Single Family Zoning

[cawacko]

I listened to an interview recently Leah Rothstein. Her father is Richard Rothstein who wrote 'The Color of Law'. They have written a new book called "Just Action: How To Challenge Segregation Enacted Under the Color of Law".

She says single family zoning is the single biggest policy reason for the economic disparity between races. She said white people have the highest percentage of property ownership and see it as their retirement nest egg and therefore to keep their property values high will do everything they can to stop housing policies that would help minorities and the poor.

It's interesting that with How To Be An Anti-Racist being a best seller and the whole debate over wokeness and being aware of historical injustices how little housing policy and specifically single family zoning gets discussed. On on hand it's understandable in the sense a home is usually the largest purchase most people will make (and who wants to lose money on their largest purchase). But it also seems people want to give lip service to historical racism and systemic racism but not actually go after it where it (as they believe) could affect them (i.e. hurt their property values).

Out of curiosity has anyone had or seen this debate in their neighborhood (eliminating single family zoning)? If yes, what's your experience with it been?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I listened to an interview recently Leah Rothstein. Her father is Richard Rothstein who wrote 'The Color of Law'. They have written a new book called "Just Action: How To Challenge Segregation Enacted Under the Color of Law".

She says single family zoning is the single biggest policy reason for the economic disparity between races. She said white people have the highest percentage of property ownership and see it as their retirement nest egg and therefore to keep their property values high will do everything they can to stop housing policies that would help minorities and the poor.

It's interesting that with How To Be An Anti-Racist being a best seller and the whole debate over wokeness and being aware of historical injustices how little housing policy and specifically single family zoning gets discussed. On on hand it's understandable in the sense a home is usually the largest purchase most people will make (and who wants to lose money on their largest purchase). But it also seems people want to give lip service to historical racism and systemic racism but not actually go after it where it (as they believe) could affect them (i.e. hurt their property values).

Out of curiosity has anyone had or seen this debate in their neighborhood (eliminating single family zoning)? If yes, what's your experience with it been?

Leah Rothstein

She's a retard. Nobody cares who is a home owner in a particular area, until:

The homes become owned by absentee landlords, or slum lords, who move in marginal renters that trash the home.
The area the neighborhood is in declines, crime and decay increase, and the area becomes less desirable.

You want the number 1 reason a single family home neighborhood declines? Section 8 renters. The second reason today is owners who default on their mortgage(s) and squatters that move in illegally. A squatter can take months to evict at a cost of thousands of dollars. The house they were squatting in is trashed in the process.

Another is that some of the homes become 'group homes' where addicts, the mentally ill, or other potentially dangerous people reside being paid for by the state.

The owner tries to run a business out of the home that is unsuited for residential areas like, a garage. Or, a salvage yard. Or, a junk yard. Or, a perpetual garage sale, as but a few examples

Segregation and minority ownership are bullshit reasons for the decline. Rothstein is a fucking retard.

 

[anonymoose]

I listened to an interview recently Leah Rothstein. Her father is Richard Rothstein who wrote 'The Color of Law'. They have written a new book called "Just Action: How To Challenge Segregation Enacted Under the Color of Law".

She says single family zoning is the single biggest policy reason for the economic disparity between races. She said white people have the highest percentage of property ownership and see it as their retirement nest egg and therefore to keep their property values high will do everything they can to stop housing policies that would help minorities and the poor.

It's interesting that with How To Be An Anti-Racist being a best seller and the whole debate over wokeness and being aware of historical injustices how little housing policy and specifically single family zoning gets discussed. On on hand it's understandable in the sense a home is usually the largest purchase most people will make (and who wants to lose money on their largest purchase). But it also seems people want to give lip service to historical racism and systemic racism but not actually go after it where it (as they believe) could affect them (i.e. hurt their property values).

Out of curiosity has anyone had or seen this debate in their neighborhood (eliminating single family zoning)? If yes, what's your experience with it been?

I’m not sure how trying to protect the value of one’s property is rayciss. Maybe you can splain. It has been splained to me how advocating a healthy diet is rayciss. It was difficult for me to understand at first but now I get it.
No doubt I’m a pedo nazi , WSE, MAGAite.

 

[cawacko]

Leah Rothstein

She's a retard. Nobody cares who is a home owner in a particular area, until:

The homes become owned by absentee landlords, or slum lords, who move in marginal renters that trash the home.
The area the neighborhood is in declines, crime and decay increase, and the area becomes less desirable.

