The consequences of electing someone like Bush

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I have to say, it bugs me a little that people who voted enthusiastically for Bush for TWO terms no longer want to talk about this disaster. They ridicule sentiments that rightly call out his admin for their mistakes with cries of "Boooooooosh," and "That's the past - it's time to move on. How's that hopey changey thing going?"

Elections DO have consequences, and electing a flunky like Bush unfortunately had severe consequences for the U.S. I was mystified when we elected him for a 1st term, much less a 2nd term. Iraq will take 6 months? Deficit spending doesn't matter? Osama Bin Laden is irrelevant?

We haven't had a more irresponsible, incompetent admin in the modern era. You have to go back to Harding & Coolidge for adequate comparisons.
 
They want to pretend it did not happen... They supported him till his term was up then claimed you could not bring him up anymore because it was ancient history.


BTW Im still happy to have anyone bring Bill Clinton up as much as they want. So was Obama during the campaign... I did not see Bush during the campaign...???
 
History, when it is looked at by a less divided people and less fanatical group of far left academic nutters, will grade Bush as a more than adequate and competent leader...
they will give the proper recognition to the left wing Congress that fucked up the economy and managed to avoid the blame for their actions by media propagandists....
so you're particular take on things is irrelevant......the Bush record is, by far, much better than you will ever admit....just as you are blind to
the incompetence and irresponsible administration of Obama in foreign policy and our domestic economy.....
 
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Thing1 said:
I have to say, it bugs me a little that people who voted enthusiastically for Bush for TWO terms no longer want to talk about this disaster. They ridicule sentiments that rightly call out his admin for their mistakes with cries of "Boooooooosh," and "That's the past - it's time to move on. How's that hopey changey thing going?"

Elections DO have consequences, and electing a flunky like Bush unfortunately had severe consequences for the U.S. I was mystified when we elected him for a 1st term, much less a 2nd term. Iraq will take 6 months? Deficit spending doesn't matter? Osama Bin Laden is irrelevant?

We haven't had a more irresponsible, incompetent admin in the modern era. You have to go back to Harding & Coolidge for adequate comparisons.
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Can you name one policy that wasn't continued under Obama that you hated under Bush? This nation has enthusiastically supported those policies now for four Presidential terms.

Iraq war: Obama followed the negotiated exit strategy left behind by Bush.
Afghanistan: Obama doubled down sending in more troops than Bush.
Bombing by remote control: Pentupled (yes five times the number of "collateral damage" to be proud of).
GITMO: Still there.
Overspending like a drunken democrat: Check
Pill Bill: Trumped
Warrantless Wiretapping: Exponentially greater, now to include 30,000 Drones flying over taking pictures of you...
"Questioning" by the CIA in other nations: Check (In fact, General Patraeus' girlfriend even let it out that it was happening in the compound that was attacked on 9/11 killing our Ambassador).
TSA Patdowns: Yup.
Terrorist lists that can ensure you can't travel: Still there, more names now.
Drug War: More people in prison now than ever before for drugs.
Claiming the capacity to declare US citizens as terrorists and therefore put them in prison without any knowledge of anybody anywhere let alone an ability to get legal council: Check
 
bravo said:
History, when it is looked at by a less divided people and less fanatical group of far left academic nutters, will access Bush as a more than adequate and competent leader...
they will give the proper recognition to the left wing Congress that fucked up the economy and managed to avoid the blame for their actions by media propagandists....
so you're particular take on things is irrelevant......the Bush record is, by far, much better than you will ever admit....just as you are blind to
the incompetence and irresponsible administration of Obama in foreign policy and our domestic economy.....
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You couldn't be more wrong. When we are no longer a superpower, history will look back & identify the start of our decline as Bush's 1st term in office.
 
Damocles said:
Can you name one policy that wasn't continued under Obama that you hated under Bush? This nation has enthusiastically supported those policies now for four Presidential terms.

Iraq war: Obama followed the negotiated exit strategy left behind by Bush.
Afghanistan: Obama doubled down sending in more troops than Bush.
Bombing by remote control: Pentupled (yes five times the number of "collateral damage" to be proud of).
GITMO: Still there.
Overspending like a drunken democrat: Check
Pill Bill: Trumped
Warrantless Wiretapping: Exponentially greater, now to include 30,000 Drones flying over taking pictures of you...
"Questioning" by the CIA in other nations: Check (In fact, General Patraeus' girlfriend even let it out that it was happening in the compound that was attacked on 9/11 killing our Ambassador).
TSA Patdowns: Yup.
Terrorist lists that can ensure you can't travel: Still there, more names now.
Drug War: More people in prison now than ever before for drugs.
Claiming the capacity to declare US citizens as terrorists and therefore put them in prison without any knowledge of anybody anywhere let alone an ability to get legal council: Check
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You're cherrypicking very specific policies, many of which are fairly inconsequential to my world view. Has Obama been a great President? No. But he has been far more competent in foreign & domestic affairs than Bush, he got the guy who was actually behind 9/11, and I happen to agree with Keynesian economics. Obama's spending was more in line with Keynes. Bush's was more in line with we have no idea how to balance a budget or say no to pork, so what the hell, I'll sign it.
 
