The False Argument on Gun Control

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martin

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Elsewhere on this board is this quote on school shootings from Herschel Walker:

“This has been happening for years and the way we stop it is putting money into the mental health field, by putting money into other departments rather than departments that want to take away your rights.”

An eighteen year old has no right to buy a gun. In Texas, he has the freedom to buy one because state law permits it. In Connecticut, he would have been turned away. The Constitution didn't provide an
established personal right for anyone to possess a gun until 2008 when the Heller case finally took up the question and answered it. The answer isn't what Walker thinks it is. The case holds the right is not, repeat not, unlimited. It is subject to reasonable regulations of which the case lists a few examples and the list stated as "not exhaustive." There's little doubt state bans on possession by persons under the age of 21 would meet Heller's test. The ban on persons under 21 buying handguns has long been on the books in Connecticut. Without a permit or "eligibility certificate" issued by the state no one can buy any gun.

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martin said:
An eighteen year old has no right to buy a gun.
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LOL wrong. https://lawandcrime.com/second-amen...long-history-of-giving-young-people-firearms/

A federal appeals court sided with gun-rights activists Wednesday and struck down a California law that would keep firearms out of the hands of young adults under age 21.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that what it called California’s “almost total ban on semiautomatic” rifles for adults under 21 constitutes a “severe burden on the core Second Amendment right of self-defense in the home.”

martin said:
The Constitution didn't provide an established personal right for anyone to possess a gun until 2008 when the Heller case finally took up the question and answered it.
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also wrong. the constitution is not a document that lists out rights for the people. It is a document that lists out powers and RESTRICTIONS placed on the federal government.

There are other things so clearly out of the power of Congress, that the bare recital of them is sufficient, I mean the "...rights of bearing arms for defence, or for killing game..." These things seem to have been inserted among their objections, merely to induce the ignorant to believe that Congress would have a power over such objects and to infer from their being refused a place in the Constitution, their intention to exercise that power to the oppression of the people. —ALEXANDER WHITE (1787)

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right. [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]
 
Oh fuckyou


Americans are tired of your murder children with impunity march



Gun makers make huge money every time we have horrific incidents like this


Then republicans are given pallets of cash by the gun fucks



Democracy isn’t a death pact
 
We're also getting this disgusting attempt to blame the teachers. Yeah, the door should have been locked, an omission those people will live with years longer than the seconds it takes the governor to happily defend Texas's open gun laws.

Question: What country besides ours requires locked up schools to keep the kids from getting slaughtered. Is it none?
 
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martin said:
We're also getting this disgusting attempt to blame the teachers. Yeah, the door should have been locked, on omission those people will live with years longer than the seconds it takes the governor to happily defend Texas's open gun laws.

Question: What country besides ours requires locked up schools to keep the kids from getting slaughtered. Is it none?
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We now consider our nation to literally be at war with each other.
 
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