Sen. Chris Dodd (D) Will Not Seek Re-election

Damocles said:
And again, I'd like a list of those Republicans that quit in the middle of their campaigns giving almost no time for the person who has to take over like this...

(Obviously not Dodd).

We're waiting.
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I've already answered that one. Anything else?
 
Damocles said:
You ignore the swing status of CO and the importance they put on it.

However, with Ritter I still believe it is likely that there is something troubling about his involvement in the Voorhis issue during his campaign. The same issue that got Villafuerte to "withdraw" her nomination for US Attorney. It started hounding him the last half of last year, and Napolitano said she was going to get to the bottom of the issue just before her withdrawal and now Ritter's sudden departure from a race he had already started collecting funds to run...

But I am digressing. Way too many Congressmen and Senators are suddenly deciding not to run for coincidence. There is something going on in the background we aren't privy to yet.
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Great, damo, they've sucked out your mind and replaced it with the conspiracy mindset already. Impressive.
 
Watermark said:
Great, damo, they've sucked out your mind and replaced it with the conspiracy mindset already. Impressive.
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It isn't necessarily a conspiracy (nor are all conspiracies "false"). In 1994 it was the checking scandal that got them to quit in hordes, this is something else but it exists.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I've already answered that one. Anything else?
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Right, so we are then responsibly talking about the oddity of people quitting in the middle of campaigns, here is one article talking about it, and all you have is people who quit long ago, not in the middle of campaigns, and we have talked to death already. Your "point" is that because people quit in the past that these people quitting right in the middle of the campaign trail isn't odd and we should ignore stories that talk about it as a sign of something being a bit "off"?

Thanks. You offer much to this conversation.
 
Damocles said:
Right, so we are then responsibly talking about the oddity of people quitting in the middle of campaigns, here is one article talking about it, and all you have is people who quit long ago, not in the middle of campaigns, and we have talked to death already. Your "point" is that because people quit in the past that these people quitting right in the middle of the campaign trail isn't odd and we should ignore stories that talk about it as a sign of something being a bit "off"?

Thanks. You offer much to this conversation.
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Wow, you really knocked that strawman down.

I never once suggested that these announcement should be ignored. I just commented that stories about the number of Democrats deciding not to seek re-election as indicating signals of trouble for the Democrats are stupid in light of the fact that there are higher numbers of Republican deciding not to seek re-election.

You are free to dream up all sorts of fucked up weird ass conspiracies about the timing of the announcements.

One last point though, to suggest that the beginning of January is the "middle of the campaign trail" is pretty funny. Maybe for the presidential primary season but that's about it. What you have are people announcing that they won't run before the real campaigning actually gets underway.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Wow, you really knocked that strawman down.

I never once suggested that these announcement should be ignored. I just commented that stories about the number of Democrats deciding not to seek re-election as indicating signals of trouble for the Democrats are stupid in light of the fact that there are higher numbers of Republican deciding not to seek re-election.

You are free to dream up all sorts of fucked up weird ass conspiracies about the timing of the announcements.

One last point though, to suggest that the beginning of January is the "middle of the campaign trail" is pretty funny. Maybe for the presidential primary season but that's about it. What you have are people announcing that they won't run before the real campaigning actually gets underway.
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Are you kidding? What state regularly has people start announcing for Governor and Senate seats after January of the year of the actual election? I've known the players in the CO Governor and Senate races, and there have already been polls for them regularly reported, for about a year now, Superfreak and I have been talking about them openly on the board. But yeah, it isn't really the middle of the cycle, because two year cycles usually are split in the middle at 12 months before the election is held, not 11...

Maybe CO, and every other state I resided in while in the Navy, all are a bit more politically active than yours, but I doubt it.

You are dismissive of the importance of timing in election cycles, I understand that. It isn't my party that has incumbents cutting and running from campaigns they already filed for and had fund raisers for... at least not this time.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Wow, you really knocked that strawman down.