Jarod said:
They want to pretend it did not happen... They supported him till his term was up then claimed you could not bring him up anymore because it was ancient history.


BTW Im still happy to have anyone bring Bill Clinton up as much as they want. So was Obama during the campaign... I did not see Bush during the campaign...???
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It's interesting how during the 2000 election there was talk of 'Clinton fatigue' and Al Gore practically ran away from Clinton during the campaign. For a great President who everyone likes/loves that pretty surprising wouldn't you say?
 
cawacko said:
It's interesting how during the 2000 election there was talk of 'Clinton fatigue' and Al Gore practically ran away from Clinton during the campaign. For a great President who everyone likes/loves that pretty surprising wouldn't you say?
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Gore's biggest mistake, by a million miles. Gore ran a horrible campaign.

Had he brought Clinton out on the campaign trail, there would be no such thing as the Iraq War.
 
Thing1 said:
You're cherrypicking very specific policies, many of which are fairly inconsequential to my world view. Has Obama been a great President? No. But he has been far more competent in foreign & domestic affairs than Bush, he got the guy who was actually behind 9/11, and I happen to agree with Keynesian economics. Obama's spending was more in line with Keynes. Bush's was more in line with we have no idea how to balance a budget or say no to pork, so what the hell, I'll sign it.
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I didn't "cherry pick" I selected the ones I hated most from Bush, most of which are foreign policy which has been abysmal since the election of Bush II. Bush III (Obama) is worse in every way that I use to measure a successful foreign policy. His Domestic policy has been atrocious, and neither had the foresight to truly work towards getting us off the foreign energy teat.

Everything I hated about Bush, Obama has either continued or increased. Every danged thing. And instead of talking about that, we had idiots talking about the "war on women"...

Instead of talking about the dude who made a video going to prison for it, we argued about nonsense.

Even here people seem distracted by the stupid while the important goes by unobserved.
 
Damocles said:
I didn't "cherry pick" I selected the ones I hated most from Bush, most of which are foreign policy which has been abysmal since the election of Bush II. Bush III (Obama) is worse in every way that I use to measure a successful foreign policy. His Domestic policy has been atrocious, and neither had the foresight to truly work towards getting us off the foreign energy teat.
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You're really just a hater. I have no illusions about his policies, but on both foreign & domestic he is light years ahead of Bush. Unless you're down with full-scale invasions, 10-year military commitments, the Bush doctrine, a philosophy that deficit spending doesn't matter...do I need to go on?

Obama has had a fairly solid track record of foreign policy successes, from Egypt, to OBL, to Libya - all without any kind of major US military involvement. As for domestic, he saved the auto industry, and whether you like it or not, the stimulus stopped the downward spiral.
 
Thing1 said:
You couldn't be more wrong. When we are no longer a superpower, history will look back & identify the start of our decline as Bush's 1st term in office.
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Obama's reign of destruction of America is coming to its end......don't celibate our demise as a superpower yet....
 
Thing1 said:
You're cherrypicking very specific policies, many of which are fairly inconsequential to my world view. Has Obama been a great President? No. But he has been far more competent in foreign & domestic affairs than Bush, he got the guy who was actually behind 9/11, and I happen to agree with Keynesian economics. Obama's spending was more in line with Keynes. Bush's was more in line with we have no idea how to balance a budget or say no to pork, so what the hell, I'll sign it.
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And conveniently you ignore the policies that enabled Obama to "get" the man behind 9/11, don't you.
Egypt and Libya now in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood....
Staggering debt in excess of the Bush spending....
Social programs bankrupting the treasury and growing .....
High Unemployment levels becoming the new norm....

and you're in desperate new of a good optometrist....
 
Thing1 said:
You're really just a hater. I have no illusions about his policies, but on both foreign & domestic he is light years ahead of Bush. Unless you're down with full-scale invasions, 10-year military commitments, the Bush doctrine, a philosophy that deficit spending doesn't matter...do I need to go on?
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Wow. Your response is an ad hom and then repeating stupidity. Obama quadrupled the deficit spending and now the "stimulus" set a new baseline. We will see, and Obama's plan projects, Trillion dollar deficits for 20 years...

