The Christian home-schooler who made ‘parental rights’ a GOP rallying cry

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Now, speaking on a confidential conference call to a secretive group of Christian millionaires seeking, in the words of one member, to “take down the education system as we know it today,” Farris made the same points he had made in courtrooms since the 1980s. Public schools were indoctrinating children with a secular worldview that amounted to a godless religion, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...l-farris-homeschoolers-parents-rights-ziklag/
 
BidenPresident said:
Rights about what?
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To have a say in and to be aware of what'shappening with their children's education... We used to meet several times a year with every student's parent to discuss and agree upon what needed to be happening with their children education.... now obviously that's not possible for every student but the basic idea of parents being involved and aware is incredibly important...
 
TOP said:
To have a say in and to be aware of what'shappening with their children's education... We used to meet several times a year with every student's parent to discuss and agree upon what needed to be happening with their children education.... now obviously that's not possible for every student but the basic idea of parents being involved and aware is incredibly important...
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Sure, parents should be involved in their childrens' education.
 
BidenPresident said:
Now, speaking on a confidential conference call to a secretive group of Christian millionaires seeking, in the words of one member, to “take down the education system as we know it today,” Farris made the same points he had made in courtrooms since the 1980s. Public schools were indoctrinating children with a secular worldview that amounted to a godless religion, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...l-farris-homeschoolers-parents-rights-ziklag/
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If only the democrat Reich could come up with a final solution to the Christian Problem....
 
TOP said:
Don't you believe in parental rights?
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NO, in many cases I do not.

As a parent of two educated adults, I don't believe that Christian conservatives, given their regressive, reactionary values,
should be allowed anywhere near control of public education.

Their intent is simply much too anachronistically perverse, and totally antithetical to the purpose of education.

Locally elected school committees and local property taxes are the worst possible way to run public schools, but that's our system,
and we're paying for it with our collapsing republic.

Schools should be run by the very most accomplished PhDs in Education that the federal government can assemble for a Department of Education.

At least half the people who procreate in this nation--I would personally guess far more--
don't have a clue how to raise their own children
with most of them not having been qualified to be breeders in the first place.

Putting the backward people in charge of educating kids is a pretty sure way to precipitate dystopia,
and that's what's happening in just about all of Red State America.

We can't reform them.
We must partition from them so that our own kids are not held back by their input into education.

The United States of America, in its/their present form, has itself ,themselves become an unworkable model
thanks to the right wing elements in certain regions of the nation.

We need to partition so that more people can get what they actually want
rather than trying to impose their will on one another.

It couldn't be more obvious that we don't all want the same things.
Only the most hopeless "true believer" will irrationally convince him/herself of that,
and the result of it is perpetual rage.
 
Three parents don’t have rights to change everything without all the others parents having a say



The right only wants CERTAIN parents to get their way
 
NiftyNiblick said:
NO, in many cases I do not.

As a parent of two educated adults, I don't believe that Christian conservatives, given their regressive, reactionary values,
should be allowed anywhere near control of public education.

Their intent is simply much too anachronistically perverse, and totally antithetical to the purpose of education.

Locally elected school committees and local property taxes are the worst possible way to run public schools, but that's our system,
and we're paying for it with our collapsing republic.

Schools should be run by the very most accomplished PhDs in Education that the federal government can assemble for a Department of Education.

At least half the people who procreae in this nation--I would personally guess far more--
don't have a clue how to raise their own children
with most of them not having been qualified to be breeders in the first place.

Putting the backward people in charge of educated kids is a pretty sure way to precipitate dystopia,
and that's what's happening in just about all of Red State America.

We can't reform them.
We must partition from them so that our own kids are not held back by their input into education.

The United states of America, in its present form, has itself become an unworkable model
thanks to the right wing elements in certain regions of the nation.

We need to partition so that more people can get what they actually want
rather than trying to impose their will on one another.

It couldn't be more obvious that we don't all want the same things.
Only the most hopeless "true believer" will irrationally convince him/herself of that,
and the result of it is perpetual rage.
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we're going to have to disagree on everything you said ..well almost... I'm sure you are the parent of two educated adult children.... and I'm sure you were involved in their education... when I was teaching I needed parents to be involved...
 
TOP said:
we're going to have to disagree on everything you said ..well almost... I'm sure you are the parent of two educated adult children.... and I'm sure you were involved in their education... when I was teaching I needed for parents to be involved...
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I WANT conservatives to have the right to do it their way if that's what they want.

It's not rational, however, for your way and my way to exist in the same nation.

If all the states decide whether they want to be a part of Red or Blue America, then the ideological minorities in either half can freely migrate.
At least they'll know what they'll be getting if they decide to stay where they are.

Why must we pretend that we're united in certain values when that's so obviously not the case?
 
TOP said:
To have a say in and to be aware of what'shappening with their children's education... We used to meet several times a year with every student's parent to discuss and agree upon what needed to be happening with their children education.... now obviously that's not possible for every student but the basic idea of parents being involved and aware is incredibly important...
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If you christers want a xtian education send them to a christian "skools". Public schools are for all, including Jews , Muslims, Hindu, Buddist, Atheists ...etc
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I WANT conservatives to have the right to do it their way if that's what they want.

It's not rational, however, for your way and my way to exist in the same nation.

If all the states decide whether they want to be a part of Red or Blue America, then the ideological minorities in either half can freely migrate.
At least they'll know what they'll be getting if they decide to stay where they are.

