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Rand Paul: Mine safety regulations aren’t needed since “no one will apply” for jobs at dangerous mines



Rand Paul: Government has no Business Protecting Miners

Reform-minded lawmakers in both the House and Senate are pushing legislation to bolster the work-safety protections for miners working underground. But don't try to convince Rand Paul.

The Republican running to replace outgoing Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) in the coal-mining hub of Kentucky said recently that Washington has no business formulating mine safety rules.

"The bottom line is: I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules," Paul said at a recent campaign stop in response to questions about April's deadly mining explosion in West Virginia, according to a profile in Details magazine. "You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs."

"I know that doesn't sound … I want to be compassionate, and I'm sorry for what happened, but I wonder: Was it just an accident?"

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...ul-congress-has-no-business-protecting-miners
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Note to the wanna-be future senator from Kentucky:

Senators don't make "rules". Senators pass laws. Workplace safety rules are developed and promulgated by technical experts - under the authority of laws - in the appropriate executive agencies, with industry and public input.
 
Cypress said:
Rand Paul: Mine safety regulations aren’t needed since “no one will apply” for jobs at dangerous mines






Note to the wanna-be future senator from Kentucky:

Senators don't make "rules". Senators pass laws. Workplace safety rules are developed and promulgated by technical experts - under the authority of laws - in the appropriate executive agencies, with industry and public input.
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He is sooooooooo clueless a market fundamentalist and they are as dangerous as any fundamentalist of any stripe!
 
Cypress said:
Rand Paul: Mine safety regulations aren’t needed since “no one will apply” for jobs at dangerous mines


Note to the wanna-be future senator from Kentucky:

Senators don't make "rules". Senators pass laws. Workplace safety rules are developed and promulgated by technical experts - under the authority of laws - in the appropriate executive agencies, with industry and public input.
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Here's my favorite part: "'The bottom line is: I'm not an expert,' Paul said at a recent campaign stop"

Maybe you aren't, but as a US Senator you HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND EXPERTS to help you properly formulate those rules and regulations.
 
So, Rand says that local control is better and you pretend that means he thinks that government shouldn't be involved? I think you are full of spin.
 
Damocles said:
So, Rand says that local control is better and you pretend that means he thinks that government shouldn't be involved? I think you are full of spin.
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Sorry man, the federal government has the constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce. Rand might hate that, but it's there in black and white in the constitution. Otherwise, its a race to the bottom among red states to see how many miners they can kill (j/k). The states have their own regs, but there has to be a minimum national baseline, to prevent a race to the bottom.

I think you should read upton sinclair sometime, bro.

Rand Paul doesn't understand our system of government,either. No one is asking him to evaluate and develop workplace safety rules. Those rule are developed, evaluated, and promulgated by technical experts in executive agencies, with input from academia, industry, and informed members of the public.
 
Rana said:
He is sooooooooo clueless a market fundamentalist and they are as dangerous as any fundamentalist of any stripe!
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Word.....but as H.L. Menken said.....no one ever went broke understimating the intelligence of the American public."

It scares the hell out of me that this guy will get elected.
 
Damocles said:
So, Rand says that local control is better and you pretend that means he thinks that government shouldn't be involved? I think you are full of spin.
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JESUS CHRIST DAMO!!! They had local control of mining in Kentucky for many years. You know what that got them? Company towns, indentured servitude, child labor, black lung, methane poisoning and mine explosions. You couldn't possibly be suggesting going back to local control?

Good God Damo. That's just insane. A corporation or business primary responsibility is to make a profit. Not to make sure you are safe and if they have to sacrifice your safety they will do so to ensure a profit.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
JESUS CHRIST DAMO!!! They had local control of mining in Kentucky for many years. You know what that got them? Company towns, indentured servitude, child labor, black lung, methane poisoning and mine explosions. You couldn't possibly be suggesting going back to local control?

Good God Damo. That's just insane. A corporation or business primary responsibility is to make a profit. Not to make sure you are safe and if they have to sacrifice your safety they will do so to ensure a profit.
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Mott, this is exactly what they want! The Old South is their perfect model but they will settle for the early 1900's in the Appalachia coal country.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Here's my favorite part: "'The bottom line is: I'm not an expert,' Paul said at a recent campaign stop"

Maybe you aren't, but as a US Senator you HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND EXPERTS to help you properly formulate those rules and regulations.
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Absolutely and if you don't use those resources it is negligent!
 
Damocles said:
So, Rand says that local control is better and you pretend that means he thinks that government shouldn't be involved? I think you are full of spin.
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Local control, but how do the locals enact things? Where do you go when you need a hand with a corporation that is big and is a bully? Your local GOVERNMENT...or the courts and most people don't have the resources to use the courts!

Not work there, apparently he doesn't understand that many people don't have other options! It is like telling them, if you don't have bread, eat cake!
 
Cypress said:
Rand Paul: Mine safety regulations aren’t needed since “no one will apply” for jobs at dangerous mines






Note to the wanna-be future senator from Kentucky:

Senators don't make "rules". Senators pass laws. Workplace safety rules are developed and promulgated by technical experts - under the authority of laws - in the appropriate executive agencies, with industry and public input.
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Rand will win no matter how much some people try to stop it.
 
Cypress said:
Sorry man, the federal government has the constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce. Rand might hate that, but it's there in black and white in the constitution. Otherwise, its a race to the bottom among red states to see how many miners they can kill (j/k). The states have their own regs, but there has to be a minimum national baseline, to prevent a race to the bottom.

I think you should read upton sinclair sometime, bro.

Rand Paul doesn't understand our system of government,either. No one is asking him to evaluate and develop workplace safety rules. Those rule are developed, evaluated, and promulgated by technical experts in executive agencies, with input from academia, industry, and informed members of the public.
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I agree with you that there is authority to regulate commerce like that..., however telling people that he has no expertise and that local control might be better is different than saying that no government entity should ever be involved. What you say he "says" is based on your negative interpretation of anything he would ever say and not on the idea he communicated.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
JESUS CHRIST DAMO!!! They had local control of mining in Kentucky for many years. You know what that got them? Company towns, indentured servitude, child labor, black lung, methane poisoning and mine explosions. You couldn't possibly be suggesting going back to local control?

Good God Damo. That's just insane. A corporation or business primary responsibility is to make a profit. Not to make sure you are safe and if they have to sacrifice your safety they will do so to ensure a profit.
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I didn't say I agreed with him, I simply wrote what Rand said in a different way, kind of like I used to do when I had to interpret Topspinese. He did not say that the government has "no business protecting miners" as it was suggested, he said that people in Congress have "no expertise" and they'd be better off with local control.
 
Damocles said:
I didn't say I agreed with him, I simply wrote what Rand said in a different way, kind of like I used to do when I had to interpret Topspinese. He did not say that the government has "no business protecting miners" as it was suggested, he said that people in Congress have "no expertise" and they'd be better off with local control.
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But they weren't better off with local control. That's the point.
 
Liberty said:
Rand will win no matter how much some people try to stop it.
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He might, but he's going to have to leave his more "radical" ideas by the wayside to get anything done once he makes it to DC.

Saying that people won't work for an unsafe mine is just plain crazy. It's been shown time and again that private businesses can'tbe trusted to make hard choices that are in the best interest of employee safety.

The faithful will take the job and just trust in prayer to keep them from dying in a cave in while they line the Board of Directors coffers.
 
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