The Silver Lining in Walker's Victory?

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signalmankenneth

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sore loser ken?

you would be jumping all around if walker lost. get over it.

it is just another election. calm down big boy.
 
What was my personal 'silver lining' was seeing Rachel Madcow, hyped and ready to pull an all-nighter, only to sheepishly admit it was all over in 48 minutes. This has to be one of the most humiliating slaps in the political face of the left, in a very long time... for them to be searching for 'silver linings' and such.

It was stunning to see the liberal talking heads, claim that this just proved how much money can influence an outcome... uh.. and how much money do you think was spent here, to bring down Scott Walker? The entire left-wing socialist agenda hinged on this, and it didn't go their way. As Biden would say, this is a big fucking deal.

Now they can spin in all kinds of ways, but the people have spoken. This will mean that other states are going to consider measures similar to Wisconsin, since Walker survived politically. It means that we now have to accept the fact that this debate is over, it has been settled now, and we can move on. But I predict the Liberals don't want to move on and accept defeat. They want to continue to seethe rage and make 'Scott Walker' another universal synonym for their hate and anger. like 'Ronny Reagan' ,et.al.
 
Derp Derp said:
Pardon me? Can you repeat that? I can't understand what you are saying with Hitlers dick in your mouth.
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I knew you'd be upset that your predictions were wrong again.....but is this sort of petulant outburst really necessary?......you could just realize you ought not make predictions.....
 
Derp Derp said:
There is no silver lining. Democrats and Unions lost big time. It's their own damned fault too.
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Is it? I read this interview with a man who was against unions. And he was very angry. He was angry because they get good retirement plans and he doesn't. He was angry because they have good benefits and he doesn't.

Instead of looking at that and saying, hey you know what? We should all have that! A lot more of us used to! Remember? And this country prospered! They look at it and snarl - I don't have it why should HE. And it comes out like a hiss.

There is something wrong with Americans. They are tortured by the possibility that someone in their basic socio-economic class, someone they consider their equal or below, is getting something they're not getting. I mean, this shit keeps them up nights. They have been brainwashed into believing that the elite earned it and have it coming, and are in some way better than everyone else. But the idea that some Joe Schmo, just like me, might be doing a little better, well, that is not going to be tolerated.

And so they and their hate serve their masters well.

No, don't let Americans off the hook. There's a reason we are the only industrialized nation without universal health care - hatred of blacks. That's just historical fact. I'm not going to go into details to educate the cheap seats. We're really not a good people and I suppose in the end, we get what we deserve.
 
Dixie said:
What was my personal 'silver lining' was seeing Rachel Madcow, hyped and ready to pull an all-nighter, only to sheepishly admit it was all over in 48 minutes. This has to be one of the most humiliating slaps in the political face of the left, in a very long time... for them to be searching for 'silver linings' and such.

It was stunning to see the liberal talking heads, claim that this just proved how much money can influence an outcome... uh.. and how much money do you think was spent here, to bring down Scott Walker? The entire left-wing socialist agenda hinged on this, and it didn't go their way. As Biden would say, this is a big fucking deal.

Now they can spin in all kinds of ways, but the people have spoken. This will mean that other states are going to consider measures similar to Wisconsin, since Walker survived politically. It means that we now have to accept the fact that this debate is over, it has been settled now, and we can move on. But I predict the Liberals don't want to move on and accept defeat. They want to continue to seethe rage and make 'Scott Walker' another universal synonym for their hate and anger. like 'Ronny Reagan' ,et.al.
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Spin this Dix, the unions were outspent 8-1, perfect proof of the evil behind CU, and all your paragraphs of BULLSHIT do is prove it.
 
Darla said:
Is it? I read this interview with a man who was against unions. And he was very angry. He was angry because they get good retirement plans and he doesn't. He was angry because they have good benefits and he doesn't.

Instead of looking at that and saying, hey you know what? We should all have that! A lot more of us used to! Remember? And this country prospered! They look at it and snarl - I don't have it why should HE. And it comes out like a hiss.

There is something wrong with Americans. They are tortured by the possibility that someone in their basic socio-economic class, someone they consider their equal or below, is getting something they're not getting. I mean, this shit keeps them up nights. They have been brainwashed into believing that the elite earned it and have it coming, and are in some way better than everyone else. But the idea that some Joe Schmo, just like me, might be doing a little better, well, that is not going to be tolerated.

And so they and their hate serve their masters well.

No, don't let Americans off the hook. There's a reason we are the only industrialized nation without universal health care - hatred of blacks. That's just historical fact. I'm not going to go into details to educate the cheap seats. We're really not a good people and I suppose in the end, we get what we deserve.
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I'm not saying that Darla. I agree with most of those points. Democrats and Unions didn't lose this because of ideology, they lost because they handled the recall election incompetently. Had they managed this with half the skill that they did on organizing the recall they could have won. They obviously had wide support but on the political front they screwed the pooch.

The fact that they could not find a better candidate than Tom Barrett is a great example of that.

