The Power Broker - Robert Moses

Guno צְבִי said:
Yep, 7 daily news papers some with both morning and afternoon additions, in the 50's mail delivered twice daily and we had 7 TV stations

Free community centers for after school staffed by teachers with arts and crafts like pottery and pool tables .
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Let me ask you this, Caro talked a lot about the major traffic issues in the city.

Moses would build a new bridge or freeway and traffic would basically only get worse. And they just said it was a miserable part of the experience of living there or in Long Island.

And planners saw there was going to be a need for buses rail and subway but Moses kept on just building freeways.

Do you recall traffic being horrible?
 
cawacko said:
Let me ask you this, Caro talked a lot about the major traffic issues in the city.

Moses would build a new bridge or freeway and traffic would basically only get worse. And they just said it was a miserable part of the experience of living there or in Long Island.

And planners saw there was going to be a need for buses rail and subway but Moses kept on just building freeways.

Do you recall traffic being horrible?
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Not so much on long island up until the late 70's , city driving was nuts, but you had busses and subways, in the late 70' early 80's it took me an 1 1/2 to get home 30 miles with the weekend traffic on LI, people who worked in the city took the LIRR everyday
 
Guno צְבִי said:
Not so much on long island up until the late 70's , city driving was nuts, but you had busses and subways, in the late 70' early 80's it took me an 1 1/2 to get home 30 miles with the weekend traffic on LI, people who worked in the city took the LIRR everyday
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The way Caro described it, at least in the '50's, the LIRR was miserable to ride because the lack of funds prevented them from doing upkeep of the seats etc. People rode it because they had to, but it didn't come across as a pleasant experience.

Was it better in the '70's?
 
cawacko said:
The way Caro described it, at least in the '50's, the LIRR was miserable to ride because the lack of funds prevented them from doing upkeep of the seats etc. People rode it because they had to, but it didn't come across as a pleasant experience.

Was it better in the '70's?
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Yes in rockaway where i grew up the City bought the LIRR rockaway line and ran the subway elevated line, The LIRR by the 70's, with the infusion of cash and being spun off from the pennsylvania RR and combined with the newly formed MTA became a first class RR
 
Another question for you Guno. Caro talked about neighborhoods undergoing change and briefly touched on the Ocean Hill - Brownsville teachers strike and how that brought tension between the black and Jewish community, which to my understanding lasted a number of years.

Jews and black people tend to lean liberal/progressive politically, so there is an alignment there. A number of Jews were active in the civil rights movement. On the surface being allies makes sense, yet there was also this tension.

Did you sense or experience any of that?
 
Last one for you Guno (sorry, after reading this book I can't get it off the brain).

Do you remember much about Nelson Rockefeller?

It sounds like he was the one who finally brought down Moses. Moses had so much power that when mayors, or even governors, tried to challenge him he would threaten to resign. Because he was looked upon so highly by the public no mayor wanted that to happen on his watch, so they usually acquiesced to his wishes.

But Rockefeller, because he had the power and resources behind him, accepted Moses’ resignation when he tried that tactic on him. Moses was stuck after that and never regained his power.

Do you recall that playing out at all?
 
cawacko said:
Last one for you Guno (sorry, after reading this book I can't get it off the brain).

Do you remember much about Nelson Rockefeller?

It sounds like he was the one who finally brought down Moses. Moses had so much power that when mayors, or even governors, tried to challenge him he would threaten to resign. Because he was looked upon so highly by the public no mayor wanted that to happen on his watch, so they usually acquiesced to his wishes.

But Rockefeller, because he had the power and resources behind him, accepted Moses’ resignation when he tried that tactic on him. Moses was stuck after that and never regained his power.

Do you recall that playing out at all?
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cawacko love "job creator" pole.
 
cawacko said:
Another question for you Guno. Caro talked about neighborhoods undergoing change and briefly touched on the Ocean Hill - Brownsville teachers strike and how that brought tension between the black and Jewish community, which to my understanding lasted a number of years.

Jews and black people tend to lean liberal/progressive politically, so there is an alignment there. A number of Jews were active in the civil rights movement. On the surface being allies makes sense, yet there was also this tension.

Did you sense or experience any of that?
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No
 
Sorry Guno, I lied, one more question.

Central Park. I know it's always been the pride of NYC, but it sounds like there were periods in the early 20th century when it wasn't always well maintained.

Caro also described a fight over building parking spaces in Central Park near the restaurant Tavern on the Green that a group of moms protested, and it sounded like that became one of the first real dents in the armor of Moses.

What are your memories of it?
 
cawacko said:
Another question for you Guno. Caro talked about neighborhoods undergoing change and briefly touched on the Ocean Hill - Brownsville teachers strike and how that brought tension between the black and Jewish community, which to my understanding lasted a number of years.

Jews and black people tend to lean liberal/progressive politically, so there is an alignment there. A number of Jews were active in the civil rights movement. On the surface being allies makes sense, yet there was also this tension.

