Scientist says, "pot is a gateway drug...

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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/is-weed-really-bad-for-you-20130610

As pot activists fight for full legalization, the drug warriors who oppose them have long sought their own elusive grail: conclusive, scientific proof that marijuana poses significant health risks. The only problem? An unshakable dependence on flawed studies. "Much of what we believe in this society about drugs is just bullshit," says Columbia University professor Carl Hart. "And we as scientists have been complicit." Luckily, there's a new generation of researchers pushing back against these oft-repeated prohibitionist canards.


Weed Issue: Rolling Stone's Special Coverage of Marijuana in America


MYTH: Pot ruins the teenage brain
This drug-warrior talking point has gained such traction recently that even respectable liberals like New York Times columnist Bill Keller regurgitate it as a self-evident truth. The only basis for this are shoddy reports like a recent international study purporting to link adolescent marijuana use with long-term IQ decline. "Do the authors believe that cannabis is the only thing that could affect your IQ between the ages of 13 and 38?" asks Norwegian economist Ole Røgeberg. "That puzzled me."


MYTH: Pot can make you schizophrenic or depressed
Other studies have tried to engineer even bigger scares, claiming to demonstrate a connection between smoking pot as a teen and serious mental illnesses like depression or schizophrenia later on. "Give me a break," says Hart. "You look at these studies and see how they determine psychosis – it's a joke." The same old logical fallacies show up here, too. "Which came first?" asks Suzi Gage, a Ph.D. student at the University of Bristol. "Did the cannabis use precede the mental-health problems, or is it that people who are psychotic use cannabis to self-medicate?"


MYTH: Pot destroys your memory
Hart's research actually suggests the opposite: Temporary short-term memory loss was worst among inexperienced smokers, but regular stoners showed no serious decrease in cognitive function. "Just like any other drug, if you let tolerance develop, you decrease a lot of the negative effects," he says.


MYTH: Pot is a gateway to harder drugs
Anti-drug zealots want you to think that if your honors-student daughter takes a couple of hits off a joint over spring break, she'll probably be passed out in an alley with a needle sticking out of her arm by Labor Day. "Most people who try it don't even continue smoking marijuana," says Hart. "You might as well argue that pot is a gateway drug to get in the White House."


MYTH: Pot is dangerous even in moderation
Columbia University professor Meg Haney has been studying marijuana addiction since the Nineties, focusing on the relatively small fraction of smokers who do become dependent. The good news for everyone else: "If somebody is smoking one or two joints a week," says Haney, "the consequences are probably going to be very, very, very minimal."


MYTH: Pot has no medical benefits
Dismissing the very idea of marijuana as medicine is key to the prohibitionist agenda. Leaving aside years of anecdotal and clinical support for pot's effectiveness in relieving chronic pain, nausea, glaucoma and more, there is fresh evidence that the active compounds in marijuana can actually kill cancer cells. Guillermo Velasco, a professor at Madrid's Complutense University, has found that THC has a powerful tumor-shrinking effect in rodents with breast, liver, pancreatic and brain cancers. Next, he hopes to test the hypothesis on people. "I think we'll see clinical trials in the next five years," says Velasco. "Cannabinoids also ameliorate the side effects of chemotherapy, so they could make patients feel better in general."


This story is from the June 20th, 2013 issue of Rolling Stone.
 
to get in the White House."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/is-weed-really-bad-for-you-20130610

As pot activists fight for full legalization, the drug warriors who oppose them have long sought their own elusive grail: conclusive, scientific proof that marijuana poses significant health risks. The only problem? An unshakable dependence on flawed studies. "Much of what we believe in this society about drugs is just bullshit," says Columbia University professor Carl Hart. "And we as scientists have been complicit." Luckily, there's a new generation of researchers pushing back against these oft-repeated prohibitionist canards.