You want the number 1 reason a single family home neighborhood declines? Section 8 renters. The second reason today is owners who default on their mortgage(s) and squatters that move in illegally. A squatter can take months to evict at a cost of thousands of dollars. The house they were squatting in is trashed in the process.

Another is that some of the homes become 'group homes' where addicts, the mentally ill, or other potentially dangerous people reside being paid for by the state.

The owner tries to run a business out of the home that is unsuited for residential areas like, a garage. Or, a salvage yard. Or, a junk yard. Or, a perpetual garage sale, as but a few examples

Segregation and minority ownership are bullshit reasons for the decline. Rothstein is a fucking retard.

Single family zoning was created as a way to separate people by race and class. Maybe someone will put a different spin or perspective on it but that's the history I understand. Thus the movement to eliminate it in certain cities. I go back to the point of those who give lip service to the claim of America is racist and systemic racism but are ok with single family zoning.

How neighborhoods are maintained can be an important discussion but it is a separate discussion.

 

[cawacko]

I’m not sure how trying to protect the value of one’s property is rayciss. Maybe you can splain. It has been splained to me how advocating a healthy diet is rayciss. It was difficult for me to understand at first but now I get it.
No doubt I’m a pedo nazi , WSE, MAGAite.

There's nuance over the discussion of maintaining property values. Wanting people to keep up their homes and not have trap houses in the neighborhood etc. is one thing. The scourge of NIMBYism is another. NIMBYism is a big fvck you from current property owners to everyone else. That's where single family zoning and environmental laws prevent new development that would allow more people the opportunity to own. But it hurts everyone as it makes our economy less dynamic as exorbitant costs prevent people from moving etc.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Is rapidly going away, the Revolution insists upon it.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Under this Revolution the peasants are not to be allowed nice things, which follows from WOKE being at core Anti-Human.....your misery is a feature not a bug.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Single family zoning was created as a way to separate people by race and class. Maybe someone will put a different spin or perspective on it but that's the history I understand. Thus the movement to eliminate it in certain cities. I go back to the point of those who give lip service to the claim of America is racist and systemic racism but are ok with single family zoning.

How neighborhoods are maintained can be an important discussion but it is a separate discussion.

This is so full of shit it hurts.

Two things made the rise in single-family housing:

1. An auto /car centric society where you could go far greater distances to work and do whatever. No need to live in a cramped, high density city when you can drive 20 to 50 miles to work easily.

2. The rise of the middle class, particularly after WW 2 where there were far more people with means to buy a home.

 

[cawacko]

Under this Revolution the peasants are not to be allowed nice things, which follows from WOKE being at core Anti-Human.....your misery is a feature not a bug.

This is some Orwell speak right there. Single family zoning keeps the working class and regular folks out of nice neighborhoods. But if you want to join with the rich liberals (you know, the WOKE folk) and protect their neighborhoods and property values that is your right.

 

[cawacko]

This is so full of shit it hurts.

Two things made the rise in single-family housing:

1. An auto /car centric society where you could go far greater distances to work and do whatever. No need to live in a cramped, high density city when you can drive 20 to 50 miles to work easily.

2. The rise of the middle class, particularly after WW 2 where there were far more people with means to buy a home.

We're talking neighborhoods being zoned for only single family housing, it's not saying single family housing is a bad thing or shouldn't exist

 

[Hawkeye10]

This is some Orwell speak right there. Single family zoning keeps the working class and regular folks out of nice neighborhoods. But if you want to join with the rich liberals (you know, the WOKE folk) and protect their neighborhoods and property values that is your right.

Being single family housing is what makes the neighborhoods a joy to live in, which is why they must be murdered.

And WOKE is illiberal....Anti-liberal....the opposite of liberal....and they cant stand liberals....liberalism is going away as well.....to a great extent already has.

 

[cawacko]

Being single family housing is what makes the neighborhoods a joy to live in, which is why they must be murdered.

And WOKE is illiberal....Anti-liberal....the opposite of liberal....and they cant stand liberals....liberalism is going away as well.....to a great extent already has.

So again, you're joining the woke liberal elite in the joy of NIMBYism. NIMBYism may be the last great bi-partisan thing that brings folks together.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The extent to which people dont know or wont admit (lie) that the WOKE are not liberals is one of your signs that America is going down....HARD.

Stupid gets punished by the Universe.

 

[Hawkeye10]

So again, you're joining the woke liberal elite in the joy of NIMBYism. NIMBYism may be the last great bi-partisan thing that brings folks together.