Did you sense or experience any of that?
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Jew hate the goyims, so they encourage black to wise up and kill whitey.

that's all.

in truth no population has been more destroyed by Jew eugenics abortions than black.
 
cawacko said:
Last one for you Guno (sorry, after reading this book I can't get it off the brain).

Do you remember much about Nelson Rockefeller?

It sounds like he was the one who finally brought down Moses. Moses had so much power that when mayors, or even governors, tried to challenge him he would threaten to resign. Because he was looked upon so highly by the public no mayor wanted that to happen on his watch, so they usually acquiesced to his wishes.

But Rockefeller, because he had the power and resources behind him, accepted Moses’ resignation when he tried that tactic on him. Moses was stuck after that and never regained his power.

Do you recall that playing out at all?
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Rockefeller's Involvement in Eugenics​

The Rockefeller family played a significant role in the eugenics movement during the early 20th century. Their foundations, particularly the Rockefeller Foundation, provided substantial funding to various eugenics initiatives.

Key Contributions​

  • Financial Support: The Rockefeller Foundation was instrumental in financing eugenics research and programs. This included funding for the German eugenics program, which later influenced Nazi policies.
  • Population Control Initiatives: John Rockefeller III founded the Population Council in 1952, which aimed to address global population growth. This organization was linked to eugenics, as its first president was a member of the American Eugenics Society.

Notable Figures​

  • Margaret Sanger: A prominent advocate for birth control, Sanger was associated with eugenics and received support from Rockefeller-related entities. Her work in reproductive health was influenced by eugenic ideas.
  • Frederick Osborn: As the first president of the Population Council, Osborn was a founding member of the American Eugenics Society, highlighting the direct connection between eugenics and population control efforts.

Legacy and Controversy​

The legacy of the Rockefellers in eugenics has led to ongoing discussions about the ethical implications of their philanthropic efforts. Many modern foundations are now reassessing their historical ties to eugenics and its impact on public policy and social issues.
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Monad Portal said:
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Yes, the Rockefeller family, particularly John D. Rockefeller and his descendants, were known supporters of the eugenics movement in the early 20th century, providing funding and resources to promote its ideas. This involvement has been a subject of scrutiny and reflection in recent years as organizations like the Rockefeller Foundation confront their historical ties to eugenics.

philanthropyroundtable.org Wikipedia

Rockefeller's Involvement in Eugenics​

The Rockefeller family played a significant role in the eugenics movement during the early 20th century. Their foundations, particularly the Rockefeller Foundation, provided substantial funding to various eugenics initiatives.

Key Contributions​

  • Financial Support: The Rockefeller Foundation was instrumental in financing eugenics research and programs. This included funding for the German eugenics program, which later influenced Nazi policies.
  • Population Control Initiatives: John Rockefeller III founded the Population Council in 1952, which aimed to address global population growth. This organization was linked to eugenics, as its first president was a member of the American Eugenics Society.

Notable Figures​

  • Margaret Sanger: A prominent advocate for birth control, Sanger was associated with eugenics and received support from Rockefeller-related entities. Her work in reproductive health was influenced by eugenic ideas.
  • Frederick Osborn: As the first president of the Population Council, Osborn was a founding member of the American Eugenics Society, highlighting the direct connection between eugenics and population control efforts.

Legacy and Controversy​

The legacy of the Rockefellers in eugenics has led to ongoing discussions about the ethical implications of their philanthropic efforts. Many modern foundations are now reassessing their historical ties to eugenics and its impact on public policy and social issues.
philanthropyroundtable.org harvard-yenching.org

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What were the key beliefs of the eugenics movement supported by the Rockefeller family?

How did the Rockefeller Foundation address its historical ties to eugenics?

What criticisms have been raised about the Rockefeller family's involvement in eugenics?
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Moses built his power through the authorities he controlled. The key was the bond financing. (Even when the City didn't have money, Moses did.)

Nelson Rockefeller obviously had tremendous wealth as well as a big political backing. Rockefeller was the first person who didn't fear Moses politically and was willing to change the authorities that Moses ran. That's how Moses lost his power after decades of control.

David Rockefeller gets mentioned because he ran Chase Manhattan Bank, which showed the kind of financial power the Rockefeller's had.

It's a fascinating read and insight into power.
 
cawacko said:
Moses built his power through the authorities he controlled. The key was the bond financing. (Even when the City didn't have money, Moses did.)

Nelson Rockefeller obviously had tremendous wealth as well as a big political backing. Rockefeller was the first person who didn't fear Moses politically and was willing to change the authorities that Moses ran. That's how Moses lost his power after decades of control.

David Rockefeller gets mentioned because he ran Chase Manhattan Bank, which showed the kind of financial power the Rockefeller's had.

It's a fascinating read and insight into power.
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my insight into power is most prescient.

they're all Nazis.
 
cawacko said:
Sorry Guno, I lied, one more question.

Central Park. I know it's always been the pride of NYC, but it sounds like there were periods in the early 20th century when it wasn't always well maintained.

Caro also described a fight over building parking spaces in Central Park near the restaurant Tavern on the Green that a group of moms protested, and it sounded like that became one of the first real dents in the armor of Moses.

What are your memories of it?
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