Weed Issue: Rolling Stone's Special Coverage of Marijuana in America


MYTH: Pot ruins the teenage brain
This drug-warrior talking point has gained such traction recently that even respectable liberals like New York Times columnist Bill Keller regurgitate it as a self-evident truth. The only basis for this are shoddy reports like a recent international study purporting to link adolescent marijuana use with long-term IQ decline. "Do the authors believe that cannabis is the only thing that could affect your IQ between the ages of 13 and 38?" asks Norwegian economist Ole Røgeberg. "That puzzled me."


MYTH: Pot can make you schizophrenic or depressed
Other studies have tried to engineer even bigger scares, claiming to demonstrate a connection between smoking pot as a teen and serious mental illnesses like depression or schizophrenia later on. "Give me a break," says Hart. "You look at these studies and see how they determine psychosis – it's a joke." The same old logical fallacies show up here, too. "Which came first?" asks Suzi Gage, a Ph.D. student at the University of Bristol. "Did the cannabis use precede the mental-health problems, or is it that people who are psychotic use cannabis to self-medicate?"


MYTH: Pot destroys your memory
Hart's research actually suggests the opposite: Temporary short-term memory loss was worst among inexperienced smokers, but regular stoners showed no serious decrease in cognitive function. "Just like any other drug, if you let tolerance develop, you decrease a lot of the negative effects," he says.


MYTH: Pot is a gateway to harder drugs
Anti-drug zealots want you to think that if your honors-student daughter takes a couple of hits off a joint over spring break, she'll probably be passed out in an alley with a needle sticking out of her arm by Labor Day. "Most people who try it don't even continue smoking marijuana," says Hart. "You might as well argue that pot is a gateway drug to get in the White House."


MYTH: Pot is dangerous even in moderation
Columbia University professor Meg Haney has been studying marijuana addiction since the Nineties, focusing on the relatively small fraction of smokers who do become dependent. The good news for everyone else: "If somebody is smoking one or two joints a week," says Haney, "the consequences are probably going to be very, very, very minimal."


MYTH: Pot has no medical benefits
Dismissing the very idea of marijuana as medicine is key to the prohibitionist agenda. Leaving aside years of anecdotal and clinical support for pot's effectiveness in relieving chronic pain, nausea, glaucoma and more, there is fresh evidence that the active compounds in marijuana can actually kill cancer cells. Guillermo Velasco, a professor at Madrid's Complutense University, has found that THC has a powerful tumor-shrinking effect in rodents with breast, liver, pancreatic and brain cancers. Next, he hopes to test the hypothesis on people. "I think we'll see clinical trials in the next five years," says Velasco. "Cannabinoids also ameliorate the side effects of chemotherapy, so they could make patients feel better in general."


This story is from the June 20th, 2013 issue of Rolling Stone.

the absence of rigorous studies of recreational drugs is due to government blockage of such studies

i think it is because of a desire of the government to provide cheap arrests when they cannot arrest someone for anything else

state governments are beginning (slowly) to catch on to this. prison guard unions have a vested interest in full prisons
 
ROFL

Pot is not dangerous, tell that to the six people in Philadelphia who died because a black excavator operator had marijuana in his system.
 
Most pot smokers are cross addicts either other drugs or alcohol. Weed is a psychotropic just like alchohol it distorts your motor skills just like alchohol its just as dangerous to OTHERS to drive under the influence of Weed or beer.
Deep inhaling weed has been proven to be as detrimental to your lungs and breathing health and capability as Weed. Weed is no super drug its a DRUG like any other. All the downsides are being downplayed by weed cheerleaders. ALL bs and I can produce studies and web istes to verify what I say. Its absurd to try and tell me being whacked on weed is safe BAN ALCOHOL dont legalize weed.
 
Most pot smokers are cross addicts either other drugs or alcohol. Weed is a psychotropic just like alchohol it distorts your motor skills just like alchohol its just as dangerous to OTHERS to drive under the influence of Weed or beer.
Deep inhaling weed has been proven to be as detrimental to your lungs and breathing health and capability as Weed. Weed is no super drug its a DRUG like any other. All the downsides are being downplayed by weed cheerleaders. ALL bs and I can produce studies and web istes to verify what I say. Its absurd to try and tell me being whacked on weed is safe BAN ALCOHOL dont legalize weed.

