The real reason you can't change anyone's mind: David McRaney explains why...

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...we can only change our own minds (and why it's so hard)

If you have ever had an argument with someone about one of the live issues of the day — and you surely have — you will know how difficult it is to change anyone's mind.

Brexiteers and Remainers, Trump supporters and Trump loathers, Corbynistas and normal people . . . the arguments roll on, but no compromise is ever reached. 'We shall have to agree to disagree,' are words that we all find ourselves saying, usually when attempting to debate something with some pig-headed dimwit of the other side. But David McRaney might differ.

This self-styled 'self-delusion expert and psychology nerd' from Mississippi once wrote a book called You Are Not So Smart, which was all about the ways in which we delude ourselves, and here he sets out to discover not just what it takes to influence others, but why we believe things in the first place.

Along the way he meets Charlie Veitch, a 9-11 'truther' who believed that it was all a put-up job planned and executed by villainous Americans. Until one day he simply changed his mind, and was immediately excommunicated by all his fellow conspiracy theorists, who would not listen to anything he said and simply assumed he had been 'got at' by the malefactors.

Veitch had been a rising star in the conspiracy world, who had become friend and collaborator with the American basket-case Alex Jones and our own David Icke, who still believes the world is being run by interdimensional lizard humanoids (the Duke of Edinburgh having been one of them).

He was recruited onto a BBC reality series, Conspiracy Road Trip, in which the comedian Andrew Maxwell would load several extremists onto a bus, take them to people who know better and try to persuade them that they were wrong.

At the end of each show Maxwell would sit down with his road-trippers and see if the facts presented had changed their minds in any way. But they never budged. Nothing could persuade them that what they had already decided, however ridiculous, wasn't true.

For the 9-11 episode of the show, a group of 'truthers' walked the crash sites, met experts in demolition, explosives, air travel and construction, met family members of the victims, met the person who was national operations manager of the Federal Aviation Administration at the time of the attacks and even took flying lessons over New York City.

McRaney talks to several people who changed theirs and suffered exclusion from tight-knit little groups of maniacs and loons

They weren't having any of it. They assumed the people they met were paid actors, that experts were mistaken and that facts weren't facts but suppositions or just lies. But for Veitch, the flight school, the architecture firm, the demolition experts had all chipped away at his certainty and exposed the possibility that he might be wrong. And it was the grieving family members who confirmed it. Back at the hotel he found out that he was the only person who felt this way.

He eventually put up a video on YouTube telling people of his epiphany. The backlash was swift and brutal. Within days one conspiracy theorist was saying a producer friend had told him Veitch had been manipulated by a psychologist who had worked closely with mentalist Derren Brown.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/bo...The-real-reason-hard-change-anyones-mind.html
 
People know what they want.

We don't need anybody to change their minds.

We just need to separate incompatible people. We've "united" states that simply don't belong together.
 
...we can only change our own minds (and why it's so hard)

If you have ever had an argument with someone about one of the live issues of the day — and you surely have — you will know how difficult it is to change anyone's mind.

Brexiteers and Remainers, Trump supporters and Trump loathers, Corbynistas and normal people . . . the arguments roll on, but no compromise is ever reached. 'We shall have to agree to disagree,' are words that we all find ourselves saying, usually when attempting to debate something with some pig-headed dimwit of the other side. But David McRaney might differ.

This self-styled 'self-delusion expert and psychology nerd' from Mississippi once wrote a book called You Are Not So Smart, which was all about the ways in which we delude ourselves, and here he sets out to discover not just what it takes to influence others, but why we believe things in the first place.

Along the way he meets Charlie Veitch, a 9-11 'truther' who believed that it was all a put-up job planned and executed by villainous Americans. Until one day he simply changed his mind, and was immediately excommunicated by all his fellow conspiracy theorists, who would not listen to anything he said and simply assumed he had been 'got at' by the malefactors.

Veitch had been a rising star in the conspiracy world, who had become friend and collaborator with the American basket-case Alex Jones and our own David Icke, who still believes the world is being run by interdimensional lizard humanoids (the Duke of Edinburgh having been one of them).

He was recruited onto a BBC reality series, Conspiracy Road Trip, in which the comedian Andrew Maxwell would load several extremists onto a bus, take them to people who know better and try to persuade them that they were wrong.

At the end of each show Maxwell would sit down with his road-trippers and see if the facts presented had changed their minds in any way. But they never budged. Nothing could persuade them that what they had already decided, however ridiculous, wasn't true.

For the 9-11 episode of the show, a group of 'truthers' walked the crash sites, met experts in demolition, explosives, air travel and construction, met family members of the victims, met the person who was national operations manager of the Federal Aviation Administration at the time of the attacks and even took flying lessons over New York City.

