The Rights evolving argument...

[Jarod]

They keep grasping at straws and dont have anything consistant. I agree the President is weakened, but they are not set up for a presidental win, looks like (from this point) that President Obama may pull off a Reagan style reelection...

They started with the economy.
The economy began to improve.
They said, ya but look at the jobs numbers.
The jobs numbers began to improve.
They screamed about the oil spill and how it was Obama's "Katrina moment".
The oil spill ended and the argument never stuck.
Now it seems all they have left is his Birth Certificate.
You dont win an election on such a silly issue....

 

[tinfoil]

slugs!!

 

[WinterBorn]

The oil spill ended? You think it ended? Yes, it stopped spilling into the Gulf, but the damage is still there and still being done.

I am not making comparisons to Katrina. I am calling out the feds for allowing BP to use the "dispersant" that simply makes the oil sink out of sight. The oil is still there and still killing flora and fauna.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

They keep grasping at straws and dont have anything consistant. I agree the President is weakened, but they are not set up for a presidental win, looks like (from this point) that President Obama may pull off a Reagan style reelection...

They started with the economy.
The economy began to improve.
They said, ya but look at the jobs numbers.
The jobs numbers began to improve.
They screamed about the oil spill and how it was Obama's "Katrina moment".
The oil spill ended and the argument never stuck.
Now it seems all they have left is his Birth Certificate.
You dont win an election on such a silly issue....

1) The economy is still weak and revisions to expected GDP growth have gone from 3% down to 1.6%, which shows expectations that it is going to SLOW down from here

2) The jobs numbers are still atrocious. The unemployment rate remains well above where Obama said it would go if he got his stimulus passed. The main reason it has dropped is because people have given up looking for jobs... not because we have actually added well paying jobs.

3) Obama's reaction to the oil spill was pathetic. Blocking our deep sea drilling domestically while 'investing' in deep sea drilling in Brazil is the exact OPPOSITE of how you go about reducing foreign energy dependency. They should hammer him on this.

The Reps main problem right now is not a lack of issues.... it is a lack of a good alternative to Obama.

 

[Jarod]

1) The economy is still weak and revisions to expected GDP growth have gone from 3% down to 1.6%, which shows expectations that it is going to SLOW down from here

2) The jobs numbers are still atrocious. The unemployment rate remains well above where Obama said it would go if he got his stimulus passed. The main reason it has dropped is because people have given up looking for jobs... not because we have actually added well paying jobs.

3) Obama's reaction to the oil spill was pathetic. Blocking our deep sea drilling domestically while 'investing' in deep sea drilling in Brazil is the exact OPPOSITE of how you go about reducing foreign energy dependency. They should hammer him on this.

The Reps main problem right now is not a lack of issues.... it is a lack of a good alternative to Obama.

I agree that they do not have a good alternative, I agree the economy is not ausome, I agree that the damage from the spill is bad.....

The public and I do not agree that any of this is the fault of President Obama!

 

[Jarod]

If the R canidates had anything better than the Birth Certificate they would be talking about it.

I listened to Rush Linberger yesterday... All he talked about was how the R needs to be afraid of Trump and this Birth Cert issue.

 

[Bonestorm]

1) The economy is still weak and revisions to expected GDP growth have gone from 3% down to 1.6%, which shows expectations that it is going to SLOW down from here

That's what happens when you cut government spending during a period of slack demand.

2) The jobs numbers are still atrocious. The unemployment rate remains well above where Obama said it would go if he got his stimulus passed. The main reason it has dropped is because people have given up looking for jobs... not because we have actually added well paying jobs.

And all the while all the dumbasses in DC are talking about is the deficit. No one really gives a shit about the deficit, they give a shit about jobs. And if you want to reduce the deficit, one of the best ways to go about it is creating jobs. More taxpayers and fewer consumers of taxes paid improves the deficit.

3) Obama's reaction to the oil spill was pathetic. Blocking our deep sea drilling domestically while 'investing' in deep sea drilling in Brazil is the exact OPPOSITE of how you go about reducing foreign energy dependency. They should hammer him on this.

Of course, Obama's energy plan calls for more domestic drilling and the Brazil thing is one of those dumbass zombie lies that never dies.

The Reps main problem right now is not a lack of issues.... it is a lack of a good alternative to Obama.

Their main issue is that they care more about November 2012 than April 2011 - October 2011.