Good argument/perspective/point.

Look......if you want to ban weed......you have to ban alcohol. As long as people can compare the two, alcohol is always more dangerous.
 
Most pot smokers are cross addicts either other drugs or alcohol. Weed is a psychotropic just like alchohol it distorts your motor skills just like alchohol its just as dangerous to OTHERS to drive under the influence of Weed or beer.
Deep inhaling weed has been proven to be as detrimental to your lungs and breathing health and capability as Weed. Weed is no super drug its a DRUG like any other. All the downsides are being downplayed by weed cheerleaders. ALL bs and I can produce studies and web istes to verify what I say. Its absurd to try and tell me being whacked on weed is safe BAN ALCOHOL dont legalize weed.

if you want to get past inhaling weed smoke, use Buddha butter

as for legalizing mj, do the same as for alcohol, legalize responsible usage and make illegal usage just as illegal
 
Most pot smokers are cross addicts either other drugs or alcohol. Weed is a psychotropic just like alchohol it distorts your motor skills just like alchohol its just as dangerous to OTHERS to drive under the influence of Weed or beer.
Deep inhaling weed has been proven to be as detrimental to your lungs and breathing health and capability as Weed. Weed is no super drug its a DRUG like any other. All the downsides are being downplayed by weed cheerleaders. ALL bs and I can produce studies and web istes to verify what I say. Its absurd to try and tell me being whacked on weed is safe BAN ALCOHOL dont legalize weed.

Yeah, that worked out so well last time we tried it. I have a much better idea; fuck you. Let people smoke, drink, snort, or shoot up whatever they want.
 
During my time spent working with teenagers; many of them were frequent users of mj and in the majority of them had stunted emotional and intellectual growth.

It was almost like their development went into a stasis, around the time they started using.
Someone who was 12 when they started and was now 14, still acted like they were 12.

The positive part was that after being removed from the possibility of being able to smoke, their educational level and emotional level would improve dramatically.

I worked with a lot of kids that had stopped attending school, because they thought they couldn't do the work; but when they stopped smoking, they discovered that they were smarter then they thought they were.
Talking with them they would talk about what good grades they used to get, in the 7th or 8th grade; but how they lost interest in school, once they started smoking.

I personally don't care what adults do, as long as they are in control and not what they are doing.
Once someone discovers that they can't function, without their substance of choice, then they're not in control and the substance is.

So, for everone who keeps commenting on how certain substances should be legalized; please explain how you plan on keeping them out of the hands of juveniles.

By the way; with the internet, boys and girl clubs programs, etc; there is plenty of educational information out there, that already explains to kids what the problems are.
 
During my time spent working with teenagers; many of them were frequent users of mj and in the majority of them had stunted emotional and intellectual growth.

It was almost like their development went into a stasis, around the time they started using.
Someone who was 12 when they started and was now 14, still acted like they were 12.

The positive part was that after being removed from the possibility of being able to smoke, their educational level and emotional level would improve dramatically.

I worked with a lot of kids that had stopped attending school, because they thought they couldn't do the work; but when they stopped smoking, they discovered that they were smarter then they thought they were.
Talking with them they would talk about what good grades they used to get, in the 7th or 8th grade; but how they lost interest in school, once they started smoking.

I personally don't care what adults do, as long as they are in control and not what they are doing.
Once someone discovers that they can't function, without their substance of choice, then they're not in control and the substance is.

So, for everone who keeps commenting on how certain substances should be legalized; please explain how you plan on keeping them out of the hands of juveniles.

By the way; with the internet, boys and girl clubs programs, etc; there is plenty of educational information out there, that already explains to kids what the problems are.

The scattered anecdotes of some random moron versus research done by a scientist working in a prestigious institution. Hmmmm...

You are obviously too ignorant or too biased to even consider that there may be a joint cause. That is, the underlying loss of motivation and drug use may be caused by the same underlying problems. Your "evidence" is worthless.
 
The scattered anecdotes of some random moron versus research done by a scientist working in a prestigious institution. Hmmmm...