You have to deliberately ignore reality to list these things and pretend Obama has done any better than Bush. Leftists, and this guy here, were against drone bombings because of collateral damage before Obama's election, suddenly they are silent on the reality that collateral damage creates terrorists...

Obama has had a fairly solid track record of foreign policy successes, from Egypt, to OBL, to Libya - all without any kind of major US military involvement. As for domestic, he saved the auto industry, and whether you like it or not, the stimulus stopped the downward spiral.
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I don't believe that Egypt was a "success", people are far more under bondage than before in Egypt while their new government debates on whether or not to destroy the pyramids and the Sphinx. Libya, same type of new bondage.

OBL, definitely a success, couldn't have been done without the extra special "questioning" from the CIA that leftists were against pre-Obama but ignore, even to the point of simply not reporting it when it is handed to them on a platter, now that they have Obama.

The person who is "just a hater" is somebody who doesn't recognize the many similarities in Obama and Bush policies so they can pretend that they see something better now.
 
bravo said:
And conveniently you ignore the policies that enabled Obama to "get" the man behind 9/11, don't you.
Egypt and Libya now in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood....
Staggering debt in excess of the Bush spending....
Social programs bankrupting the treasury and growing .....
High Unemployment levels becoming the new norm....

and you're in desperate new of a good optometrist....
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I love it. His "policies" led to the Muslim Brotherhood gaining control. What policies are those? Allowing people the right to self-determination?

The high unemployment levels can be traced to what I said in the OP. No policies would have us out of the woods yet - and you voted for that guy.
 
Thing1 said:
Obama has had a fairly solid track record of foreign policy successes, from Egypt, to OBL, to Libya - all without any kind of major US military involvement. As for domestic, he saved the auto industry, and whether you like it or not, the stimulus stopped the downward spiral.
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You can't seriously consider putting Egypt and Libya into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood are successes.....that ludicrous....
 
Damocles said:
Wow. Your response is an ad hom and then repeating stupidity. Obama quadrupled the deficit spending and now the "stimulus" set a new baseline. We will see, and Obama's plan projects, Trillion dollar deficits for 20 years...

You have to deliberately ignore reality to list these things and pretend Obama has done any better than Bush. Leftists, and this guy here, were against drone bombings because of collateral damage before Obama's election, suddenly they are silent on the reality that collateral damage creates terrorists...


I don't believe that Egypt was a "success", people are far more under bondage than before in Egypt while their new government debates on whether or not to destroy the pyramids and the Sphinx. Libya, same type of new bondage.

OBL, definitely a success, couldn't have been done without the extra special "questioning" from the CIA that leftists were against pre-Obama but ignore, even to the point of simply not reporting it when it is handed to them on a platter, now that they have Obama.

The person who is "just a hater" is somebody who doesn't recognize the many similarities in Obama and Bush policies so they can pretend that they see something better now.
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It's funny - you always say people are "silent," but lefties are some of the most principled people I know. Most liberals I deal with abhor the drone bombings, and say so - vocally.

And yeah - you're just a hater. You were far more "silent" about things you object to under Bush, and you were wrong about TARP & the stimulus. And you hate to be wrong.
 
Thing1 said:
It's funny - you always say people are "silent," but lefties are some of the most principled people I know. Most liberals I deal with abhor the drone bombings, and say so - vocally.
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Funny, the only time they ever mention them here is when I do first. Then it is to lamely claim they "hate them too" in as quiet a written voice I have ever read. In this case you simply aside mention that "other people you know" say stuff about it because lefties are heroes who always are hugely vocal about this....

And yeah - you're just a hater. You were far more "silent" about things you object to under Bush, and you were wrong about TARP & the stimulus. And you hate to be wrong.
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Absolute nonsense. I was vociferous about the policy I disliked under Bush, far more so than simply claiming that "people I know" are vocal. You can find my ranting about his spending, the Pill Bill, the unconstitutional foray into a power not given to the feds called NCLB, here on this board. Often unsolicited. You can find my anger over torture here, warrantless wiretapping, I've spent over 10 years declaring that wrong and even described why the NSA should have nothing at all to do with it ever. I spoke out against people being held without being able to contact attorneys or ever seeing a trial just based on somebody's declaration that they are "terrorists"...
 
Thing1 said:
I love it. His "policies" led to the Muslim Brotherhood gaining control. What policies are those? Allowing people the right to self-determination?

The high unemployment levels can be traced to what I said in the OP. No policies would have us out of the woods yet - and you voted for that guy.
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The policies that led to the tsunami starting with the collapse of the housing market are what will now cost the taxpayers billions bailing out the FHA.....
home buying with little to no money down and the inability of the buyers to pay the mortgage cost in the future....
we all will bear the cost of that idiotic policy because of liberals and their socialism....
 
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