The Nation Is Divided Into Two Camps: Trump and Anti-Trump

domer76 said:
I saw an interesting thing on Facebook the other day. It was in timeline form that made it much more powerful

1624-1865 - 241 years of slavery
1865-1964 - 99 years of Jim Crow and segregation
1964-today -52 years of "freedom"
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That's correct my friend.

We've been in this country almost 400 years .. and have only been relatively[/] for 52 years.

I bet more than half this board has been alive longer than African-Americans have been relatively free in a country we've been in almost 400 years.

... AND after almost 400 years, an overtly racist has been elected president, bringing the Klan to the White House with him.

That says everything that need be said about race in America.
 
blackascoal said:
That's correct my friend.

We've been in this country almost 400 years .. and have only been relatively[/] for 52 years.

I bet more than half this board has been alive longer than African-Americans have been relatively free in a country we've been in almost 400 years.

... AND after almost 400 years, an overtly racist has been elected president, bringing the Klan to the White House with him.

That says everything that need be said about race in America.
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I lived in the northwest and never saw that shit first hand. And too young to really pay attention to the news.
 
evince said:
there is NO LOGICAL reason to shrink government


its all a meme to give the wealthy MORE POWER
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There is every reason to bring the government back to its constitutional limitations. We are a police state now. That does not look to get any better under Trump. Also, taking money from the middle class and throwing it problems for the most part has failed. Our schools are failing and more money is not the answer. The Khan Acadamy does a much better job at educating children than the public school system and it is FREE. If they can provide a world class education for free then so can the states. It is time to let the states in this country experiment with areas the federal government has failed in. Marijuana legalization is a prime example (though I don't like the fact that people are still forbidden from growing their own). Big government has failed. Big government, depending on who is in charge thinks they have the right to tell me who I can marry/sleep with. What I can do with my money. Limit my ability to defend myself. Interfere in reproduction. The list goes on and on and whether the government is under Republican or Democratic control, monied interests are in charge. Since the 60's the federal government has gotten bigger, more intrusive and hampers productivity. Time to let the small goverment parties have their day to rise or fall.
 
domer76 said:
I lived in the northwest and never saw that shit first hand. And too young to really pay attention to the news.
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I live in the northwest, too.

The fact of the matter is that we don't advertise what went on here.

States like Oregon welcomed the KKK and had a long history of being total racists.

Read up on the "Oregon Black Exclusion Laws".

The state solution was to claim they weren't a slave state, but to drive blacks from the state!!

And, yes, you probably won't here about that in k-12 education.
 
blackascoal said:
There is no such thing.

America is a DEEPLY divided nation.
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the u s of a was deeply divided before trump into various x-american subgroups. however, the division between trump and anti-trump is huge. while about 2.9 mln more voters voted for hilary than voted for trump. additionally, there are those that did not vote for either hilary or trump.

also, the fact that trump is using twitter to make his wishes known is very unsettling. i wonder if he will govern by twitter when he is president? this will insulate him from the real world and we already know that he does not think well before posting.
 
blackascoal said:
They didn't die for us. They died trying to save or further pull apart a divided nation.

There were more than 4 million Africans brutally enslaved in a vile and violent nation .. and you're looking for a thank you. :0)

An American history class or two might help.
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Well that's a fascinating bit of revisionism right there, I was constantly told on here that Lincoln prosecuted the war primarily to achieve black emancipation.

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Milagro said:
Well that's a fascinating bit of revisionism right there, I was constantly told on here that Lincoln prosecuted the war primarily to achieve black emancipation.

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Dude, run out and take an American history class before you grace us with your ignorance of it.

Slavery and the Civil War: Not What You Think

Yes, slavery was of course the central point of contention, but as an example of state sovereignty versus federal authority. The war was fought over state’s rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states. The perceived threat to state autonomy became an existential one through the specific dispute over slavery. The issue was not slavery per se, but who decided whether slavery was acceptable, local institutions or a distant central government power. That distinction is not one of semantics: this question of local or federal control to permit or prohibit slavery as the country expanded west became increasingly acute in new states, eventually leading to that fateful artillery volley at Fort Sumter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/slavery-and-the-civil-war_b_849066.html

You're a colonized Brit. They could tell you anything.
 
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blackascoal said:
Dude, run out and take an American history class before you grace us with your ignorance of it.

Slavery and the Civil War: Not What You Think

Yes, slavery was of course the central point of contention, but as an example of state sovereignty versus federal authority. The war was fought over state’s rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states. The perceived threat to state autonomy became an existential one through the specific dispute over slavery. The issue was not slavery per se, but who decided whether slavery was acceptable, local institutions or a distant central government power. That distinction is not one of semantics: this question of local or federal control to permit or prohibit slavery as the country expanded west became increasingly acute in new states, eventually leading to that fateful artillery volley at Fort Sumter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/slavery-and-the-civil-war_b_849066.html

You're a colonized Brit. They could tell you anything.
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I suggest you take it up with Mott and Threedee.