You are obviously too ignorant or too biased to even consider that there may be a joint cause. That is, the underlying loss of motivation and drug use may be caused by the same underlying problems. Your "evidence" is worthless.

I do find it interesting that rather then present something to oppose what was posted, you instead just choose to dismiss and denigrate it.
 
Most pot smokers are cross addicts either other drugs or alcohol. Weed is a psychotropic just like alchohol it distorts your motor skills just like alchohol its just as dangerous to OTHERS to drive under the influence of Weed or beer.
Deep inhaling weed has been proven to be as detrimental to your lungs and breathing health and capability as Weed. Weed is no super drug its a DRUG like any other. All the downsides are being downplayed by weed cheerleaders. ALL bs and I can produce studies and web istes to verify what I say. Its absurd to try and tell me being whacked on weed is safe BAN ALCOHOL dont legalize weed.

Are you a Scientoligist?

It does not have the same severe effects on motor skills as alcohol. That's just absurd and so outlandish it destroys your credibility. The proof that it has any significant effect on motor skills is rather thin and there is no conclusive proof that it causes significant lung problems.

You will cite some isolated and outdated bullshit that was probably never replicated. Not all science is equal.
 
I do find it interesting that rather then present something to oppose what was posted, you instead just choose to dismiss and denigrate it.

I did present something to oppose it. You failed to consider joint cause. You did not collect data in any sort of rigorous way and you are just referencing scattered anecdotal information. It's of no value.
 
I did present something to oppose it. You failed to consider joint cause. You did not collect data in any sort of rigorous way and you are just referencing scattered anecdotal information. It's of no value.

The only thing you presented, was your opinion with nothing to support it.
I never said that I collected the data.
I was giving voice to not only what I've experianced; but also what is supported by others.

A review of current literature suggests that the early initiation of marijuana use can have an impact on the following:

Memory, attention and learning

Early and continued use of marijuana can:

•Affect memory, attention and ability to think clearly, making it difficult to concentrate and learn new things;
•Affect movement and balance whilst intoxicated;
•Be associated with a moderate decrease in IQ in heavy current marijuana users.
These effects do not appear to continue once the person has stopped using marijuana.

Poorer school performance

While it is difficult to distinguish whether this is due to learning difficulties, lack of motivation or because marijuana users mix with peers who may be involved in a range of risk taking behaviours, using marijuana at an early age is independently associated with:

•Poorer school performance;
•Increased absent days;
•Increasing the risk of leaving school without any qualifications.
Problematic behaviours

Studies have shown that those who use marijuana from an early age are at risk of later developing problems, characterised by childhood hardships, social disadvantage, behavioural difficulties and problematic peer affiliations.

Using marijuana at an early age is also linked to higher risk taking behaviour such as:

•Higher levels of leaving the family home;
•Immature sexual activity, which can result in unplanned pregnancy;
•Higher levels of offending behaviour such as motor vehicle theft and break and enter offences to pay for their drug use.
Increased risk of mental health issues

Marijuana use has been linked to a range of mental health problems such as psychosis, depression or anxiety. The potential for depression and anxiety is increased because marijuana use from an early age is associated with learning difficulties, poorer educational outcomes and problematic behaviour.

Using marijuana from an early age places the person at risk of:

•Impaired emotional development;
•Increased risk of becoming more dissatisfied with their life;
•Increased likelihood to suffer from depression.


There are many more articles, addressing the same situations.
 
ROFL

Pot is not dangerous, tell that to the six people in Philadelphia who died because a black excavator operator had marijuana in his system.

the guy could have smoked pot up to a month earlier and it would still have shown up in tests. Yeah, he was totally baked!

You are an idiot
 
Not everybody is cool!
Some people get baked as shit in high school.
Then go on to lead the free world!
 
The only thing you presented, was your opinion with nothing to support it.
I never said that I collected the data.
I was giving voice to not only what I've experianced; but also what is supported by others.

