? The horse/mule must always pull the plow....not the democrat inverse suggestion where the horse/mule attempts to push the plow. In other words LIFE IS PARAMOUNT to all other rights found in the US RULE OF LAW....for, without life....what's the need?
 
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Newsflash: we've been a Christian nation from the get-go.

Nation:

a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
"leading industrialized nations"
synonyms: country, sovereign state, state, land, realm, kingdom, republic; More
a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.
___________

As long as the nation is predominantly Christian, it will be a Christian nation.

The natives were Christian?
 
I think it's important to remember that Christians do have rights, too.

I've never been behind forcing small business people to create some product that goes against their moral or religious beliefs, as long as the product is not necessary to save, prolong or improve the life of the customer and as long as the product can easily be obtained from another local business.

In most cities and towns, wedding cakes can be obtained from a variety of businesses, so why force one to supply it just because they don't want to?

Reverse bullying.

I'll start worrying about the SCOTUS if/when they start forcing religion into public schools and the workplace.

Wow. I applaud your reasoning. I believe that if more on the left thought like you they would be winning more elections.


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Do you wish to obtain your assets or resources from the government? Then play the government's rules. Very simple.
yes because the "Supreme Court is not putting us on a path to a Christian nation."
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's ..
 
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