Why must we pretend that we're united in certain values when that's so obviously not the case?
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Why Can't We Be United in certain values? What expectations did you have for your children that I did not have for mine whether it was my biological child or my classroom children? If I say that we could make your way and my way exist in the same Nation wouldn't you get behind that?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
NO, in many cases I do not.
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You're a fascist.

You don't believe in ANY civil rights. You've made that abundantly clear.

As a parent of two educated adults, I don't believe that Christian conservatives, given their regressive, reactionary values,
should be allowed anywhere near control of public education.
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But an outright Nazi like you should be?

Their intent is simply much too anachronistically perverse, and totally antithetical to the purpose of education.

Locally elected school committees and local property taxes are the worst possible way to run public schools, but that's our system,
and we're paying for it with our collapsing republic.

Schools should be run by the very most accomplished PhDs in Education that the federal government can assemble for a Department of Education.

At least half the people who procreate in this nation--I would personally guess far more--
don't have a clue how to raise their own children
with most of them not having been qualified to be breeders in the first place.

Putting the backward people in charge of educating kids is a pretty sure way to precipitate dystopia,
and that's what's happening in just about all of Red State America.

We can't reform them.
We must partition from them so that our own kids are not held back by their input into education.

The United States of America, in its/their present form, has itself ,themselves become an unworkable model
thanks to the right wing elements in certain regions of the nation.

We need to partition so that more people can get what they actually want
rather than trying to impose their will on one another.

It couldn't be more obvious that we don't all want the same things.
Only the most hopeless "true believer" will irrationally convince him/herself of that,
and the result of it is perpetual rage.
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End socialized education.

If we must have taxpayer funded education, provide vouchers and let schools compete.

Those who wish for their children to be groomed as trans can go to schools that pervert small children.

Those who wish for their children to learn {2+2=hate whitey} can send their children to ethnic grievance schools.

Those who seek a Christian education can send kids to religiously aligned schools.

Those who want kids to have a solid education can find schools that stick to core subject.

A free market.
 
TOP said:
If I say that we could make your way and my way exist in the same Nation wouldn't you get behind that?
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You and I, TOP, have admittedly lived significantly different lives,

but my personal experience in roughly eight decades of life in this nation

is that we've really tried to do that

and demonstrated quite convincingly that we cannot.

If your perception is still that we can,

that would suggest, at least to me, TOP,

that the respective databases which are available to us in reaching our respective conclusions

are not remotely similar.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You and I, TOP, have admittedly lived significantly different lives,

but my personal experience in roughly eight decades of life in this nation

is that we've really tried to do that

and demonstrated quite convincingly that we cannot.

If your perception is still that we can,

that would suggest, at least to me, TOP,

that the respective databases which are available to us in reaching our respective conclusions

are not remotely similar.
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My perception is still that we can... it would be very wrong of me to think otherwise .. I think I mentioned that not very long ago my high school made national news with its successful fundraiser and and just now I found out that our local HS has been ranked the best in Ohio...and 121st in the nation... we're making stuff work...in two very different communties and school settings... surprisingly just a few miles apart... I understand that you're older than I am and have had a lot of Life Experiences but I'm the one who's been in the schools... I don't question you when it comes to your union beliefs...because I haven't lived it... do you see where I'm going with this?
 
TOP said:
My perception is still that we can... it would be very wrong of me to think otherwise .. I think I mentioned that not very long ago my high school made national news with its successful fundraiser and and just now I found out that our local HS has been ranked the best in Ohio...and 121st in the nation... we're making stuff work...in two very different communties and school settings... surprisingly just a few miles apart... I understand that you're older than I am and have had a lot of Life Experiences but I'm the one who's been in the schools... I don't question you when it comes to your union beliefs...because I haven't lived it... do you see where I'm going with this?
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Yes, I think so.

To me, I don't want you being coerced to do it it my way or vice versa.
Very little effort is spent in America trying to make everybody happy.
It's usually about one side trying to impose its will on the other.

Perhaps as a teacher, you have ideas that we laymen have not considered.
 
BidenPresident said:
Now, speaking on a confidential conference call to a secretive group of Christian millionaires seeking, in the words of one member, to “take down the education system as we know it today,” Farris made the same points he had made in courtrooms since the 1980s. Public schools were indoctrinating children with a secular worldview that amounted to a godless religion, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...l-farris-homeschoolers-parents-rights-ziklag/
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About time.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Yes, I think so.

To me, I don't want you being coerced to do it it my way or vice versa.
Very little effort is spent in America trying to make everybody happy.
It's usually about one side trying to impose its will on the other.

Perhaps as a teacher, you have ideas that we laymen have not considered.
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There's no worry about coercion...i personally don't ever try to impose my will on anyone else...but you are correct...too many people do...
As you know, that never works... Teachers do have wonderful ideas...that are often not heard or considered...
We used to meet with the Feds (that you suggest take over Public Schools) for evaluations...they never had a clue what was going on...most of them, if they taught at all, didn't teach very long...We just nodded as they tried to tell us what was best for the kids that we had in class for years...sometimes 6...;) Then when they left, we just went back to doing what we knew was best...and what worked...and what parents agreed to...Please do understand that Special Education is quite different from regular classroom teaching...but it's still kids that need us to determine what will help them be the most successful, whatever class they're in or what team they're on...Not some far away Fed...;)
I doubt you would enjoy a week in the classroom...I doubt I'd enjoy a week of union training...That's why it's good there's a you and me....
 
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