The Backfire Effect

ib1yysguy

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In keeping with the thread I posted the other week about how conservatives are tools manipulated to believe anything they're told, even more evidence of conservative idiocy arises. (Prediction: You'll see some of this effect in this very thread!)

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2008/09/backfire-effect
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091402375_pf.html

The Backfire Effect

THE BACKFIRE EFFECT....What happens when you tell people that someone has made a false claim? Shankar Vedantam reports:

Political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler provided two groups of volunteers with the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. One group was given a refutation -- the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.
A similar "backfire effect" also influenced conservatives told about Bush administration assertions that tax cuts increase federal revenue. One group was offered a refutation by prominent economists that included current and former Bush administration officials. About 35 percent of conservatives told about the Bush claim believed it; 67 percent of those provided with both assertion and refutation believed that tax cuts increase revenue.

Italics mine. Nyhan and Reifler found this "backfire" effect only among conservatives. Refutations had little effect on liberals, but it didn't cause them to actively believe the misleading information even more strongly.

Why? Reifler suggests it's because conservatives are more rigid than liberals. Maybe so. If I had to guess, though, I'd say it's because right-wing talkers have spent so many years deriding "so-called experts" that they now have negative credibility with many conservatives. The very fact that an expert says a conservative claim is wrong is taken as a good reason to believe the claim. This could probably be tested by doing a study of factual information outside the realm of politics and seeing if conservatives react the same way. If they do, maybe that's support for the generic rigidity theory. If not, it's support for the theory that conservatives simply distrust political elites.

For more, here is Reifler's online Q&A at the Washington Post this morning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/09/14/DI2008091401308.html

UPDATE: I should add that these weren't the only two questions Nyhan and Reifler asked. They also asked a question about stem cell research in which it was liberals who might be expected to resist the truth. They didn't find any backfire effect there either, though.

UPDATE: The full paper is here. Via email, Nyhan tells me that they tried to test my proposition that conservatives don't trust elite experts by varying the source of the refutations. Sometimes it was the New York Times, other times it was Fox News. "Surprisingly," he says, "it had little effect."
 
I guess this just means, when debating conservatives, intelligence is unallowed. Just hit them with some platitudes and ridiculous analogies from now on, guys, instead of providing them with facts and figures.
 
I guess this just means, when debating conservatives, intelligence is unallowed. Just hit them with some platitudes and ridiculous analogies from now on, guys, instead of providing them with facts and figures.

Yeah, this study actually shows facts are counter productive to convincing them they're wrong. Facts and the conservative take on something are inversely related, to put it mathematically.
 
Nyhan and Reifler found this "backfire" effect only among conservatives. Refutations had little effect on liberals, but it didn't cause them to actively believe the misleading information even more strongly.

Why? Reifler suggests it's because conservatives are more rigid than liberals.


LOL.


For reference, see any of Dixie's posts on the Iraq War, or on how oppossing interracial marriage isn't neccessarily racist.
 
Good Post. This just reinforces my stance that the party of personal responsibility has none.
They are never wrong. This is a common republican trait.

Damned liberal media.
 
Good Post. This just reinforces my stance that the party of personal responsibility has none.
They are never wrong. This is a common republican trait.

Damned liberal media.

Who admits that they are wrong? We have a thread from yesterday where a Democrat poster, Jarod, claims Obama is responsible for the drop in gas prices from July 2008 to January 2009, while Bush was President. Yet after having numerous people tell him he is mistaken he will not admit it and is adament that he is correct.

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.
 
Who admits that they are wrong? We have a thread from yesterday where a Democrat poster, Jarod, claims Obama is responsible for the drop in gas prices from July 2008 to January 2009, while Bush was President. Yet after having numerous people tell him he is mistaken he will not admit it and is adament that he is correct.

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.

NO!
 
Who admits that they are wrong?

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.


Nice retort Cawacko!

Hey bro, I admit I'm wrong. Hell man, just the other day I let you school me on Willie Brown and I defered to your knowlege. I admit I was wrong about invading afghanistan, I admit I was wrong about John Edwards, and I admit I was wrong about thinking republicans are anything more than black-hearted, souless spawn of Hell.


j/k :)
 
Nice retort Cawacko!

Hey bro, I admit I'm wrong. Hell man, just the other day I let you school me on Willie Brown and I defered to your knowlege. I admit I was wrong about invading afghanistan, I admit I was wrong about John Edwards, and I admit I was wrong about thinking republicans are anything more than black-hearted, souless spawn of Hell.


j/k :)

LOL... i start off from the premise I'm wrong!

Edit: Don't forget, I'm going to heaven now!!!!
 
LOL... i start off from the premise I'm wrong!

Edit: Don't forget, I'm going to heaven now!!!!


Dude, did that church lady lead you to believe she saved your soul?

I KNOW you man! Alchohol, drugs, prostitutes. You're going to the seventh circle of hell!
 
Who admits that they are wrong? We have a thread from yesterday where a Democrat poster, Jarod, claims Obama is responsible for the drop in gas prices from July 2008 to January 2009, while Bush was President. Yet after having numerous people tell him he is mistaken he will not admit it and is adament that he is correct.

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.

I admit I am wrong often. Ask Damo. Please look at my gas price thread from yesterday where I never claim President Obama was responsable for drop in gas prices. You will see that this is not based on fact, which is consistant with the topic of this thread... Republicans do not deal in reality.
 
"So all you who are blaming Presidnet Obama for the economic situation...


Does he get credit for the decrease in gas prices? This is a huge drop in Gas prices!!!?

Obama has been president for 6 monhts!!!

Well??? "


Where above did I claim President Obama was responsable for the decrease in gas prices?
 
"So all you who are blaming Presidnet Obama for the economic situation...


Does he get credit for the decrease in gas prices? This is a huge drop in Gas prices!!!?

Obama has been president for 6 monhts!!!

Well??? "


Where above did I claim President Obama was responsable for the decrease in gas prices?

Does he get credit? No, because gas prices have risen while he has been President.

Does he get blame for gas prices rising during his six months in office? No.
 
Does he get credit? No, because gas prices have risen while he has been President.

Does he get blame for gas prices rising during his six months in office? No.

But where did I say he was responsable for the decrease in gas prices? Where? Where? Where?
 
Who admits that they are wrong? We have a thread from yesterday where a Democrat poster, Jarod, claims Obama is responsible for the drop in gas prices from July 2008 to January 2009, while Bush was President. Yet after having numerous people tell him he is mistaken he will not admit it and is adament that he is correct.

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.


Where did I claim President Obama was responsable for the decrease in gas prices? Where? Where? Where?


You are the one who made this claim, if you cant show where I made such a claim, Id like to see you, as a conservative admit you are WRONG...

Cant do it can you?
 
Who admits that they are wrong? We have a thread from yesterday where a Democrat poster, Jarod, claims Obama is responsible for the drop in gas prices from July 2008 to January 2009, while Bush was President. Yet after having numerous people tell him he is mistaken he will not admit it and is adament that he is correct.

Just one example for sure but please save your holier than thou rethoric for someone else.

Where did I claim President Obama was responsable for the decrease in gas prices? Where? Where? Where?


You are the one who made this claim, if you cant show where I made such a claim, Id like to see you, as a conservative admit you are WRONG...

Cant do it can you?



Hypothisis of this thread proven!
 
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