Science for everyone!

Mott the Hoople

Sweet Jane
Finally, we now know where Dixe, PMP and Tinhat studied science;

Science for Everyone

Sound simple? It is.
Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property of a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science.
Today, all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is available to anyone. Popular science books, magazines and computer programs - with their simple, fatuous and misleading prose, their garish illustrations, their flimsy modern production values - have brought science within the reach of anyone who can afford their inflated prices or who can mooch off someone else.
Indeed, today a myriad of sources are available to explain science facts that science itself has never dreamed of.
This web site is one of them.

http://www.besse.at/sms/smsintro.html
 
Finally, we now know where Dixe, PMP and Tinhat studied science;
????.....have you reason to question anything I have said about science?......or is this simply another of your attempts to win arguments we haven't had by proclaiming your superior knowledge instead of demonstrating it.........
 
????.....have you reason to question anything I have said about science?......or is this simply another of your attempts to win arguments we haven't had by proclaiming your superior knowledge instead of demonstrating it.........

Demonstrate it? To people who haven't got a clue as to what science is? Try reading for yourself. In fact, all the climate change deniers need to check out the following article. Read it and weep, and after you've had your cry, read the books cited in the article, and after that, demonstrate your own brilliance by proving any or all of the cited books wrong.

Mott has clearly shown to anyone with a brain that he knows more about the climate than the deniers do. Your refusal to accept the facts presented does not alter their truth or the validity of the science involved. There is a name for your form of argument: the argument from incredulity. It is a logical fallacy, is an invalid argument, and carries no weight. Give it a rest.

Published on Monday, July 19, 2010 by Minneapolis/St. Paul Star-Tribune
The Truth: Still There, Still Inconvenient
As 'Climategate' scientists are cleared, no doubt about warming remains.

by James Lenfestey
On July 7, the last of three independent British commissions exonerated prominent climate scientists at the University of East Anglia of any wrongdoing in the so-called "Climategate," in which mysterious (and still anonymous) hackers trashed their reputations and confused public understanding of important climate science.

Meanwhile, back in America, prominent climatologist Michael Mann, also reviled by critics for his "Climategate" e-mails (and for his solid climate science), was similarly exonerated by a full review panel at Penn State University, where he teaches. Most important, all review panels affirmed the underlying science, and thereby the established scientific consensus that human activity is warming the planet. "The rigor and honesty of the scientists in not in doubt," the British panel concluded.

This should put to rest any remaining public "skepticism" of the scientific facts of climate change. If it doesn't, two new books will.

"Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming," by science historians Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway, forcefully debunks the handful of credentialed scientists, such as S. Fred Singer, who continue to beat the drum against the mainstream consensus. Singer, a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, publishes his virulent skepticism on the hospitable opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal and from his own foundation. The authors prove him to be practicing science outside his realm of expertise as an antiregulation ideologue.

A second book, "The Lomborg Deception" by Howard Friel, is as devastating. Lomborg's two big books, "The Skeptical Environmentalist" and "Cool It," are the bibles of climate-change nonbelievers. Lomborg, a Danish statistician who portrays himself as a reasonable apostate from excessive environmentalism, argues in heavily footnoted texts that the threat of manmade global warming is "exaggerated," and that in any event a warmer planet may be good for us.

Reputable scientists immediately smelled something fishy in Lomborg's work. Now Freil, a journalist, has found the source of the stink. He painstakingly tracks down every one of Lomborg's thousands of endnotes and finds that his citations are a sea of deception. In many cases, the sources cited by Lomborg say exactly the opposite of what he states in his text. In others he leaves out or distorts inconvenient evidence. Sometimes there is no source at all to be found.

Pseudo-scientists like Lomborg or hypocrites like Singer are not honest scientific skeptics --skepticism is a valuable and necessary part of the scientific process -- but are ideologues who believe nothing should be done about climate change and who argue from that premise.