McRaney talks to several people who changed theirs and suffered exclusion from tight-knit little groups of maniacs and loons

They weren't having any of it. They assumed the people they met were paid actors, that experts were mistaken and that facts weren't facts but suppositions or just lies. But for Veitch, the flight school, the architecture firm, the demolition experts had all chipped away at his certainty and exposed the possibility that he might be wrong. And it was the grieving family members who confirmed it. Back at the hotel he found out that he was the only person who felt this way.

He eventually put up a video on YouTube telling people of his epiphany. The backlash was swift and brutal. Within days one conspiracy theorist was saying a producer friend had told him Veitch had been manipulated by a psychologist who had worked closely with mentalist Derren Brown.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/bo...The-real-reason-hard-change-anyones-mind.html

People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.
 
People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.

People who saw four years of Trump's act and then voted for him again are not actually people. They're devolved mutants.
All 74+ million of them should be humanely euthanized, partly for their own good but mostly for the good of actual humans.

Mind you, the "humane euthanasia" part is only because it's the right thing to do.
My preference would be to stack them up, drench them in gasoline, even at five bucks+ a gallon, and set them on fire.
This nation needs a good Fourth of July bonfire.
 
People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.

Mark Twain was a sheer genius, a quote for every occasion.

No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot

it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.
 
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People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.
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People who saw four years of Trump's act and then voted for him again are not actually people. They're devolved mutants.
All 74+ million of them should be humanely euthanized, partly for their own good but mostly for the good of actual humans.

Mind you, the "humane euthanasia" part is only because it's the right thing to do.
My preference would be to stack them up, drench them in gasoline, even at five bucks+ a gallon, and set them on fire.
This nation needs a good Fourth of July bonfire.
Are all liberals wantabe killers are just you.
 
People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.
me 2 on Reagan. Back when the press at least seemed possible fair they made him out to be the rube.
I have no use for either Trump's or Reagan's personalities..
but their policies are spot on and their instincts are as well

Compare to the ever-blaming Biden -hey you kids get off of my lawn approach
 
...we can only change our own minds (and why it's so hard)

If you have ever had an argument with someone about one of the live issues of the day — and you surely have — you will know how difficult it is to change anyone's mind.

Brexiteers and Remainers, Trump supporters and Trump loathers, Corbynistas and normal people . . . the arguments roll on, but no compromise is ever reached. 'We shall have to agree to disagree,' are words that we all find ourselves saying, usually when attempting to debate something with some pig-headed dimwit of the other side. But David McRaney might differ.

This self-styled 'self-delusion expert and psychology nerd' from Mississippi once wrote a book called You Are Not So Smart, which was all about the ways in which we delude ourselves, and here he sets out to discover not just what it takes to influence others, but why we believe things in the first place.

Along the way he meets Charlie Veitch, a 9-11 'truther' who believed that it was all a put-up job planned and executed by villainous Americans. Until one day he simply changed his mind, and was immediately excommunicated by all his fellow conspiracy theorists, who would not listen to anything he said and simply assumed he had been 'got at' by the malefactors.

Veitch had been a rising star in the conspiracy world, who had become friend and collaborator with the American basket-case Alex Jones and our own David Icke, who still believes the world is being run by interdimensional lizard humanoids (the Duke of Edinburgh having been one of them).

He was recruited onto a BBC reality series, Conspiracy Road Trip, in which the comedian Andrew Maxwell would load several extremists onto a bus, take them to people who know better and try to persuade them that they were wrong.

At the end of each show Maxwell would sit down with his road-trippers and see if the facts presented had changed their minds in any way. But they never budged. Nothing could persuade them that what they had already decided, however ridiculous, wasn't true.

For the 9-11 episode of the show, a group of 'truthers' walked the crash sites, met experts in demolition, explosives, air travel and construction, met family members of the victims, met the person who was national operations manager of the Federal Aviation Administration at the time of the attacks and even took flying lessons over New York City.

McRaney talks to several people who changed theirs and suffered exclusion from tight-knit little groups of maniacs and loons

They weren't having any of it. They assumed the people they met were paid actors, that experts were mistaken and that facts weren't facts but suppositions or just lies. But for Veitch, the flight school, the architecture firm, the demolition experts had all chipped away at his certainty and exposed the possibility that he might be wrong. And it was the grieving family members who confirmed it. Back at the hotel he found out that he was the only person who felt this way.

He eventually put up a video on YouTube telling people of his epiphany. The backlash was swift and brutal. Within days one conspiracy theorist was saying a producer friend had told him Veitch had been manipulated by a psychologist who had worked closely with mentalist Derren Brown.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/bo...The-real-reason-hard-change-anyones-mind.html

The problem with this is that the whole point is to discredit specific viewpoints. What you described was not a search for the truth, it was a pig party.
 
People who saw four years of Trump's act and then voted for him again are not actually people. They're devolved mutants.
All 74+ million of them should be humanely euthanized, partly for their own good but mostly for the good of actual humans.

Mind you, the "humane euthanasia" part is only because it's the right thing to do.
My preference would be to stack them up, drench them in gasoline, even at five bucks+ a gallon, and set them on fire.
This nation needs a good Fourth of July bonfire.

