Solution to Illegal Immigration Problem...

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Dixie - In Memoriam

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I know the left doesn't want to hear any solution short of granting them all amnesty and giving them a Democratic Party voter registration card, and the hardcore right will say we need to have a mass deportation.... but, the situation is, we have over 10 million illegal aliens currently residing in the US, and eventually, we will have to address this problem.

I agree with those who think we need to secure the borders. Before we can even discuss anything else, that should be our first and foremost priority. That being said, what is next? What do we do about all of these people, many with families, who now live in our country illegally? Deportation is just not possible, we will never be able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. It's just not a practical or realistic solution. So we have to figure out how we can mitigate this problem in a realistic way.

Here is what I propose. We currently allow a certain number of legal migrations to the US from Mexico. I think the number is 2 million per year, but I am not positive. Let's assume the number is 2 million, for the sake of this argument. First, we have to document as many illegal residents as possible, so we allow 6 months or so, for all illegal residents to register. Once we have a firm handle on just how many there are, we can proceed from there with a plan. Let's assume we find there are 12 million illegal aliens living here. We would need to "freeze" or declare a moratorium on legal migration from Mexico, for the next 6 years... (6x 2 million = 12 million.) During this time, in order of how they registered, we will count the current illegal residents as legal migrants, and allow them to follow the process of becoming US citizens, as a legal migrant would normally do. In the end, the numbers would all work out the same, and we've transformed the illegals into legal migration to the US.

That's my plan. No one gets deported, unless they simply fail or refuse to register. No one gets left behind, or has to uproot their family. Businesses that depend on the illegals as labor, are not inconvenienced. But before we can even start to implement this plan, we must first stop the flow. We have to seal the borders first.
 
Dixie you're so full of shit. It's you on the right who keep wanting to put band aids on the problem cause it is the right that wants to undermine the American middle class standard of living for working people with your rush to the bottom by undercutting our labor market with poor third world labor.

How about this simple solution Dixie. How about we enforce the laws on the book? How about in addition to that we throw any employer who hires an illegal in jail for 6 months and fine them $10,000 for each occurrence?
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Dixie you're so full of shit. It's you on the right who keep wanting to put band aids on the problem cause it is the right that wants to undermine the American middle class standard of living for working people with your rush to the bottom by undercutting our labor market with poor third world labor.

How about this simple solution Dixie. How about we enforce the laws on the book? How about in addition to that we throw any employer who hires an illegal in jail for 6 months and fine them $10,000 for each occurrence?
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sounds like a great idea to me... But what do i know, i'm full of shit!
 
So for 6 years we allow absolutely no immigration from Mexico? And you think this is going to STOP illegal immigration?
 
Dixie said:
I know the left doesn't want to hear any solution short of granting them all amnesty and giving them a Democratic Party voter registration card, and the hardcore right will say we need to have a mass deportation.... but, the situation is, we have over 10 million illegal aliens currently residing in the US, and eventually, we will have to address this problem.

I agree with those who think we need to secure the borders. Before we can even discuss anything else, that should be our first and foremost priority. That being said, what is next? What do we do about all of these people, many with families, who now live in our country illegally? Deportation is just not possible, we will never be able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. It's just not a practical or realistic solution. So we have to figure out how we can mitigate this problem in a realistic way.

Here is what I propose. We currently allow a certain number of legal migrations to the US from Mexico. I think the number is 2 million per year, but I am not positive. Let's assume the number is 2 million, for the sake of this argument. First, we have to document as many illegal residents as possible, so we allow 6 months or so, for all illegal residents to register. Once we have a firm handle on just how many there are, we can proceed from there with a plan. Let's assume we find there are 12 million illegal aliens living here. We would need to "freeze" or declare a moratorium on legal migration from Mexico, for the next 6 years... (6x 2 million = 12 million.) During this time, in order of how they registered, we will count the current illegal residents as legal migrants, and allow them to follow the process of becoming US citizens, as a legal migrant would normally do. In the end, the numbers would all work out the same, and we've transformed the illegals into legal migration to the US.

That's my plan. No one gets deported, unless they simply fail or refuse to register. No one gets left behind, or has to uproot their family. Businesses that depend on the illegals as labor, are not inconvenienced. But before we can even start to implement this plan, we must first stop the flow. We have to seal the borders first.
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How about we stop the welfare, and also do what Mott suggested.:cof1:
 
In this order~~~


1. Get aggressive with enforcement on the border; includes finishing fence.

2. Follow Western Europe in refusing anchor baby status.

3. Create a healthy guest workers visa program

4. Increase fines and punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegals

5. Allow more legal immigration from our southern borders.

6. Allow a path to citizenship for those illegals who have not acted criminally. This could constitute fines and back of the line... etc
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Dixie you're so full of shit. It's you on the right who keep wanting to put band aids on the problem cause it is the right that wants to undermine the American middle class standard of living for working people with your rush to the bottom by undercutting our labor market with poor third world labor.

How about this simple solution Dixie. How about we enforce the laws on the book? How about in addition to that we throw any employer who hires an illegal in jail for 6 months and fine them $10,000 for each occurrence?
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Man, are you one ignorant muther fucker

Obama's DOJ is trying to stop the Arizona law that penalizes employers. You are so uninformed it's laughable. No wonder you're a global warmer.

You fail, incompetent liberal
 
Mass deportation is possible. And worthwhile. It's what a real country would do. Let's not be wusses, or sellouts to corporate america wanting to drive down wages with immigration policy manipulation.
 