It is not just my opinion. You did not consider the possibility of a joint cause. You did not collect data in any sort of orderly fashion. All I need is your post to support that. Your anecdotal evidence is of no value. Many kids will start acting out and self medicating through drugs or the sorts of behaviors of which their parents might disapprove (listening to wrong kind of music, wearing black clothes, too much makeup, etc..). Any idiot can predict that, if you only consider them against the kids that fly straight you are going to find differences in their other behaviors and they might seem to have more problems. But it's not proof that the behavior causes those things. Kids who turn to drugs of any kind or act out in rebellious ways are often troubled about something. So there is a high probability of a joint cause that you are failing to consider.

Your source is just an article prepared by the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre, an anti cannabis propaganda clearinghouse from Australia, that claims to cite studies, but does not provide any sources. There are studies claiming this and that for bad effects of Marijuana but none of them are conclusive and they have not proven to be easily replicated.

I am not saying that there are no drawbacks or ill effects of use. But they are trivial. Marijuana has been in frequent use by large numbers in this country for about 50 years. It stands to reason that if there were significant adverse effects they would have shown up by now. There would not be a bunch of isolated studies that have never been replicated.

For instance, there is no serious doubts about the effects of alcohol on motor skills. It is clear and evident and as the dosage is increased the effects clearly increase. That's not true with marijuana. The effects, if any, seem mild and don't correlate to an increase in dose.

“The Effects of Alcohol on Driver-Controlled Behavior in a Driving Simulator, Phase I,” DOT-HS-806-414
“Marijuana and Actual Performance,” DOT-HS-808-078

Now, I am sure you can find studies that say otherwise, but these findings should be easily replicated. The fact that they are not only proves that the effects are likely mild to non existent.

Again, with the levels of use, it stands to reason there would be something close to the 27 people that die every day due to drunk driving. But all you have is some racist retard trying to connect a guy that smoked marijuana in the recent past, but also tested positive for pain meds (which are detectable as long as thc).
 
It is not just my opinion. You did not consider the possibility of a joint cause. You did not collect data in any sort of orderly fashion. All I need is your post to support that. Your anecdotal evidence is of no value. Many kids will start acting out and self medicating through drugs or the sorts of behaviors of which their parents might disapprove (listening to wrong kind of music, wearing black clothes, too much makeup, etc..). Any idiot can predict that, if you only consider them against the kids that fly straight you are going to find differences in their other behaviors and they might seem to have more problems. But it's not proof that the behavior causes those things. Kids who turn to drugs of any kind or act out in rebellious ways are often troubled about something. So there is a high probability of a joint cause that you are failing to consider.

Your source is just an article prepared by the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre, an anti cannabis propaganda clearinghouse from Australia, that claims to cite studies, but does not provide any sources. There are studies claiming this and that for bad effects of Marijuana but none of them are conclusive and they have not proven to be easily replicated.

I am not saying that there are no drawbacks or ill effects of use. But they are trivial. Marijuana has been in frequent use by large numbers in this country for about 50 years. It stands to reason that if there were significant adverse effects they would have shown up by now. There would not be a bunch of isolated studies that have never been replicated.

For instance, there is no serious doubts about the effects of alcohol on motor skills. It is clear and evident and as the dosage is increased the effects clearly increase. That's not true with marijuana. The effects, if any, seem mild and don't correlate to an increase in dose.

“The Effects of Alcohol on Driver-Controlled Behavior in a Driving Simulator, Phase I,” DOT-HS-806-414
“Marijuana and Actual Performance,” DOT-HS-808-078

Now, I am sure you can find studies that say otherwise, but these findings should be easily replicated. The fact that they are not only proves that the effects are likely mild to non existent.

Again, with the levels of use, it stands to reason there would be something close to the 27 people that die every day due to drunk driving. But all you have is some racist retard trying to connect a guy that smoked marijuana in the recent past, but also tested positive for pain meds (which are detectable as long as thc).

My-my-my; such a long reply to such a short comment.

I've already said that I wasn't the one collecting the data.
I presented something and if you don't want to accept it, that's up to you.
I worked with the kids, I saw the results, and I saw the improvements.
 
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