The Long-Term Consequences Of Russia Hysteria (Young Turks)

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constantly receive complaints from readers and viewers that I’m inordinately fixated on Democrats’ Russia mania; that I should focus on other issues, and that I’m blowing the perverse impact of all this out of proportion. Let’s just recap some events of the past week:
•At a town-hall meeting in Northern California where the organized “Resistance” movement had a visible, raucous presence, the Number 1 issue being discussed was Russia. It was the issue that attendees were clearly most exercised about, it was the issue that they were most often waving placards related to, and it was the issue that they most stridently demanded accountability from their elected representative on. It fell to Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA), whom I subsequently interviewed, to decry what he termed the “hysteria” gripping his liberal-leaning constituents.
•During a Senate hearing on a wholly unrelated topic, the confirmation of the next Deputy Attorney General, Democrats on the committee spent the majority of their time ranting about Russia rather than questioning the prospective Deputy AG (a very powerful position) as to his views on policy which may shape how the Justice Department is run. It fell to the committee’s conservatives, such as Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), to ask substantively about policy issues (Lee extracted a commitment from the nominee, Rod Rosenstein, that he would seek to defer to localities on civil forfeiture law — on the other hand, Democrats mostly repeated themselves, raving over and over again about Russian “interference” and adding nothing remotely new.) It is not an exaggeration to say that every single Democrat on the committee (plus Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), naturally) spent an overwhelming portion of their limited time on Russia. Some members, such as Sen. Pat Leahy (D-VT), spent virtually all their time on Russia.
•The moment WikiLeaks released a huge trove of CIA documents— reputed to be the most significant leak in the agency’s history, and perhaps surpassing the Snowden revelations in ultimate import — the most prominent liberal pundits and politicians leaped to defend the CIA and attack WikiLeaks rather than call attention to what had actually been unveiled: massive privacy breaches of the kind that would’ve been the stuff of fever dreams in years past.

The reason for these attacks is that they’re thought to inflict short-term political damage on Trump, which is the monomaniacal focus of much of the media and political class — whatever other damage their conspiracy theorizing might wreak is immaterial, per this line of thinking. (By the way, although it pains me to write this, David Frum really could now be categorized as a preeminent member of the liberal punditocracy: he’s one of the leading personalities at The Atlantic, and was even quoted aloud by Rep. Susan Davis (D-CA) at a recent town hall meeting, to raucous applause.)

With no evidence at all, it was speculated that the leaks were “timed” with the specific intention of helping Trump, because now suddenly the paradigm has become Trump = Russia = WikiLeaks. Untold millions of people (mostly Democrats) won’t believe in the veracity of these CIA revelations because they were furnished by WikiLeaks, and WikiLeaks brought Trump to power with help from Russia. Or something.
•MSNBC hosts continue to lead their TV shows with overwrought, BREAKING NEWS about Russia, instilling in their viewership the notion that this is the most acutely important issue facing the country.

*MSNBC viewers and Democratic stalwarts have repeated to me over and over again that so long as the “Trump/Russia connection” matter remains unresolved, no real legislative or policy work can be done.

•A poll was released by CNN which shows that more Americans view Russia as a “very serious threat” than at any time since 1983, and the surge is fueled by liberals and Democrats

•Democrats of some renown continue to demonstrate that they’re completely uninterested in adhering to even the most basic evidentiary standards when rattling off claims involving Trump/Russia. Then of course, the very same Democrats turn around and condemn Trump for making wild, unsubstantiated claims, forfeiting all credibility in the process.

•At a House hearing devoted to — wait for it — Russia, it fell to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) to chastise his colleagues for engaging in alarmism and conspiracy-tinged hyperventilating.

That’s all in just the past week. Who, exactly, is “fixated” here?

A recurring trope in Democratic circles is that the furor being stoked around Russia need not have any repercussions beyond the short-term aim of weakening Trump. Put another way, according to these brilliant tacticians, it’s possible to foment a Russia frenzy and successfully undermine Trump without doing any kind of long-term damage to the polity. Fueling conspiratorial anti-Russia sentiment is simply a convenient means of attaining leverage; it won’t have any lasting consequences beyond the narrow goal of hamstringing Trump.

