The death of conservative economics

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/this-is-the-way-the-chicago-school-ends/#comment-277941

This is the way the Chicago School ends

Not with a bang, but with a cackle.
Brad DeLong, Justin Fox, and Paul Kedrosky have already weighed in on the not-available-online John Cassidy piece on Chicago economics.
Like them, I find it really sad. Here’s Eugene Fama, insisting that there was no financial crisis, just markets reacting rationally to an economic crisis caused by brain-eating aliens flouridated water something or other — hey, macro isn’t his department. John Cochrane, on the other hand, says that it’s all because George W. Bush gave a scary speech.
What struck me was the fact that Cochrane is still trying the argument-from-authority thing: this was all proved false in the 1970s, nobody serious believes in it, etc.. At this point he knows (although one wonders whether he did originally) that there’s this thing called New Keynesian economics on which a lot of smart people have been working since the mid-1980s. And yes, the models do allow for effective fiscal policy. But Cochrane is still using the Lucas giggles and whispers line.
It’s hard to avoid the sense that Chicago just turned inward on itself circa 1982, and stopped paying attention either to the world or to anyone not of its tribe. And now it finds that the rest of the world is returning the favor.
 
The central bank was established in 1913, mainly because being virtually the only economic power without a central bang lead other countries to constantly gang rape us. This was not done by Keynesians. No serious school of economics proposes abolishing the central bank or weakening its independence.
 
The central bank was established in 1913, mainly because being virtually the only economic power without a central bang lead other countries to constantly gang rape us. This was not done by Keynesians. No serious school of economics proposes abolishing the central bank or weakening its independence.

I'm not anti-Fed, so you can save your breath. But no one in govt. should have the power to control interest rates, because then we get the retarded recessions as a result of it.
 
The central bank was established in 1913, mainly because being virtually the only economic power without a central bang lead other countries to constantly gang rape us. This was not done by Keynesians. No serious school of economics proposes abolishing the central bank or weakening its independence.

lol. You're too funny.
 
So they should remain at 5% or whatever all the time no matter what?

Actually, the apparent value of interest was around 2.5% while the Fed had them set at 5%, so fixing them at 5% would just cause another recession. The market should determine interest rates, obviously.
 
Actually, the apparent value of interest was around 2.5% while the Fed had them set at 5%, so fixing them at 5% would just cause another recession. The market should determine interest rates, obviously.

So the Fed should have been looser with money during the bubble?
 
Neither of you guys know what the fuck you're even talking about. Sit back and talk about what interest rates should have been, as if there is a magic number that fits every scenario leading up to the recession, and completely disregarding the fact that interest rates were one of many a catalyst for the housing bubble, not because they were set at a certain amount, but rather, that they deflated the cost of monthly payments which inflated the perceived value of expendable money.
 
Neither of you guys know what the fuck you're even talking about. Sit back and talk about what interest rates should have been, as if there is a magic number that fits every scenario leading up to the recession, and completely disregarding the fact that interest rates were one of many a catalyst for the housing bubble, not because they were set at a certain amount, but rather, that they deflated the cost of monthly payments which inflated the perceived value of expendable money.

Well, yeah, that's sort of what I have been trying to say, but admittedly don't understand as well as you do.

Basically, in the case of housing, people were making payments based upon a badly fixed interest rate. Once the rates were adjusted, they discovered they lacked the finances to keep up with the true value of what their payments should have been all along, and many of them defaulted.
 
The central bank was established in 1913, mainly because being virtually the only economic power without a central bang lead other countries to constantly gang rape us. This was not done by Keynesians. No serious school of economics proposes abolishing the central bank or weakening its independence.

The entire discipline of economics is a whore to the military industrial complex and it's totalitarianism.

There is no upside to keynesian economics, unless YOU'RE the one who gets to control the money supply.
 
Neither of you guys know what the fuck you're even talking about. Sit back and talk about what interest rates should have been, as if there is a magic number that fits every scenario leading up to the recession, and completely disregarding the fact that interest rates were one of many a catalyst for the housing bubble, not because they were set at a certain amount, but rather, that they deflated the cost of monthly payments which inflated the perceived value of expendable money.

And Threedee seems to think we should have had more inflation.
 
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Well, yeah, that's sort of what I have been trying to say, but admittedly don't understand as well as you do.

Basically, in the case of housing, people were making payments based upon a badly fixed interest rate. Once the rates were adjusted, they discovered they lacked the finances to keep up with the true value of what their payments should have been all along, and many of them defaulted.

Yeah. Never buy into adjustable rate debt of any sort.

They have this with credit cards too. Someone is perfectly good paying off their debt at 7% interest rates, and then credit card companies go nuts and jack it up to 25% or whatever. This new 25% rate applies to all the old debt that had been accrued at the 7% rate, and forces them into bankruptcy.
 
Yeah. Never buy into adjustable rate debt of any sort.

They have this with credit cards too. Someone is perfectly good paying off their debt at 7% interest rates, and then credit card companies go nuts and jack it up to 25% or whatever. This new 25% rate applies to all the old debt that had been accrued at the 7% rate, and forces them into bankruptcy.

Yeah, two of the most retarded things that people can buy into are adjustable rates and term life insurance.
 
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