You Democrats having been saying the same thing about Blacks since the party was invented, "they're not human". And for the last half century, Dems have been claiming unborn children "are not human".
 
me 2 on Reagan. Back when the press at least seemed possible fair they made him out to be the rube.
I have no use for either Trump's or Reagan's personalities..
but their policies are spot on and their instincts are as well

Compare to the ever-blaming Biden -hey you kids get off of my lawn approach

I myself ended up liking Reagan and could relate to his "ranch" in Santa Barbara were he enjoyed clearing brush with a chainsaw. One of my joys in life is doing similar work on my land. Trumps NYC gold plated lifestyle never impressed me but his policies were near perfect.
 
Always interesting when you see a Republican say they didn’t like Trump personally but liked his policies and agenda. Trump had no policies or agenda

You always hear deregulation, error, what Trump deregulated were largely those laws that protected average Americans, ie, he weaken fiduciary rules, limited class actions lawsuits, reduced consumer protections, etc.. The generalization is that he deregulated to take the handcuffs off of businesses to compete, which in reality, is just a generalization

Another is China, he dealt with China, he dealt with China so well that during his reign China not only strengthened its ties to other Far East nations but also vastly increase their presence and influence across the globe. And hard to find anything Trump did with North Korea that doesn’t border on an embarrassment

The economy? Trump inherited an economy on the rise, all he did was not blow it, economic indicators during his term weren’t that far removed from those of most Presidents, they weren’t “tremendous” nor “biggest in history”

Everyone knows Trump’s history with Covid

And at the same time Trump broke just about every GOP principle established since Reagan, he straight out lied to the American public at an Olympic record breaking rate, and, even though they won’t admitted, pissed on the Constitution in his effort to to overthrow the will of the American people

So when I see the “I didn’t like Trump but approved of his policies” I can only view that as some guilt ridding rationale to cover the fact that they loved Trump, and loved him because he pretended to hate all the same people and things that they hated
 
...we can only change our own minds (and why it's so hard)

If you have ever had an argument with someone about one of the live issues of the day — and you surely have — you will know how difficult it is to change anyone's mind.

Why are you trying to change someone's mind. Rather arrogant.
 
Always interesting when you see a Republican say they didn’t like Trump personally but liked his policies and agenda. Trump had no policies or agenda

You always hear deregulation, error, what Trump deregulated were largely those laws that protected average Americans, ie, he weaken fiduciary rules, limited class actions lawsuits, reduced consumer protections, etc.. The generalization is that he deregulated to take the handcuffs off of businesses to compete, which in reality, is just a generalization

Another is China, he dealt with China, he dealt with China so well that during his reign China not only strengthened its ties to other Far East nations but also vastly increase their presence and influence across the globe. And hard to find anything Trump did with North Korea that doesn’t border on an embarrassment

The economy? Trump inherited an economy on the rise, all he did was not blow it, economic indicators during his term weren’t that far removed from those of most Presidents, they weren’t “tremendous” nor “biggest in history”

Everyone knows Trump’s history with Covid

And at the same time Trump broke just about every GOP principle established since Reagan, he straight out lied to the American public at an Olympic record breaking rate, and, even though they won’t admitted, pissed on the Constitution in his effort to to overthrow the will of the American people

So when I see the “I didn’t like Trump but approved of his policies” I can only view that as some guilt ridding rationale to cover the fact that they loved Trump, and loved him because he pretended to hate all the same people and things that they hated

^ TRUTH. :hand::hand::hand::hand:
 
I myself ended up liking Reagan and could relate to his "ranch" in Santa Barbara were he enjoyed clearing brush with a chainsaw. One of my joys in life is doing similar work on my land. Trumps NYC gold plated lifestyle never impressed me but his policies were near perfect.

So, you are a fascist.
 
People change their own minds. I was one of those dumb ass liberals who said if Reagan was elected I'd leave the country. By the end of his first term I'd seen the light and was his biggest supporter. Kind of the same thing with Trump. I didn't take him seriously in the primaries but voted for him when he became the official candidate because I detested Hillary's politics and persona. Didn't take long until I changed my mind on Trump as his policies were implemented and his agenda made clear. I quickly became a Trump supporter based on that although his personality always made me cringe.

In other words you are a reckless immoral Bastard that don't care about what is right or wrong anymore if you ever did- you don't care about the consequences of your of your prejudices, wants, and desires, as long as you get your way- your have no respect for the law- you have no respect for the truth- you are anti-democratic- you hate democracy- and you are a racist misogynist.

THANKS FOR YOUR CONFESSION!
 
In other words you are a reckless immoral Bastard that don't care about what is right or wrong anymore if you ever did- you don't care about the consequences of your of your prejudices, wants, and desires, as long as you get your way- your have no respect for the law- you have no respect for the truth- you are anti-democratic- you hate democracy- and you are a racist misogynist.

THANKS FOR YOUR CONFESSION!

Trump supporters are fascists.
 
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