But who will mow the lawns of the rich, watch and care for senior citizens and well to do babies, clean the houses of the upper class, and most all serve as a foil as corporations outsource America for a fast buck!
 
midcan5 said:
But who will mow the lawns of the rich, watch and care for senior citizens and well to do babies, clean the houses of the upper class, and most all serve as a foil as corporations outsource America for a fast buck!
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Those wages for those jobs will raise until citizens do them. Americans are not opposed to manual labor it's that we need to be able to live on it. ENFORCING the border is not the labor market manipulation, destroying it is. BAM. The truth.
 
The wall or fence is fine for our immgration problem. But it is death for the environment along the border.

The Rio Grande is the only source of water for much of that region. Other than birds, the wall would remove all access to water for the animals along the hundreds of miles.
 
WinterBorn said:
The wall or fence is fine for our immgration problem. But it is death for the environment along the border.

The Rio Grande is the only source of water for much of that region. Other than birds, the wall would remove all access to water for the animals along the hundreds of miles.
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We can do a high tech virtual wall that does infrared imaging and can identify humanoid shapes, and will only destroy those, letting animal morphic entitities pass by unfettered.
 
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Unless you look Hispanic.
 
El Toro Bravo said:
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Unless you look Hispanic.
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This is not our official immigration policy, it's just a poem.

And even if we had lots of immigration in the past, that doesn't mean we can't have a lesser immigration policy going forward. Nations reserve the right to set immigration policy as it sees fit, and in the "new normal" with america's economy put on extinguish due to global justice, a new labor glut will most certainly merely continue to drive down the standard of living.
 
Dixie said:
I know the left doesn't want to hear any solution short of granting them all amnesty and giving them a Democratic Party voter registration card, and the hardcore right will say we need to have a mass deportation.... but, the situation is, we have over 10 million illegal aliens currently residing in the US, and eventually, we will have to address this problem.

I agree with those who think we need to secure the borders. Before we can even discuss anything else, that should be our first and foremost priority. That being said, what is next? What do we do about all of these people, many with families, who now live in our country illegally? Deportation is just not possible, we will never be able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. It's just not a practical or realistic solution. So we have to figure out how we can mitigate this problem in a realistic way.

Here is what I propose. We currently allow a certain number of legal migrations to the US from Mexico. I think the number is 2 million per year, but I am not positive. Let's assume the number is 2 million, for the sake of this argument. First, we have to document as many illegal residents as possible, so we allow 6 months or so, for all illegal residents to register. Once we have a firm handle on just how many there are, we can proceed from there with a plan. Let's assume we find there are 12 million illegal aliens living here. We would need to "freeze" or declare a moratorium on legal migration from Mexico, for the next 6 years... (6x 2 million = 12 million.) During this time, in order of how they registered, we will count the current illegal residents as legal migrants, and allow them to follow the process of becoming US citizens, as a legal migrant would normally do. In the end, the numbers would all work out the same, and we've transformed the illegals into legal migration to the US.

That's my plan. No one gets deported, unless they simply fail or refuse to register. No one gets left behind, or has to uproot their family. Businesses that depend on the illegals as labor, are not inconvenienced. But before we can even start to implement this plan, we must first stop the flow. We have to seal the borders first.
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The pretty obvious problem with that is that it DIRECTLY punishes people who want to legally immigrate, and DIRECTLY puts the illegals in front of the line. That's not going to fly.

And actually we all 1 million immigrants in total from all nations. Mexico probably provides a great deal of those. But it'd take decades to have all of our illegal immigrants naturalized under your plan, and it would also encourage people to illegally immigrate in order to take advantage of it (so you'd definitely have to have much tougher enforcement of the border for it to work).

Also, many illegal immigrants are just looking for jobs and don't really want to be American citizens. Of course, if they stay here long enough they get attached, have children who are citizens, and the children and the later generations become increasingly Americanized.

And, as my last point, I'm not sure that hispanics are going to be a solid base for Democrats forever. They're certainly very religious.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Dixie you're so full of shit. It's you on the right who keep wanting to put band aids on the problem cause it is the right that wants to undermine the American middle class standard of living for working people with your rush to the bottom by undercutting our labor market with poor third world labor.

How about this simple solution Dixie. How about we enforce the laws on the book? How about in addition to that we throw any employer who hires an illegal in jail for 6 months and fine them $10,000 for each occurrence?
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Even if we crack down heavily on official jobs there's still going to be lots of under the table work that will be very difficult to detect. Also, if we managed to actually get rid of illegals entire livelihood we'd have to make some plan to get them back to Mexico.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
The wall I suggested would sure stop it, or at least 99.9% of it, and it would put Americans to work.
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In the long run immigration creates jobs and improves the livelihood of the average American. We are still one of the least population dense countries in the world, we can afford immigration.
 
Wickedjews said:
The pretty obvious problem with that is that it DIRECTLY punishes people who want to legally immigrate, and DIRECTLY puts the illegals in front of the line. That's not going to fly.

And actually we all 1 million immigrants in total from all nations. Mexico probably provides a great deal of those. But it'd take decades to have all of our illegal immigrants naturalized under your plan, and it would also encourage people to illegally immigrate in order to take advantage of it (so you'd definitely have to have much tougher enforcement of the border for it to work).

Also, many illegal immigrants are just looking for jobs and don't really want to be American citizens. Of course, if they stay here long enough they get attached, have children who are citizens, and the children and the later generations become increasingly Americanized.

And, as my last point, I'm not sure that hispanics are going to be a solid base for Democrats forever. They're certainly very religious.
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They're also not as stupid or gullible as Liberals would like to protray them as.
 
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