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The rich really are different from the rest of us, scientists have found — they are more apt to commit unethical acts because they are more motivated by greed.

People driving expensive cars were more likely than other motorists to cut off drivers and pedestrians at a four-way-stop intersection in the San Francisco Bay Area, UC Berkeley researchers observed. Those findings led to a series of experiments that revealed that people of higher socioeconomic status were also more likely to cheat to win a prize, take candy from children and say they would pocket extra change handed to them in error rather than give it back.

Because rich people have more financial resources, they're less dependent on social bonds for survival, the Berkeley researchers reported Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. As a result, their self-interest reigns and they have fewer qualms about breaking the rules.

"If you occupy a more insular world, you're less likely to be sensitive to the needs of others," said study lead author Paul Piff, who is studying for a doctorate in psychology.

But before those in the so-called 99% start feeling ethically superior, consider this: Piff and his colleagues also discovered that anyone's ethical standards could be prone to slip if they suddenly won the lottery and joined the top 1%.


"There is a strong notion that when people don't have much, they're really looking out for themselves and they might act unethically," said Scott Wiltermuth, who researches social status at USC's Marshall School of Business and wasn't involved in the study. "But actually, it's the upper-class people that are less likely to see that people around them need help — and therefore act unethically."


In earlier studies, Piff documented that wealthy people were less likely to act generously than relatively impoverished people. With this research, he hoped to find out whether wealthy people would also prioritize self-interest if it meant breaking the rules.




http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-0228-greed-20120228,0,5965885.story
 
:lol:

Did you even read the article???

UC Berkeley researchers (LIBERAL)

People driving expensive cars were more likely than other motorists to cut off drivers and pedestrians at a four-way-stop intersection in the San Francisco Bay Area. (LIBERAL)

For instance, the team used a standard questionnaire to get college students to assess their own socioeconomic status and asked how likely subjects were to behave unethically in eight different scenarios. (LIBERAL)

Another experiment recruited people from Craigslist (Rich People Do Not Shop On Craigslist)


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webbway said:
Did you even read the article???

UC Berkeley researchers (LIBERAL)

People driving expensive cars were more likely than other motorists to cut off drivers and pedestrians at a four-way-stop intersection in the San Francisco Bay Area. (LIBERAL)

For instance, the team used a standard questionnaire to get college students to assess their own socioeconomic status and asked how likely subjects were to behave unethically in eight different scenarios. (LIBERAL)

Another experiment recruited people from (Rich People Do Not Shop On Craigslist)


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You failed to comment on the OP. You just tried to derail the conversation with a bunch of far-rightie nonsense attacks.

FYI:

UC Berkley - Top 10 University in the United States. (and it's public)

San Francisco - major American city, where capitalism is alive and well.

And the new Santorum idiocy about colleges being liberal training centers, you saw fit to regurgitate.

Congrats, your Sith Masters at Fox News should promote you.

But if you want to debate politics, have something to say.
 
hazlnut said:
You failed to comment on the OP. You just tried to derail the conversation with a bunch of far-rightie nonsense attacks.

FYI:

UC Berkley - Top 10 University in the United States. (and it's public)

San Francisco - major American city, where capitalism is alive and well.

And the new Santorum idiocy about colleges being liberal training centers, you saw fit to regurgitate.

Congrats, your Sith Masters at Fox News should promote you.

But if you want to debate politics, have something to say.
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Sorry dude, Kal is ranked 21st.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+3
 
hazlnut said:
You can't even spell it right... Dude.

Fine, #7 Law School. Happy, pappy?

And when ranking 4000+ things, the difference between 10 and 21 is meaningless.
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LOL, I know how it is spelled. You obviously don't understand what that spelling means. And actually when discussing Universities between 10 and 21 is a HUGE difference.

And FYI Boalt is now ranked 9th, not 7th. But when talking about a University you don't claim it's in the Top 10 because one of its school's is.
 
cawacko said:
LOL, I know how it is spelled. You obviously don't understand what that spelling means.
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It means you're trying to be cute and snarky, but just end up looking stupid, Kuz.


And actually when discussing Universities between 10 and 21 is a HUGE difference.
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FAIL.

Do the math, bright boy.

Take 11 and divide by 5758.

You want to work in SF or LA in business, law, real estate. An ivy degree doesn't mean jack. You better go to Stanford, Cal or... USC.

That's why the U.S. News World Report rankings are so horribly flawed, their criteria for 'ranking' is superficial.

And FYI Boalt is now ranked 9th, not 7th. But when talking about a University you don't claim it's in the Top 10 because one of its school's is.
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Last year it was 7th, the year before 6th. Meaningless differences. Again, do the math.

I can rank a university wherever I want. US News and World Report gets overzealous parents and Deans hard, but in real world the best college is different with each student.
 
hazlnut said:
It means you're trying to be cute and snarky, but just end up looking stupid, Kuz.




FAIL.

Do the math, bright boy.

Take 11 and divide by 5758.

You want to work in SF or LA in business, law, real estate. An ivy degree doesn't mean jack. You better go to Stanford, Cal or... USC.

That's why the U.S. News World Report rankings are so horribly flawed, their criteria for 'ranking' is superficial.



Last year it was 7th, the year before 6th. Meaningless differences. Again, do the math.