"WOKE liberal elites" is gibberish.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

We're talking neighborhoods being zoned for only single family housing, it's not saying single family housing is a bad thing or shouldn't exist

But you are saying it's both racist and elitist. Neither is true. What makes a neighborhood decline isn't the ethnicity or exclusiveness, but rather letting scum, losers, criminals, and slum lords into it.

 

[anonymoose]

We're talking neighborhoods being zoned for only single family housing, it's not saying single family housing is a bad thing or shouldn't exist

Sure sounds like you’re saying that.
TBH, I have to side with homeowners that don’t want to rezone. If I buy a house zoned for single family housing and it’s rezoned , I feel like I got screwed. It’s not what I bought into.
OTOH, if my neighborhood gets more dense I suspect that my little enclave would go up in value. What would a 1/4 acre lot with a ranch house be worth in the middle of Manhattan?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Sure sounds like you’re saying that.
TBH, I have to side with homeowners that don’t want to rezone. If I buy a house zoned for single family housing and it’s rezoned , I feel like I got screwed. It’s not what I bought into.
OTOH, if my neighborhood gets more dense I suspect that my little enclave would go up in value. What would a 1/4 acre lot with a ranch house be worth in the middle of Manhattan?

If I were rezoned for multi-family housing in the neighborhood I live in, I'd build--myself--additional units on the lot along with convert my basement into a separate 2 bedroom unit then sell the resulting property for well over a million dollars and move to a more exclusive neighborhood. I wouldn't give a shit about doing so either. Fuck the government for their asinine decisions. I could do it for chump change too because I'm what you call an 'expert.'

 

[cawacko]

But you are saying it's both racist and elitist. Neither is true. What makes a neighborhood decline isn't the ethnicity or exclusiveness, but rather letting scum, losers, criminals, and slum lords into it.

As the argument goes, the impetus for single family zoning comes from a racist and exclusionary place. I'm just repeating myself now but the author argues the biggest driver for racial inequality has been single family zoning. She called out white people for this. I added on that a subdivision of these white people are those who are very vocal about America's racism and systemic racism and the need to be woke to historical injustice yet go very silent about single family zoning (because as the author states, they care about their property values and think any changes will hurt those values - which she says isn't the case).

Separate of all that in certain parts of the country we have a housing crisis. Yet we will not let the market work and thus we keep supply from meeting demand. That's where zoning and NIMBYism come in. The straw man argument is people think in a neighborhood full of million dollar homes that someone is going to come in and build a high rise of public/section 8 housing. That's just not the case. What the elimination of single family zoning can do is allow for more duplexes, triplexes and quadplexes to be built. They aren't a panacea to stop the housing crisis in and of itself but they add much needed supply in areas without available land and they are at a slightly more affordable price point. (Affordable should be put in quotes because in many areas those properties will be out of the reach of large segments of the population.)

NIMBYism is by no means exclusive to Boomers but Boomers are the leaders of NIMBYism. Boomers bought homes at comparably far more affordable rates than today and now are like "fvck the rest of you..."

 

[cawacko]

Sure sounds like you’re saying that.
TBH, I have to side with homeowners that don’t want to rezone. If I buy a house zoned for single family housing and it’s rezoned , I feel like I got screwed. It’s not what I bought into.
OTOH, if my neighborhood gets more dense I suspect that my little enclave would go up in value. What would a 1/4 acre lot with a ranch house be worth in the middle of Manhattan?

Even if the bolded was the case there's nothing they can do about it. Builders aren't going to stop building single family homes and the government isn't going to start tearing down neighborhoods full of single family homes (unless it's an old rusted out City that no one lives in anymore).

You state the challenge. It's understandable that people move into a neighborhood and don't want to see change. But that doesn't work well when you have a growing population (and from a national perspective it makes our economy less dynamic - it's hurts us all).

I'll use California as an example. In the 70's people thought the state was overcrowded and put a bunch of anti-growth measures in place. Look at the state today, population increase exploded and those anti-growth measures caused the cost of living to skyrocket. The state went from a being a dynamic place to what you see today and the 'I don't want to see my area/neighborhood change' mindset played a huge role in it.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

But you are saying it's both racist and elitist. Neither is true. What makes a neighborhood decline isn't the ethnicity or exclusiveness, but rather letting scum, losers, criminals, and slum lords into it.

Yes right!

Let me just remind you that scum, losers, criminals, and slum lords live everywhere, even in the nicest places!