You're main point is correct. What makes Unions work is solidarity. Some where down the road Unions have lost their grasp on that concept and their political opponents have ruthlessly capitalized on it. To get it back Unions have to clean up their own house and stop being the breeding grounds of mediocrity and incompetents.

I agree with some of the ideas both Walker and Kasich have about wages and benefits for public employees. Where I disagree with them is that they took this to far in denying people a fundamental human right to negotiate for wages and working conditions. Here in Ohio I agreed with some of the concessions the Legislature wanted from public employees, I think they had some good ideas, but they went to far when they attempted to deny public employees a basic human right. That's why I voted for the petition to rescind Senate Bill#5 and then voted against it. Recalling Walker over his over reach in Wisconsin was a bad idea. His re-election opportunity would come up soon enough. If Wisconsin had the mechanism in place to place unpopular laws created by the legislature up for a plebiscite by the public the same thing probably would have happened there as in Ohio. The law would have been rejected as political over reach.

I've talked with People in Wisconsin who thought recall elections for public officials who implement an unpopular law or policy is as bad an idea as the bad laws and policies they put into affect. They have a very valid point. This was probably a contributing factor as to why Democrats in Wisconsin were unable to find a quality candidate to run against Walker. I bet that won't be the case in 2014 when he's up for re-election.
 
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There wasn't really a silver lining OR a dark cloud. I can't remember the last time I saw a more overblown special election result.

No one will even remember this election come fall. It's been hyped because people are in an election-year political frenzy & are trying to read something into everything, but that's it.
 
Onceler said:
There wasn't really a silver lining OR a dark cloud. I can't remember the last time I saw a more overblown special election result.

No one will even remember this election come fall. It's been hyped because people are in an election-year political frenzy & are trying to read something into everything, but that's it.
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I don't know if I would go so far as to say it was a way "overblown" recall election result. It actually does mean something, IMO. I predict it will not have an effect on whether Obama wins WI in November...I think he takes it with relative ease though perhaps not with as wide a margin as last time. But what it basically was was a largely Blue state saying that they've had a pretty heavy dose of Red governance and it ain't beenl so bad. I was struck with the post-election interview with the gentleman (some sort of public worker) who was required to pay a bit higher percentage for his retirement under Walker and said that he didn't mind if it benefitted his state. Even among Union voters, as much as Walker was demonized by the unions, the vote was about 2/3 against Walker and 1/3 for. It seems that 1/3 were ok with Walker's implementations. I'm sure that unions are worried that that 1/3 number might grow if things go well in that state. And I can see other states following suit. So the results might be overblown from a political standpoint (as to it's effect on the presidential election) but I still think the results were a pretty big deal....whether we agree with the results or not.
 
Rune said:
Spin this Dix, the unions were outspent 8-1, perfect proof of the evil behind CU, and all your paragraphs of BULLSHIT do is prove it.
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it would be an interesting argument if true.....however the Wisconsin State Journal audited the contribution records and concluded the unions spent as much as the right did.....that's been linked to this board at least five times that I can specifically recall....I doubt very much you missed it......yet you continue to state what is not true.......how do you explain that?.....
 
leaningright said:
I don't know if I would go so far as to say it was a way "overblown" recall election result. It actually does mean something, IMO. I predict it will not have an effect on whether Obama wins WI in November...I think he takes it with relative ease though perhaps not with as wide a margin as last time. But what it basically was was a largely Blue state saying that they've had a pretty heavy dose of Red governance and it ain't beenl so bad. I was struck with the post-election interview with the gentleman (some sort of public worker) who was required to pay a bit higher percentage for his retirement under Walker and said that he didn't mind if it benefitted his state. Even among Union voters, as much as Walker was demonized by the unions, the vote was about 2/3 against Walker and 1/3 for. It seems that 1/3 were ok with Walker's implementations. I'm sure that unions are worried that that 1/3 number might grow if things go well in that state. And I can see other states following suit. So the results might be overblown from a political standpoint (as to it's effect on the presidential election) but I still think the results were a pretty big deal....whether we agree with the results or not.
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The 1/3 union member/union household voting Republican is about the same as it has been for the past few elections.
 
leaningright said:
I don't know if I would go so far as to say it was a way "overblown" recall election result. It actually does mean something, IMO. I predict it will not have an effect on whether Obama wins WI in November...I think he takes it with relative ease though perhaps not with as wide a margin as last time. But what it basically was was a largely Blue state saying that they've had a pretty heavy dose of Red governance and it ain't beenl so bad. I was struck with the post-election interview with the gentleman (some sort of public worker) who was required to pay a bit higher percentage for his retirement under Walker and said that he didn't mind if it benefitted his state. Even among Union voters, as much as Walker was demonized by the unions, the vote was about 2/3 against Walker and 1/3 for. It seems that 1/3 were ok with Walker's implementations. I'm sure that unions are worried that that 1/3 number might grow if things go well in that state. And I can see other states following suit. So the results might be overblown from a political standpoint (as to it's effect on the presidential election) but I still think the results were a pretty big deal....whether we agree with the results or not.
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Well, when you put it that way.

I see the local implications, but nationally, I just don't think it's a big deal.
 
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