Sorry, Bernie: I Love You, but This Is Over—and Getting Embarrassing

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I've been with him loudly and passionately, but won't be part of destroying this party in the fall.

I’ve been an unapologetic shill for Bernie Sanders, writing articles, sending small donations and attending rallies, but after the recent debacle [3] in my home state of Nevada, coupled with undeniable delegate math, it has became clear to me that Bernie cannot win the nomination. It’s sad for his supporters, like me. But what is more troubling is the heated, false and sometimes vile rage coming out of some Bernie supporters, as they grow ever more frustrated at the loss. I’ve worked hard in my own life to embrace progressive values, and the rhetoric coming from some parts of my own community reminds me of the Tea Party.

Bernie should give a rousing speech at the convention and hammer hard at the party platform. He’s changed the conversation for a decade or more, but there is a fine line between supporting a candidate and adopting fact-denying, slanderous behavior that we rightfully condemn when it’s spewed from the right.

I’m from this state and had many friends who attended the Nevada Democratic Convention, both for Hillary and Bernie. I was a precinct captain at the Nevada caucus. When my “side” won the caucus by a card draw [4], there were no hard feelings. Hillary supporters are my friends, family, coworkers and people I care about. My wife is for Hillary. As I watched the state convention implode, I was just relieved that I didn’t attend. There is no good, none whatsoever that comes from creating more hate and discontent in a nation already drowning in outrage.

Despite my warm, abiding love for Bernie, I can count. Hillary won Nevada, and she won the state convention. She has won more states and votes than my guy. It’s sad, but I’m not a poor loser.

Nevada Bernie supporters are furious they weren’t able to wrest more delegates from a state that Sanders lost. We are better than this. Bernie and his movement have done great things, but all the hard word work and his important message will be lost if our country ends up moving backwards because of this petty, intraparty battle.

This sideshow has taken the attention away from the real crazy. In my own state, the GOP had its convention where they chastised [5] a sitting Republican governor for daring to fund schools, called for a repeal of the minimum wage and pushed for a voter ID law. The only thing missing was a party plank to buy an orphanage, kick out the orphans and convert the building into a Chick-fil-A. The debacle at the Democratic Convention took the emphasis off where it should be—on real, honest lunatics [6].

There’s too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. I thought liberals were the voice of evidence and reason? My own, 22-year-old, Bernie-loving son regurgitated conservative talking points to me the other day. “Hillary and Trump are no different,” he said. This is the wet dream of the Trump campaign, to conflate Clinton with an orange buffoon. Hillary has run a good campaign. She is a respected politician with a passionate following—and more votes than my guy [7]. I didn’t escape the Fox News echo chamber [8] just to embrace an equally angry liberal version.

I once wrote that the Sanders revolution reminded me of the Ron Paul campaign, a “revolution” in which I was also deeply enmeshed [9]. Sadly, some Bernie supports would feel right at home at a Paul rally.

Paul is a libertarian-leaning Republican and his supporters were rabid to the point of blindness. They held onto kooky conspiracy theories and an unquenchable rage. Their insistence on purity tore at the foundations of their own ideology. In the end, they hurt no one but themselves. I see too many uncomfortable comparisons between Paul and Sanders supporters. It has become almost a personality cult. Sanders supporters are also in danger of overplaying this moment and doing themselves lasting harm. The Paul movement thought itself invincible, yet whatever happened to that Rand [10] fellow?

The desperation and rage has led to harassment [11] of some super delegates. One supporter was even charged with a felony count [12] of threatening a public servant. We Sanders supporters face a choice about how we will behave. I don’t want to look back in ten years and be ashamed of what we did. The behavior of the losing side means something, and there is still a lot of good that can be done if we seize the moment.

In my own state, Bernie gave a shout-out to Lucy Flores [13], a Nevada congressional candidate. His support has given a great candidate a real shot at winning. Like so many big movements, Sanders supporters should focus on local and down-ballot races. We can make a difference, but not if we continue to burn Hillary Clinton in effigy.

I do offer a word of advice to Clinton supporters: they should mostly stay out of this. The Sanders supporters have some disappointment to deal with, not unlike the rage expressed by Clinton people after Barack Obama won in 2008. People are upset, and gloating from the Clinton camp can only make it worse.

I understand the rage percolating through the electorate, driving the candidacies of both Sanders and Trump. I’m angry too. I haven’t had a decent raise in years. Our employers often express an attitude that our fundamental humanity can be reduced to a dollar amount. Capitalism is broken and dehumanizing, our democracy is perverted by racism and voter suppression, but are things all bad?