This is incredibly naive for a variety of reasons.

The proliferation of headlines like this have sown a climate of paranoia in which it is increasingly difficult to conduct actual politics:

The Russia stuff is far more ubiquitous now because it’s not contained to the fringes of one hysterical party: it’s embraced wholly by huge segments of the political media, the entertainment industry, the Democratic Party, and some portions of the Republican Party.

Recent polling shows that the media is extraordinarily unpopular — about as unpopular as the Democrats.
Can you really blame average folks for expressing such a sentiment? Constantly they are being inundated with blaring RUSSIA!!! stories that reliably end up falling apart after even the most cursory inspection.
What liberal scolds fail to realize is that the never-ending chorus of lazy Trump/Russia mania doesn’t actually undermine Trump: it’s just preaching to the already-incensed choir.
It fortifies Trump’s critique of the media as incorrigibly and hysterically antagonistic toward him, and it funnels legitimate energy into a rabbit hole of stupidity.
The only person who profits from this is Trump. Matt Taibbi has noted that popular culture is becoming suffuse with easy, knee-jerk references to the supposed “bromance” enjoyed by Trump and Putin, even though there has never been anything remotely approaching convincing evidence for the validity of the charge. The mania is entrenched, and ever rooting it out now seems impossible.
https://medium.com/theyoungturks/a-...es-of-russia-hysteria-413929f4fbcc#.b2bmpnpa7
 
IGNORANT TRAITOUROUS BULLSHIT.

CNN/ORC poll: Most back special prosecutor for Russia investigation

About two-thirds of Americans say a special prosecutor should investigate contacts between Russians and Trump campaign associates, according to a new CNN/ORC poll, and 55% say they are at least somewhat concerned by reports that some connected to the Trump campaign had contact with suspected Russian operatives.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/politics/trump-approval-rating-russia-poll/

Public Concern Over Russia Hits Highest Level Since The Cold War
Most Americans are also disturbed by the allegations linking Russia to the Trump campaign.

Thirty-four percent of Americans now say Russia is a very serious threat, while 41 percent say it’s a moderately serious threat.

While this shift is driven mostly by Democrats’*concerns, Republicans and independents are not optimistic about Russia either. The majority of Democrats ― 51 percent ―*say that country is a very serious threat. The majority of Republicans ― 53 percent ―*think it’s a moderately serious one. Overall, 85 percent of Democrats, 77 percent of Republicans and 68 percent of independents see Russia as threatening to at least some degree.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-threat-trump-poll_us_58bd75eae4b0d2821b4f728c

So much for your partisan ass-licking bullshit that only democrats are concerned about Russia.

If there is nothing to hide, have an independent special prosecutor investigate this free of Trump interference and oversight.

Oh no, can't do that.

WHY?
 
Crossing partisan lines: More Democrats, Republicans want a special investigation into Russia-Trump ties
Republicans have seen a shift in their attitudes towards Trump and his Russia dealings
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/06/cro...special-investigation-into-russia-trump-ties/

Poll: 65% want special prosecutor on Russia investigation
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017...ecutor-on-Russia-investigation/3491488804981/

Senate Republicans want to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia
https://news.vice.com/story/senate-republicans-suddenly-want-to-investigate-trumps-ties-to-russia
 
All this concern over Russia yet nary a peep from the lefties when Hillary helped turn over Uranium One.

Sorry if I am not feeling your newfound outrage and fear over the russkies
 
Recent polling shows that the media is extraordinarily unpopular — about as unpopular as the Democrats.

Can you really blame average folks for expressing such a sentiment? Constantly they are being inundated with blaring RUSSIA!!! stories that reliably end up falling apart after even the most cursory inspection.

What liberal scolds fail to realize is that the never-ending chorus of lazy Trump/Russia mania doesn’t actually undermine Trump: it’s just preaching to the already-incensed choir.
It fortifies Trump’s critique of the media as incorrigibly and hysterically antagonistic toward him, and it funnels legitimate energy into a rabbit hole of stupidity.