 

[Jarod]

1) The biggest thing that got us into this mess is cutting taxes while increasing spending for the Iraq war. (Every reasonable economist will explain that you just cant do this, thats why it had never been done before in American History)
2) When the Economy goes into a deep recession, you increase government spending proportionaly to the recession. (Everyone, except Republicans trying to attack the president, knows this, that is why Bush got the ball rolling with his stimulis package.)
3) If you cut spending during a recession, the recovery gets worse.
4) Now is the time to start with tentative and small cuts, if the economy responds well you move forward. If you do what the R's want you will kill the sickly recovery we are currently experiencing. (humm, maybe they are hoping for a bad economy to get an election issue....)

 

[DamnYankee]

They started with the economy.
The economy began to improve.
They said, ya but look at the jobs numbers.
The jobs numbers began to improve.
They screamed about the oil spill and how it was Obama's "Katrina moment".
The oil spill ended and the argument never stuck.

Can you imagine if Bush was president how this post would be different. LOL

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I agree that they do not have a good alternative, I agree the economy is not ausome, I agree that the damage from the spill is bad.....

The public and I do not agree that any of this is the fault of President Obama!

While the start of the downturn was certainly not due to Obama, he most certainly is responsible for getting us back on track. The majority of this country thinks Obama is FAILING in his economic leadership. So you are quite wrong to state the public does not blame him. If the Reps come up with a respectable candidate, Obama won't get a second term if things are not significantly better by November of next year.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

1) The biggest thing that got us into this mess is cutting taxes while increasing spending for the Iraq war. (Every reasonable economist will explain that you just cant do this, thats why it had never been done before in American History)

Bullshit. While cutting taxes without corresponding spending cuts was detrimental in the long term, the biggest thing that got us in this mess was the repeal of Glass Steagall. Period.

2) When the Economy goes into a deep recession, you increase government spending proportionaly to the recession. (Everyone, except Republicans trying to attack the president, knows this, that is why Bush got the ball rolling with his stimulis package.)

It is nowhere near as simple as that. It is HOW you spend the money that matters. You spend to promote JOB GROWTH. While it is ok to have short term stop gaps out of the gate, as Obama did, he had NO long term job growth initiatives that he enacted DESPITE running up Trillion dollar deficits. That is piss poor management.

3) If you cut spending during a recession, the recovery gets worse.

This is simply a talking point the left loves to shout. It is ridiculous. Because again, it matters HOW you cut. If you cut government waste, that is a BENEFIT to the long term health of the country. Part of future growth projections is future tax rates. If the government continues wasteful spending, corporations tend to hold tight to cash to help insulate themselves from the coming inflationary effects (and likely higher taxes). This is precisely what we are seeing happen today with record amounts of cash sitting idle on corporate balance sheets.

4) Now is the time to start with tentative and small cuts, if the economy responds well you move forward. If you do what the R's want you will kill the sickly recovery we are currently experiencing. (humm, maybe they are hoping for a bad economy to get an election issue....)

Again, the above is nonsense. While small cuts are better than nothing, there is no need to continue wasteful/unnecessary spending.

 

[cawacko]

Superfreak, it's Jarod. That's all that needs to be said. Pretty shocking he called the economy 'sickly' since he's the one who has shouted the loudest about how good the economic recovery has been and how he had a record earnings year last year personally.

 

[Minister of Truth]

I agree that they do not have a good alternative, I agree the economy is not ausome, I agree that the damage from the spill is bad.....

The public and I do not agree that any of this is the fault of President Obama!

Seriously, how the fuck do you mis-spell 'awesome?'

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I agree that they do not have a good alternative, I agree the economy is not ausome, I agree that the damage from the spill is bad.....

The public and I do not agree that any of this is the fault of President Obama!

I think the public disagrees with you, Jarhead... at least, every poll I see seems to indicate that. History also says that voters will hold the president accountable for these things, come reelection time.... regardless of whether he deserves all the blame or not.... just how it goes when you're the Big Guy in the White House. No, of course, you and your liberal friends don't think any of this is Obama's fault, you're still blaming everything on President Bush and Republicans. I just think you are all out of touch with reality, and what should have been a wake up call in 2010, didn't seem to phase you a bit.... you just hit the snooze button and kept on with the rants against Bush and Cheney, but I don't think that can save you this time.