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blackascoal said:
Dude, run out and take an American history class before you grace us with your ignorance of it.

Slavery and the Civil War: Not What You Think

Yes, slavery was of course the central point of contention, but as an example of state sovereignty versus federal authority. The war was fought over state’s rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states. The perceived threat to state autonomy became an existential one through the specific dispute over slavery. The issue was not slavery per se, but who decided whether slavery was acceptable, local institutions or a distant central government power. That distinction is not one of semantics: this question of local or federal control to permit or prohibit slavery as the country expanded west became increasingly acute in new states, eventually leading to that fateful artillery volley at Fort Sumter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/slavery-and-the-civil-war_b_849066.html

You're a colonized Brit. They could tell you anything.
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You seem to believe in any number of shibboleths that need revising and updating.

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Milagro said:
Well that's a fascinating bit of revisionism right there, I was constantly told on here that Lincoln prosecuted the war primarily to achieve black emancipation.

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You were told wrong. Try educating yourself.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
 
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blackascoal said:
Dude, run out and take an American history class before you grace us with your ignorance of it.

Slavery and the Civil War: Not What You Think

Yes, slavery was of course the central point of contention, but as an example of state sovereignty versus federal authority. The war was fought over state’s rights and the limits of federal power in a union of states. The perceived threat to state autonomy became an existential one through the specific dispute over slavery. The issue was not slavery per se, but who decided whether slavery was acceptable, local institutions or a distant central government power. That distinction is not one of semantics: this question of local or federal control to permit or prohibit slavery as the country expanded west became increasingly acute in new states, eventually leading to that fateful artillery volley at Fort Sumter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/slavery-and-the-civil-war_b_849066.html

You're a colonized Brit. They could tell you anything.
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Milagro: don't let Black Coal feller's anti-American Marxist revisionist views cloud yer correct historical judgement: the 'Civil' war or the war between the states was most definitely about one issue: the massive stain of slavery on this great Country.

Ya see the institution of slavery was a direct contradiction to the Declaration of Independence, and the Founders had to stand on their heads to keep the Southern States in the union of the original 13 with contradictory language in the Constitution tip toeing around the primary issue of slavery.

By 1860 the divide over slavery was too great to reform with just a revision of foundational documents that could not be agreed to, so war broke out.

Marxists, and anti-American Leftist termites love to stress theoretical matters like the Federalism within the Constitution which did in fact break down due to one and only one issue: slavery.

The 620,000 or 850,000 lives lost were due to one issue: slavery.

The dim wit Democrat party of slavery, did it's very best to keep Black Americans down by institutionalizing jim crow using 'state's rights' part of Federalism, (the dim wit Democrat party has always worked against America's interests).

Race issues are now used by the same dim wit Democrat party to divide America, as Obamaprompter and his Administration has done.

Hopefully the Dumpster can help us heal and move forward once Obamaprompter hits the road.

He, (Obamaprompter), said he plans to stay involved so count on his divisive conduct to continue after he leaves office, butt: he and his dim wit Democrat political party have lost a lot of power.

Me overpriced, (butt: historically accurate) $0.02. burp...
 
OldMercsRule said:
Milagro: don't let Black Coal feller's anti-American Marxist revisionist views cloud yer correct historical judgement: the 'Civil' war or the war between the states was most definitely about one issue: the massive stain of slavery on this great Country.

Ya see the institution of slavery was a direct contradiction to the Declaration of Independence, and the Founders had to stand on their heads to keep the Southern States in the union of the original 13 with contradictory language in the Constitution tip toeing around the primary issue of slavery.

By 1860 the divide over slavery was too great to reform with just a revision of foundational documents that could not be agreed to, so war broke out.

Marxists, and anti-American Leftist termites love to stress theoretical matters like the Federalism within the Constitution which did in fact break down due to one and only one issue: slavery.

The 620,000 or 850,000 lives lost were due to one issue: slavery.

The dim wit Democrat party of slavery, did it's very best to keep Black Americans down by institutionalizing jim crow using 'state's rights' part of Federalism, (the dim wit Democrat party has always worked against America's interests).

Race issues are now used by the same dim wit Democrat party to divide America, as Obamaprompter and his Administration has done.

Hopefully the Dumpster can help us heal and move forward once Obamaprompter hits the road.

He, (Obamaprompter), said he plans to stay involved so count on his divisive conduct to continue after he leaves office, butt: he and his dim wit Democrat political party have lost a lot of power.

Me overpriced, (butt: historically accurate) $0.02. burp...
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Stupid .. and completely incapable of addressing the issue.
 
blackascoal said:
Amazing arrogance.

You're trying to tell me my own history, then when proven wrong .. I'm being condescending.

Must be a British thing.
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I am telling you that a fuckton of Union soldiers died to liberate and emancipate slaves whether you acknowledge that fact or not is immaterial. I have little time for cultural Marxism, it is a pernicious doctrine that has permeated far too many disciplines including history in particular and the Left in general.

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