I never once suggested that these announcement should be ignored. I just commented that stories about the number of Democrats deciding not to seek re-election as indicating signals of trouble for the Democrats are stupid in light of the fact that there are higher numbers of Republican deciding not to seek re-election.

You are free to dream up all sorts of fucked up weird ass conspiracies about the timing of the announcements.

One last point though, to suggest that the beginning of January is the "middle of the campaign trail" is pretty funny. Maybe for the presidential primary season but that's about it. What you have are people announcing that they won't run before the real campaigning actually gets underway.
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that makes no sense.....it is obviously campaign season given our obsessive media, so let me ask you

when does real campaigning begin?
 
Damocles said:
Are you kidding? What state regularly has people start announcing for Governor and Senate seats after January of the year of the actual election? I've known the players in the CO Governor and Senate races, and there have already been polls for them regularly reported, for about a year now, Superfreak and I have been talking about them openly on the board. But yeah, it isn't really the middle of the cycle, because two year cycles usually are split in the middle at 12 months before the election is held, not 11...

Maybe CO, and every other state I resided in while in the Navy, all are a bit more politically active than yours, but I doubt it.

You are dismissive of the importance of timing in election cycles, I understand that. It isn't my party that has incumbents cutting and running from campaigns they already filed for and had fund raisers for... at least not this time.
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Sometimes Damo, I just want to shake your hand....


sometimes...
 
Damocles said:
Are you kidding? What state regularly has people start announcing for Governor and Senate seats after January of the year of the actual election? I've known the players in the CO Governor and Senate races, and there have already been polls for them regularly reported, for about a year now, Superfreak and I have been talking about them openly on the board. But yeah, it isn't really the middle of the cycle, because two year cycles usually are split in the middle at 12 months before the election is held, not 11...

Maybe CO, and every other state I resided in while in the Navy, all are a bit more politically active than yours, but I doubt it.

You are dismissive of the importance of timing in election cycles, I understand that. It isn't my party that has incumbents cutting and running from campaigns they already filed for and had fund raisers for... at least not this time.
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The campaign season isn't based on what political junkies are talking about. Hell, political junkies are talking about the Connecticut Senate race in 2012 in light of Blumenthal running in 2010 with Dodd retiring instead of against Lieberman in 2012.

There are plenty of places where candidates don't announce until after the new year. Massachusetts is an odd bird for national elections since the Democratic primaries usually decide the elections and incumbents are rarely primaried, but even in other states that I've lived in people, if they announce, generally aren't actively "on the campaign trail" until much later in the year.

Take the Delaware Senate seat formerly occupied by Joe Biden, not a single Democrat has announced their intention to run. And here we are in the middle of the campaign trail by your calendar.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The campaign season isn't based on what political junkies are talking about. Hell, political junkies are talking about the Connecticut Senate race in 2012 in light of Blumenthal running in 2010 with Dodd retiring instead of against Lieberman in 2012.

There are plenty of places where candidates don't announce until after the new year. Massachusetts is an odd bird for national elections since the Democratic primaries usually decide the elections and incumbents are rarely primaried, but even in other states that I've lived in people, if they announce, generally aren't actively "on the campaign trail" until much later in the year.

Take the Delaware Senate seat formerly occupied by Joe Biden, not a single Democrat has announced their intention to run. And here we are in the middle of the campaign trail by your calendar.
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When you say has not announced do you mean formally or even informally? For example, Jerry Brown has yet to announce he's running for Gov of California yet Gavin Newsom already dropped out due to lack of fundraising compared to Brown. Now maybe Gov is different than the Senate but candidates often run without initial formal announcement as I know you know.
 
wanderingbear said:
Sen.Dodd has been around a long time He deserves his retirement.
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Well that and he had no shot. The only shot at a D holding that seat was for him to quit.

Dodd was no surprise, it is the many others who actually are surprising that people are talking about.
 
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