Run, rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down it's time to dig another one
-Pink Floyd -"Breathe"

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keep it up. keep marginalizing yourselves, .. !!!RUSSIA!!! did it
 
Run, rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down it's time to dig another one
-Pink Floyd -"Breathe"

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keep it up. keep marginalizing yourselves, .. !!!RUSSIA!!! did it

Keep it up we will .. without the approval of a partisan ass-licker. :0)
 
Keep it up we will .. without the approval of a partisan ass-licker. :0)
ROFL @ a DEMOCRAT like yourself who voted for a corrupted warmongering big donor driven serial liar.

So much for your cries of innocence "I am not a Democrat!".. you're a dumb ass blind partisan, BAC..
you can fool yourself, but your behavior is manifest.
 
Run, rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down it's time to dig another one
-Pink Floyd -"Breathe"

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keep it up. keep marginalizing yourselves, .. !!!RUSSIA!!! did it

The Russian hysteria from the pinheads is wearing thin.....Trump derangement is becoming an embarrassment even for the Democrats....
 
The Russian hysteria from the pinheads is wearing thin.....Trump derangement is becoming an embarrassment even for the Democrats....
I love it..
all the shit they threw @ Putin and derailed a real Russian reset in favor of upping more Cold War -
aligning with McCain no less.
They've hurt the chance for peace (detente)and fueled the military industrial complex at the same time..
for nothing but politics.

They've dug a hole and they can't stop digging *silly rabbits*
 
:rofl2:

'There's a lot more shoes to drop from this centipede': McCain predicts further revelations about Trump's ties to Russia

Sen. John McCain predicted Sunday that the public would learn more about the relationship between President Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government.

In an interview on CNN's "State of the Union," the Arizona Republican said there were*"a lot of things about our relations with Russia that trouble me a lot."

He cited*the removal of a provision*in the 2016 Republican party platform that supported sending lethal weapons to Ukraine, a move that was "not the will of most Republicans."

"There's a lot of aspects of this whole relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin that requires further scrutiny. And so far, I don't think the American people have gotten all the answers," McCain said. "I think there's a lot more shoes to drop from this centipede."

McCain also argued for scrutiny of*longtime Trump political adviser Roger Stone, who admitted to having contacts with the hackers who released private emails within the Democratic National Committee last summer.
http//www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-trump-ties-russia-2017-3

Tell us more about "it's only the democrats."

Keep on posting this ignorance .. I'll keep right on pissing on it.
 
All this concern over Russia yet nary a peep from the lefties when Hillary helped turn over Uranium One.

Sorry if I am not feeling your newfound outrage and fear over the russkies

And not a peep when Obama said Russia wasn't a big threat in the 2012 debates with Romney. Or when Obama did virtually nothing over Russian aggression in Syria.

Now all of the sudden they are the party of chicken hawks.
 
^ROFL.. sure sure..keep on quoting McCain -the old warhorse will tilt at Russian windmills until he's dead.
you Democratic running dogs have outdone yourselves on this one....*hilarious*

ask yourself this: would the Russian ambassador COLLUDE w/the Trump campaign over a PLATFORM??
I mean that is dumb and dumber!!

"There's a lot of aspects of this whole relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin that requires further scrutiny. And so far, I don't think the American people have gotten all the answers," McCain said. "I think there's a lot more shoes to drop from this centipede."
^ McCain's wet dreams. his raison d'etre is solely to bash Russia..suck it up..
 
^ROFL.. sure sure..keep on quoting McCain -the old warhorse will tilt at Russian windmills until he's dead.
you Democratic running dogs have outdone yourselves on this one....*hilarious*

ask yourself this: would the Russian ambassador COLLUDE w/the Trump campaign over a PLATFORM??
I mean that is dumb and dumber!!


^ McCain's wet dreams. his raison d'etre is solely to bash Russia..suck it up..

I think McCain will do anything to bash President Trump after the Donald pointed out that McCain's capture is what lead to McCain's fame.
 