I can rank a university wherever I want. US News and World Report gets overzealous parents and Deans hard, but in real world the best college is different with each student.
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Let's see. I grew up next to KAL (and no it doesn't look stupid saying that have you actually been to Berkeley and Telegraph Ave?), have many many friends that went to Cal and I went to many Cal football and basketball games. I went to USC because it has the best alumni in the state. You claim there is no difference between 10th and 21st. USC is ranked 23rd. We have started a $6 billion fundraising campaign in attempt to boost our national standing. How many Universities raise $6 billion in a several year span? Not all that many. And if we accomplish it it may help us move several spots in the rankings if we are lucky so please save me the it means nothing routine.

And yes going to a top school doesn't guarantee one success just as going to a lower ranked school doesn't mean one can only hope for mediocrity. Everyone is different. I don't know what your connection is to the Tedford Bears but don't get upset for getting called out for not being in the Top 10 when you aren't.
 
cawacko said:
Sorry dude, Kal is ranked 21st.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+3
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that is 21st worldwide on overall score - please see below though

column titles are:

RANK OVERALL ACADEMIC EMPLOYER Faculty- International International Citations per
SCORE REPUTATION REPUTATION Student Faculty Score Students Score Faculty Score
SCORE SCORE Ratio
Score

ucb's score combining academic score, employer reputation, faculty to student ration and citation per faculty score you get an overall score of 97.7, placing 7th

ok, my cut and paste skills suck, but you get the idea












[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"]#21[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] University of California, Berkeley (UCB) United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 87.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"] 95.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"] 62.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 95.7[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #34[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 81.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 90.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 48.7[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 99.9[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"] #1[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] University of Cambridge United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"] 98.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"] 98.4[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"] 96.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 92.7[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] University of Chicago United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 96.1[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 90.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 95.8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"] 71.5[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"] 81.4[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 92.3[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"] #31[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] University of Melbourne Australia[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 83.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"] 80.7[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"] 95.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 78.4[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #14[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] University of Michigan United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 91.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 90.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 91.5[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"] 53.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"] 51.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 85.3[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"] #5[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] University of Oxford United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 98.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"] 98.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"] 95.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 82.0[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #38[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] University of Sydney Australia[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 79.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.5[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 74.7[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 53.4[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"] 99.7[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"] 94.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 50.6[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"] #25[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] The University of Tokyo Japan[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 85.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 90.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"] 92.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"][/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 74.0[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #23[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] University of Toronto Canada[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 86.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 90.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 65.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"] 91.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"] 49.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 77.3[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-first rank-column"] #4[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd university-name"] Yale University United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even overall-score"] 98.8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even employer-rep-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd fac-stu-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even intl-fac-score"] 84.3[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-odd intl-stu-score"] 65.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 97.2[/TD]

[TD="class: row-even column-even column-first rank-column"] #12[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd university-name"] California Institute of Technology (Caltech) United States[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even overall-score"] 93.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even employer-rep-score"] 25.8[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd fac-stu-score"] 97.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even intl-fac-score"] 99.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-odd intl-stu-score"] 93.9[/TD]
[TD="class: row-even column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 100.0[/TD]

[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-even column-first rank-column"] #18[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-odd university-name"] ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) Switzerland[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-even overall-score"] 89.5[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-odd column-selected acad-rep-score"] 99.2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-even employer-rep-score"] 74.6[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-odd fac-stu-score"] 54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-even intl-fac-score"] 100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-odd intl-stu-score"] 99.1[/TD]
[TD="class: row-odd row-last column-even column-last citations-per-fac-score"] 99.0[/TD]





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cawacko said:
Let's see. I grew up next to KAL (and no it doesn't look stupid saying that have you actually been to Berkeley and Telegraph Ave?), have many many friends that went to Cal and I went to many Cal football and basketball games. I went to USC because it has the best alumni in the state. You claim there is no difference between 10th and 21st. USC is ranked 23rd. We have started a $6 billion fundraising campaign in attempt to boost our national standing. How many Universities raise $6 billion in a several year span? Not all that many. And if we accomplish it it may help us move several spots in the rankings if we are lucky so please save me the it means nothing routine.

And yes going to a top school doesn't guarantee one success just as going to a lower ranked school doesn't mean one can only hope for mediocrity. Everyone is different. I don't know what your connection is to the Tedford Bears but don't get upset for getting called out for not being in the Top 10 when you aren't.
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my wife used too work in the programming department at ucb, so yes, i know where it is and its reputation...

ps i used to work as the computer programmer for the sf ballet and if you think that drivers are bad in la, try the sf bay area!
 
\\(())// said:
Another thread hijacked by righties unable to debate the subject...

Let's get back on topic.

Wealthy, motivated by greed, are more likely to cheat, study finds

...more prone to cheating, taking candy from children and failing to wait their turn at four-way stop...



http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-0228-greed-20120228,0,5965885.story
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who are you calling a rightie?

try driving anywhere where there are wealthy drivers (or their children) and you will encounter some of the rudest drivers in the u s of a

most of them are socially immature clods
 
hazlnut said:
You failed to comment on the OP. You just tried to derail the conversation with a bunch of far-rightie nonsense attacks.

FYI:

UC Berkley - Top 10 University in the United States. (and it's public)

San Francisco - major American city, where capitalism is alive and well.

And the new Santorum idiocy about colleges being liberal training centers, you saw fit to regurgitate.

Congrats, your Sith Masters at Fox News should promote you.

But if you want to debate politics, have something to say.
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:lol:

So are you telling us that UC Berkley is not one of the most liberal colleges?

That the city of San Francisco has suddenly gone conservative?

That rich people sit around all day searching Craiglist to buy their next used car?

Why did the writer of the story not use the this as the title of article, "Wealthy, Liberal San Franciscans, motivated by greed, are more likely to cheat, study finds"

The article is nothing more than OWS propaganda put out by democrats.

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