The economy and unemployment are not markedly improved, and they likely won't be, by election time. S&P just downgraded our credit rating, oil prices continue to rise, and inflation is beginning to inch its way into our everyday lives. We've seen virtually nothing in the way of new jobs being created, and nothing from a policy perspective that would give any encouragement that might happen in the next year. Not to mention the THIRD war started in the middle east, which we can't pay for. Jarhead, I know you really need to be optimistic here, all of this stuff starts to get really depressing when you add it all up, so I don't blame you for trying to put on a smiley face and pretend things are just lovely, but it's going to really be a let down when Obama is not reelected and this whole 'heyday of liberalism' is over for you.

 

[cawacko]

Jarod, you say we shouldn't cut spending during a recession but look how many people, especially on the left, are calling for us to cut military spending. Do you think we won't lose a ton of jobs if we make those cuts?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I think the public disagrees with you, Jarhead... at least, every poll I see seems to indicate that. History also says that voters will hold the president accountable for these things, come reelection time.... regardless of whether he deserves all the blame or not.... just how it goes when you're the Big Guy in the White House. No, of course, you and your liberal friends don't think any of this is Obama's fault, you're still blaming everything on President Bush and Republicans. I just think you are all out of touch with reality, and what should have been a wake up call in 2010, didn't seem to phase you a bit.... you just hit the snooze button and kept on with the rants against Bush and Cheney, but I don't think that can save you this time.

The economy and unemployment are not markedly improved, and they likely won't be, by election time. S&P just downgraded our credit rating, oil prices continue to rise, and inflation is beginning to inch its way into our everyday lives. We've seen virtually nothing in the way of new jobs being created, and nothing from a policy perspective that would give any encouragement that might happen in the next year. Not to mention the THIRD war started in the middle east, which we can't pay for. Jarhead, I know you really need to be optimistic here, all of this stuff starts to get really depressing when you add it all up, so I don't blame you for trying to put on a smiley face and pretend things are just lovely, but it's going to really be a let down when Obama is not reelected and this whole 'heyday of liberalism' is over for you.

Point of clarification: S&P did not downgrade our credit rating. We are still AAA. S&P put us on a negative credit watch. That is essentially a shot across the bow. It is saying 'if you don't get your act together, we will be downgrading you in the future'.

 

[Jarod]

While the start of the downturn was certainly not due to Obama, he most certainly is responsible for getting us back on track. The majority of this country thinks Obama is FAILING in his economic leadership. So you are quite wrong to state the public does not blame him. If the Reps come up with a respectable candidate, Obama won't get a second term if things are not significantly better by November of next year.

I agree it is certainly President Obama's resonsability to get us back on track, and from my perspective he is doing better than I expected was possable.

 

[Jarod]

I think the public disagrees with you, Jarhead... at least, every poll I see seems to indicate that. History also says that voters will hold the president accountable for these things, come reelection time.... regardless of whether he deserves all the blame or not.... just how it goes when you're the Big Guy in the White House. No, of course, you and your liberal friends don't think any of this is Obama's fault, you're still blaming everything on President Bush and Republicans. I just think you are all out of touch with reality, and what should have been a wake up call in 2010, didn't seem to phase you a bit.... you just hit the snooze button and kept on with the rants against Bush and Cheney, but I don't think that can save you this time.

The economy and unemployment are not markedly improved, and they likely won't be, by election time. S&P just downgraded our credit rating, oil prices continue to rise, and inflation is beginning to inch its way into our everyday lives. We've seen virtually nothing in the way of new jobs being created, and nothing from a policy perspective that would give any encouragement that might happen in the next year. Not to mention the THIRD war started in the middle east, which we can't pay for. Jarhead, I know you really need to be optimistic here, all of this stuff starts to get really depressing when you add it all up, so I don't blame you for trying to put on a smiley face and pretend things are just lovely, but it's going to really be a let down when Obama is not reelected and this whole 'heyday of liberalism' is over for you.

I guess we will see who is correct come November of 12'. Historically the opposit of your precictions is what happens, so it makes me more comfortable that Preisdnet Obama will be reelected since it seems you are predecting his defeat.

 

[Jarod]

Jarod, you say we shouldn't cut spending during a recession but look how many people, especially on the left, are calling for us to cut military spending. Do you think we won't lose a ton of jobs if we make those cuts?

1) I never said we should not be cutting spending.
2) I have never been one to be afraid to admit it when I disagree with the left.