No one cares if you have your stupid investigations. The democrats are hoping and praying there is some deep, dark, solid connection that will topple the Trump administration, and the naive RINOs and establishment repubs are hoping that an investigation will shut the democrats up, regardless of the outcome. And no one is calling this what it really is: A caricature of what the lefttards think the right did to obama. That's okay I guess, but lefties should remember what happens when people see a caricature. They laugh
 
All this concern over Russia yet nary a peep from the lefties when Hillary helped turn over Uranium One.

Sorry if I am not feeling your newfound outrage and fear over the russkies

No problemo.

Everyone at JPP understands partisan hacks such as yourself can't possibly be expected to demonstrate any consistency with regards to your "outrage".

:rofl2:
 
And just a few months ago it was the GOP hounding Obama for not recognizing "the Russian threat."

House Intel chair: Obama has 'suddenly awoken' to Russian threat


But Nunes, who last month joined the executive committee of President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, said the Obama administration was "dedicated to delusions of 'resetting' relations with Russia," and "ignored pleas by numerous Intelligence Committee members to take more forceful action against the Kremlin's aggression."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/devin-nunes-russia-cyberattacks-obama-232433
 
And just a few months ago it was the GOP hounding Obama for not recognizing "the Russian threat."

House Intel chair: Obama has 'suddenly awoken' to Russian threat


But Nunes, who last month joined the executive committee of President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, said the Obama administration was "dedicated to delusions of 'resetting' relations with Russia," and "ignored pleas by numerous Intelligence Committee members to take more forceful action against the Kremlin's aggression."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/devin-nunes-russia-cyberattacks-obama-232433
good post.
The Republicans are guilty as hell of calling out Obama for "not being tough enough" -
like Obama was supposed to be blamed for the Russian annexation of Crimea -
or not going into Syria after Obama's "red line"

They are mindless hawks/neocons like McCain..
Going into Syria was ALWAYS a BAD IDEA,and the little bit we did by training up rebels in Jordan and then sending them into Syria was a disaster.
They got their weapons stolen, were kidnapped, or flees to Turkey.
They lost TOW missiles too that are being used by the Islamists to this day.

"Partisanship is a mindf*ck"..it cannot be said enough, it's a mantra that never lies.

There is much to criticize Obama about in his failures with Putin -
but the idea of a "Russian reset" isn't one of them, although it was so poorly done to be ineffective
 
IGNORANT TRAITOUROUS BULLSHIT.

CNN/ORC poll: Most back special prosecutor for Russia investigation

About two-thirds of Americans say a special prosecutor should investigate contacts between Russians and Trump campaign associates, according to a new CNN/ORC poll, and 55% say they are at least somewhat concerned by reports that some connected to the Trump campaign had contact with suspected Russian operatives.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/politics/trump-approval-rating-russia-poll/

Public Concern Over Russia Hits Highest Level Since The Cold War
Most Americans are also disturbed by the allegations linking Russia to the Trump campaign.

Thirty-four percent of Americans now say Russia is a very serious threat, while 41 percent say it’s a moderately serious threat.

While this shift is driven mostly by Democrats’*concerns, Republicans and independents are not optimistic about Russia either. The majority of Democrats ― 51 percent ―*say that country is a very serious threat. The majority of Republicans ― 53 percent ―*think it’s a moderately serious one. Overall, 85 percent of Democrats, 77 percent of Republicans and 68 percent of independents see Russia as threatening to at least some degree.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-threat-trump-poll_us_58bd75eae4b0d2821b4f728c

So much for your partisan ass-licking bullshit that only democrats are concerned about Russia.

If there is nothing to hide, have an independent special prosecutor investigate this free of Trump interference and oversight.

Oh no, can't do that.

WHY?
Again....let's forget about Russia meddling with our elections. That's not even up for debate. Let's even forget that trump has/had Russian operatives working for his campaign. That's also not up for debate.

What is important, is to know what financial interests trump, his family, and his appointees have with Russia, and any other foreign country. We need to fully understand any future policy proposals by this corrupt, conflicted administration.
 
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