With these reports and books, the public debate on climate change should finally be over.

No Americans, including conservatives, have an excuse now to say that it is not happening, or to continue to argue that is caused by volcanoes (fully taken into account by scientists) or by natural climate variation (the observed evidence is way outside of historic natural variation) or that the cause is variable solar radiation (again outside the range of the sun's variable radiation). The only scientific explanation for the temperature increases observed here and now is the simultaneous dramatic increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane as a result of human activities, including the waste carbon from the burning of fossil fuels.

So I challenge conservative commentators Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Katherine Kersten; the editors of the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute, the Heartland Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute, the Cato Institute, the Center of the American Experiment and other vehicles of opposition to mainstream climate science to face the facts. Stop allowing yourselves to be deceived and therefore to deceive the people who trust and depend on you.

Put the phony crisis of "Climategate" away, along with your criticism of the vast consensus of honest scientists working around the globe to bring us the truth of our changing climate. Face the facts so that your public, and the politicians who work for them, can face the facts.

The evidence is irrefutable: Global warming is upon us, and it is primarily caused by human activities. Now what are we as one people, and the family of nations, going to do about it?
 
Mott has clearly shown to anyone with a brain that he knows more about the climate than the deniers do. Your refusal to accept the facts presented does not alter their truth or the validity of the science involved.

I have presented scientific evidence to support what I have stated on every thread where I have participated.....I seem to have missed your posts contradicting it.......perhaps that is some sort of "refusal" on your own part.....or perhaps, as I suspect, you simply weren't there......either way, you are hardly qualified to pass judgment on my arguments......
 
I have presented scientific evidence to support what I have stated on every thread where I have participated.....I seem to have missed your posts contradicting it.......perhaps that is some sort of "refusal" on your own part.....or perhaps, as I suspect, you simply weren't there......either way, you are hardly qualified to pass judgment on my arguments......

And you know that how? An argument has two facets: evidence and validity. You can cite all the evidence you want, but if your reasoning is invalid, your argument is shit, as many if not most of yours are, and as an expert on logical fallacies, I am more than qualified to pass judgment on your arguments.
 
I agree....it's time to get serious about the real threat to the planet.....global cooling......

So tell me, was that you being flip about global warming, which would show your inability to appreciate the seriousness of the threat to life and civilization posed by human activity? Or do you really think "global cooling" accurately describes the observed data? If the latter is the case, then your "arguments" can hardly be deemed scientific, because all the evidence points to catastrophic warming. Perhaps you don't understand the exclusionary nature of evidence.
 
And you know that how? An argument has two facets: evidence and validity. You can cite all the evidence you want, but if your reasoning is invalid, your argument is shit, as many if not most of yours are, and as an expert on logical fallacies, I am more than qualified to pass judgment on your arguments.

excuse me?....I know you weren't participating in any debates in which we argued science......thus, I know that you don't qualify as someone who has countered any scientific evidence I have presented, or perhaps, as someone who has actually READ any arguments I presented.......since you lack evidence, your opinion lacks validity.....
 
You have? When? I'm sure I'm not the only one who missed that or are you using Dixies definition of science? LOL

lol....you certainly ignored it.....you were too busy proclaiming your scientific superiority to bother actually reading my posts.....shucks, that first thread we argued on you were so busy bragging you never even realized you weren't discussing the same topic the rest of us were.....it was pretty sad....of course, you've never actually presented yourself any better anywhere else.......
 
So tell me, was that you being flip about global warming, which would show your inability to appreciate the seriousness of the threat to life and civilization posed by human activity? Or do you really think "global cooling" accurately describes the observed data? If the latter is the case, then your "arguments" can hardly be deemed scientific, because all the evidence points to catastrophic warming. Perhaps you don't understand the exclusionary nature of evidence.

I presented the question on the thread where science regarding warming is actually being discussed.....feel free to play in the big boy's sandbox and join us there.....
 
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