so what's the big difference here?

[Billy the Great Khan]

First off...to get a warrant, you need just cause.... second, you have to go in front if a judge...third....no one is doing this thinking you are harboring someone intentionally.... they are doing it thinking he may be in your home or on your property without you knowing it

Doesn't matter, the law is the law. They need a fucking warrant if they want to search my shit.

And in the case of the Boston bomber...he was in someone's property....outside the perimeter they had established...but on someone's property and in someone's property.

See above. If they knew where he was, a warrant would be an easy thing. I've seen them issues in less than 45 minutes.

 

[Steelplate]

Doesn't matter, the law is the law. They need a fucking warrant if they want to search my shit.
See above. If they knew where he was, a warrant would be an easy thing. I've seen them issues in less than 45 minutes.

They don't "need" a warrant unless you refuse to let them in. Apparently, those people aren't as insane(or have shit to hide) like you and STY and let them in.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

They don't "need" a warrant unless you refuse to let them in. Apparently, those people aren't as insane(or have shit to hide) like you and STY and let them in.

So peolpe who have nothing to hide should openly welcome the police into their homes? Well if that's the case you'd be fine with them wiretapping you, and reading your emails, and putting surveillance devices on your car right? I mean, you have nothing to hide.

 

[Steelplate]

So peolpe who have nothing to hide should openly welcome the police into their homes? Well if that's the case you'd be fine with them wiretapping you, and reading your emails, and putting surveillance devices on your car right? I mean, you have nothing to hide.

Change the goalpost much? The people obviously have a choice in the matter. If their choice disturbs you, I would say that's your problem.

As far as the surveillance BS? that's not what we were discussing....it was manhunts and searching private property, wasn't it?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

1) you lie...I've seen the case being broadcast multiple times on many channels

2) if this dangerous person broke into your basement or an out building, you might not even know it. So...why do you want to harbor criminals?

you lie and why don't you know about your own property?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

First off...to get a warrant, you need just cause.... second, you have to go in front if a judge...third....no one is doing this thinking you are harboring someone intentionally.... they are doing it thinking he may be in your home or on your property without you knowing it.

so that whole 'just cause' thing is fluff? something to make you feel better about ignoring peoples privacy rights?

And in the case of the Boston bomber...he was in someone's property....outside the perimeter they had established...but on someone's property and in someone's property.

the POLICE were tipped off by a CIVILIAN and had the property then surrounded. he was going nowhere and there was all the time in the world to get a warrant.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

They don't "need" a warrant unless you refuse to let them in. Apparently, those people aren't as insane(or have shit to hide) like you and STY and let them in.

isn't it awesome that demanding your RIGHTS be respected makes one insane? the founders would have exiled you with the british.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Change the goalpost much? The people obviously have a choice in the matter. If their choice disturbs you, I would say that's your problem.

As far as the surveillance BS? that's not what we were discussing....it was manhunts and searching private property, wasn't it?

It's the precedent set. Tell me how they're different.

 

[Howey]

I wonder at what point in our nation's recent history did a number of our citizens become so hateful towards our first responder?

 

[Phantasmal]

I wonder at what point in our nation's recent history did a number of our citizens become so hateful towards our first responder?

I think it is the average age of our forum members. I was really anti authority growing up, now I don't feel threatened by them.