Syrian rebels confront defeat in Aleppo, could Saudi Arabia and Turkey be drawn in?

moon2012 said:
Yes, I am. Firepower means nothing without experience behind it. Just look at the result of the 1948 war !
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i'm far from an expert, but wasn't that a volunteer army by the Arabs? SA does wargames but it also is a modern well equipped army.
I think this is unknowable in battle, and would depend on the opposition, but it's special forces are very well trained and effective in Yemen


Yes, it's appalling- but Iranians have a democracy. When they fight they do so for an elected leadership. Saudis have no such choice- they are ordered to fight by a tyrant
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Iranians fight for Iran, or the militias for their sect.
The Quds forces are effective, the militias are bloody and vindictive..I don't see where a so called democracy ( se Green Revolution 2009) that is
overlorded by a theocracy is any different then a kingdom.

You're a little slow, if you don't mind me saying.
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No I don't mind.but I prefer not to rush to judgement

What is a barrel bomb ? If it is an effective weapon then why is it that only Syrians are reportedly using them ?
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I would hope you know what a barrel bomb is?
A barrel bomb is a type of improvised explosive device used by the Syrian Air Force during the Syrian civil war. They are typically made from a barrel that has been filled with High Explosives, with possibly shrapnel and/or oil, and then dropped from a helicopter.
 it takes an air force/helicopter to use them, Assad routinely uses them in the cities -hence the high rate of civilian deaths

Syria has its seat at the United Nations.
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yes. despite continued bombing of UN relief columns.
I personally don't put a lot of stock in the UN- perhaps Russia and China keep the pressure on -I don't know.
I do know Assad is as brutal as the Islamists ( Islamic Front characters) here is a good list -> url Guide to Syrian Rebels


No killing of civilians is legitimate- whatever Hillary Clinton or other neoZionist supporters say- but I'm not about to believe Western reports of Russian actions. It would be crazy to so do- right ?
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It's pretty much a given Russia's main concern is Assad, and not ISIL or "terrorists" - it has bombed population centers..do the logic

Armed militias randomly occupying a country and killing its inhabitants ARE terrorists. These militias are Western funded and serviced, remember. They are a foreign force .
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some are. many are not. many are funded by the Gulf States, or Iran or in ISIL's case self financing.
Syria is a multi-headed regional civil war proxes are funded and supported from all over the region,and yes the west also.

Gaddafi was putting down insurrection in his own country. He would have won and Libya would still be a functioning state- not the state that Israel and the West wanted, certainly, but look at it today.
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I absolutely agree with you on Libya - but Qaddafi never was going to commit mass atrocities in Bengazi as as Hillary claimed
and sold to Obama as fact. Assad has committed large civilian atrocities..
I would be happy if the US/west stayed out of both, but we didn't -and Hillary created (chief architect) the failed terrorist state of Libya today.
I run a blog on the current civil war there, you might be interested.--> url Libyan Civil War 2014-Present
Please take a few spare minutes and look thru, I think it would be worth your time.

I can't agree. Russia is supporting a legal government. The West tried and overthrew one in Libya.
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I completely agree Libya under Qaddafi was a legitimate member of the world community. Morally entitled to put down the insurrection
Assad not so much -despite his electoral mandate.
But i'm not adamant on this point either, my idea is assad has lost moral legitimacy, if not legal .
As far as Russia goes it acts in it's own interest, and as I said I'm fine with that - realpolitik being what it is

No, it isn't. Yet here you are demonstrating against its legal government, perhaps in the hope that it will be. I can't subscribe to illegal international actions.
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It is a failed state just as Libya is a failed state. Libya has 3 current governments, bu there is no central authority.
In that sense ( no governable authority) it is a failed state.


Wasn't that the intent of the West and Israel ?
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Intent is difficult to say - and if so the regional players themselves are just as , or more culpable

No- only Syrians have the right to determine Syria's future- and they are legally represented by the current Syrian government, whether you like that or not
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Yet assad has agreed to multi-lateral peace talks -->url Syria Agrees to Join Geneva Peace Talks


[QUOTENeoZionism- essentially the boil on the ass of the Middle East;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Zionism[/QUOTE]

^ i'll look at it -thanks

PS I put my links in purple so you could see them more easily
 
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moon2012 said:
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Let's see if the current activities can force all parties to the negotiating table. It is certainly in the ' rebels ' interests at present.
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well you know this isn't the first time..Is this Geneva 2 or 3 now? ( at least they are getting together in the same room now)

I don't think there can be a political settlement as long as there is room on the battlefields - that why I call it a caldron.
Outside funding and manpower, as well as internal groups still look for advantages..i suppose war has to end sometimes..

Syria is wrecked for at least a generation - the destruction is so widespread, and the peoples so impoverished
and the brain drained to Europe,,etc..
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did you see my Libya blog? I think you would enjoy it. It really shows how the assassination of Qaddafi by US/France
has led to it's current abysmal wreckage.. ISIS in Libya is the most effective "affiliate" outside of Iraq/Syria.

I even put in plenty of photos to make scrolling thru interesting! some relly goo stuff in there about Hillary too -
her and the monsters Susan Rice and Susan Powers ( White House NSC) with Hillary. I call them the "Unholy- Harpies"
 
I saw your Libya blog. You've managed to observe the realities of Libya through the smoke of the Western media. Congratulations.
Both Saddam and Gaddafi were murdered, of course, the former by corrupt Western-backed ' legal process ' and the latter under strange circumstances in the field.

Did you get up to date with neoZionism ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Zionism

Clinton is a bloody supporter !
 
kinda like some who want us to throw the clintons under the bus for being good at what they do
 
moon2012 said:
I saw your Libya blog. You've managed to observe the realities of Libya through the smoke of the Western media. Congratulations.
Both Saddam and Gaddafi were murdered, of course, the former by corrupt Western-backed ' legal process ' and the latter under strange circumstances in the field.

Did you get up to date with neoZionism ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Zionism

Clinton is a bloody supporter !
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Not yet. I'll look at it. I'm glad you enjoyed the blog. I was one of the very first
( along with a socialist guy who posted here - BAC) who saw Libya for what it was - and the Clinton Emails have confirmed over and over it was about replacing the French frank, and Qaddafi's Pan Africanism with western neocolonialism.

I would rite a ton more about it,but that's why I started the blog! that and to combat this interventionist meme of " we should have done more in Libya"
like we were going to actually invest blood and treasure in that country after we destroyed it?

I agree on Clinton. She is the most dangerous candidate out there -worse then even the Republicans because of her arrogance of power
and calling Libya "smart power" - she doesn't learn. She is an innate interventionist
 
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