Millennials are less religious than ever, gay marriage is accepted by a majority of Americans, and we are arguing about how far left to move the Democratic Party. We’re winning if we don’t manage to shoot ourselves in the crotch. Even if there are reasons for anger, none of my rage or yours will be quenched by a Donald Trump presidency.

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Edwin Lyngar

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I've been with him loudly and passionately, but won't be part of destroying this party in the fall.

so instead of the 'people' wresting back power from an establishment filled power structure, you will tuck your tail and hide for fear of the terrible evil that the opposition will do? nice principles.
 
Oh where's your sense of humor Ken? The Dems have the same problem, though not quite to the degree of GOP circus train, of the party establishment feeding like hogs from the K-Street trough and not working for the voters they represent. If it were not for the Democrats artificially engineered super delegates of party establishment hacks this would still be a very close race between the two. So the sooner someone like Bernie does to the Democratic party what Trump is currently doing to the GOP the better off this whole nation would be.

The best possible outcome for this election would be Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump. Both Parties would be getting a public kick in the ass from the voters and by golly it will get their attention. It may not be enough to force them to actually serve the people who elected them but it would be a good start in the right direction.
 
I understand the rage percolating through the electorate, driving the candidacies of both Sanders and Trump. I’m angry too. I haven’t had a decent raise in years. Our employers often express an attitude that our fundamental humanity can be reduced to a dollar amount. Capitalism is broken and dehumanizing, our democracy is perverted by racism and voter suppression, but are things all bad?
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this is what happens when a movement overtakes a stale, unresponsive, corptocratic establishment.
Power to the People -not the plutocracy.
 
i can smell the panic from the clinton people

if you check reddit the trump and sanders people are very friendly to each other :)
 
Oh where's your sense of humor Ken? The Dems have the same problem, though not quite to the degree of GOP circus train, of the party establishment feeding like hogs from the K-Street trough and not working for the voters they represent. If it were not for the Democrats artificially engineered super delegates of party establishment hacks this would still be a very close race between the two. So the sooner someone like Bernie does to the Democratic party what Trump is currently doing to the GOP the better off this whole nation would be.

The best possible outcome for this election would be Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump. Both Parties would be getting a public kick in the ass from the voters and by golly it will get their attention. It may not be enough to force them to actually serve the people who elected them but it would be a good start in the right direction.

I'm not worried about what Bernie does to the Democrat party as much as I'm concerned about what his beliefs and views on things would do to destroy the country. Much of the support for Bernie Sanders comes from younger voters. That's not a shock looking at what he proposes. They're the ones that benefit from what he wants yet aren't the ones paying for it. Why would anyone be shocked that a younger person, particularly college age, would support him knowing his view on college and tuition? They look at life in the way people view using someone else's credit card. You get what you want and don't have to pay for it.
 
I'm not worried about what Bernie does to the Democrat party as much as I'm concerned about what his beliefs and views on things would do to destroy the country. Much of the support for Bernie Sanders comes from younger voters. That's not a shock looking at what he proposes. They're the ones that benefit from what he wants yet aren't the ones paying for it. Why would anyone be shocked that a younger person, particularly college age, would support him knowing his view on college and tuition? They look at life in the way people view using someone else's credit card. You get what you want and don't have to pay for it.
Meh....if W couldn't destroy this nation then someone like Bernie who is light years more competent than W would hardly be a threat. As I've said to you a million times before CFM, don't exaggerate.
 
Meh....if W couldn't destroy this nation then someone like Bernie who is light years more competent than W would hardly be a threat. As I've said to you a million times before CFM, don't exaggerate.

Bernie is not all that competent. I mean I respect him in the sense that he is pretty honest for a politician and stands by what he believes. I give him credit for that. I respect the passion his supporters have for him.

But when reading interviews with him that delve deeper than just surface level comments 'Wall St is bad' and 'break up big banks' there's surprisingly not a whole lot of depth there.
 
Bernie is not all that competent. I mean I respect him in the sense that he is pretty honest for a politician and stands by what he believes. I give him credit for that. I respect the passion his supporters have for him.

But when reading interviews with him that delve deeper than just surface level comments 'Wall St is bad' and 'break up big banks' there's surprisingly not a whole lot of depth there.
in that sense Bernie is like Trump..I realize you are no fan of either.

What does a resume' like Clinton's get us? crappy judgment ,the same old base politics -
you can already see she's gonna do the identity politics, and spent billions to solve every little 'problem'.

It's politics as the same thing -with a crappier candidate..

Roll the dice -the game is rigged anyhow.. all you can do at worst is come up snake eyes
 
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