Schumer: Ban guns for drug-test flunkies

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If someone admits to a federal official that he or she has used illegal drugs, that information should be sent to the FBI so that person can be disqualified from purchasing a gun, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said today.

Noting that Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter in the Tucson massacre, had admitted to military recruiters that he had used drugs on several occasions, Schumer, said he was proposing to the Justice Department and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that the military be required to notify federal officials about such admissions. He said such a process does not require new legislation.

Loughner is charged with five federal counts in the killing of a federal judge and shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The Jan. 8 mass shooting outside a Safeway grocery store resulted in six dead and 14 injured.

A military official told Fox News last week that Loughner was rejected from enlisting in the Army in 2008 because he admitted he had used drugs. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because privacy laws prevent the military from disclosing such information about an individual's application.

Schumer said if military recruiters or other officials report admissions of drug use to a national database, those individuals could be denied a gun.

"After Jared Loughner was interviewed by the military, he was rejected from the Army because of excessive drug use. Now, by law, by law that's on the books, he should not have been allowed to buy a gun," Schumer told NBC's "Meet the Press."

"But the law doesn't require the military to notify the FBI about that, and in this case they didn't. So I -- this morning -- I'm writing the administration and urging ... that the military notify the FBI when someone is rejected from the military for excessive drug use and that be added to the FBI database," Schumer said.

The issue of limiting Second Amendment rights has exploded in the wake of the Arizona shooting as lawmakers and officials discuss whether increased curbs should be put on gun ownership.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/schumer_ban_guns_for_drug_test_flunkies_bLoHQcfL8zCoGC2wrV3cWL


Hmm. Medical marijuana? Who has admitted recreational drug use to their doctor? Obamacare makes doctors records govt property? Would the government then scan such data to grab guns of those who so admit?
 
Fuckers will use any method they can dream of to subvert the Constitution.

Want to deny a Constitutional right - USE DUE PROCESS!!!

(Hint: a confession is NOT due process - it can only LEAD to due process.)
 
And an admission when you are 18 or 19 would mean being refused the right to buy a gun when you are 30 or 40?
 
This study continues to be ignored-

Overview: Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/hash/cannabis) and alcohol have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing psychosis and schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

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I am not suggesting any limits on our 2nd amendment- Certainly however this information should lead us to the conclusion that maybe just "legalizing" more drugs is not very smart. In fact why is the information NOT being used to educate the public? Maybe becuase instead we have to hear that marijuana is harmless and the two contrary messages don't mix- One is popular and the other not.
 
Chuck Schumer is a jackass. If he wants gun control he should propose real gun control, not some pointless half-baked horseshit.
 
This study continues to be ignored-

Overview: Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/hash/cannabis) and alcohol have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing psychosis and schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

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I am not suggesting any limits on our 2nd amendment- Certainly however this information should lead us to the conclusion that maybe just "legalizing" more drugs is not very smart. In fact why is the information NOT being used to educate the public? Maybe becuase instead we have to hear that marijuana is harmless and the two contrary messages don't mix- One is popular and the other not.


Jesus. This is exactly the kind of dumbshit reasoning that resulted in marijuana being criminalized in the first instance.
 
This study continues to be ignored-

Overview: Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/hash/cannabis) and alcohol have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing psychosis and schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

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I am not suggesting any limits on our 2nd amendment- Certainly however this information should lead us to the conclusion that maybe just "legalizing" more drugs is not very smart. In fact why is the information NOT being used to educate the public? Maybe becuase instead we have to hear that marijuana is harmless and the two contrary messages don't mix- One is popular and the other not.
If the studies are accurate, can it be shown that schizophrenia or other mental disorders have been increasing over the last couple decades, since marijuana use has been increasing over that period?

Seems not:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560900
http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/scz/sb-time.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19539765

All we get is a (continued, since this claim is not new) prediction that incidence of such disorders is ABOUT to happen.
http://www.physorg.com/news93880285.html

"About to happen?" When recreational marijuana use has been on the increase for how long?
 
Fuckers will use any method they can dream of to subvert the Constitution.

Want to deny a Constitutional right - USE DUE PROCESS!!!

(Hint: a confession is NOT due process - it can only LEAD to due process.)
That my friend has little to do with the Constitution or the second amendment or even gun safety or drug use. It has everything to do with the mechanics of politics. Schumer will now brag to his constituents about what a great guy he is and how he is tough on crime and how he will protect his constituents from druggies who want to get guns. Classic Machiavelli.
 
Chuck Schumer is a jackass. If he wants gun control he should propose real gun control, not some pointless half-baked horseshit.
Chuck Schumer is a savy politician who knows his constituents and understands the mechanics of politics. Schumer could care less about this suggestion as public policy. He knows it's unconstitutional. This is pure political posturing and manipulation on his part and quite smart politically too. It aint like the NRA has a big following in his State. This is how the game of politics is played by professionals.
 
Chuck Schumer is a savy politician who knows his constituents and understands the mechanics of politics. Schumer could care less about this suggestion as public policy. He knows it's unconstitutional. This is pure political posturing and manipulation on his part and quite smart politically too. It aint like the NRA has a big following in his State. This is how the game of politics is played by professionals.


I don't really see the political upside to dumbassery, but I could be wrong.
 
I don't really see the political upside to dumbassery, but I could be wrong.
Well.....because you're expecting from others what you expect from your self. The sad truth is, there are a lot of dumb asses out there and Schumer knows it and it's to them that he's making this pitch. Like I said, this is classic politics. It's a technique Machiavelli called "The Foreign Devil.". It may sound like "dumbassery" to you but it's a tried and true time tested political practice that works cause there are a lot of dumbasses out there.
 
Ahhhh, the old "say what they want to hear" (ie: lying through their fucking teeth) equating to "political savvy". I guess the extremes do like to be lied to, as long as the lies sound good to their distorted sense of reality.

No wonder we're so fucked.
 
Ahhhh, the old "say what they want to hear" (ie: lying through their fucking teeth) equating to "political savvy". I guess the extremes do like to be lied to, as long as the lies sound good to their distorted sense of reality.

No wonder we're so fucked.
Well if were fucked then we've been fucked since time immamorial. I can show you the writtings of Livy and Plutarch where the Roman Dictator Sulla did the same sort of shit. The nature of politics by its nature parallels human nature.
 
Well.....because you're expecting from others what you expect from your self. The sad truth is, there are a lot of dumb asses out there and Schumer knows it and it's to them that he's making this pitch. Like I said, this is classic politics. It's a technique Machiavelli called "The Foreign Devil.". It may sound like "dumbassery" to you but it's a tried and true time tested political practice that works cause there are a lot of dumbasses out there.

Whats really incredible is that you're one of those very dumb asses.....a supporter of his politics and his party....

Your half-ass attempt to call him the manipulator he is while at the same time excusing his bullshit as "tried and true time tested political practice", "classic politics", "political savvy", a "political professional".....
just shows you for the hypocrite you are....

You'd vote for him in a heartbeat and support his every liberal utterance when given the chance.....you've got the "tap-dance" perfected......
but you're not really fooling anyone...
 
Ban drug test
leave the ghestapo shit to the germans, riechwingers need to tone it down.
Ahhhhh......I'm sorry to have to burst your widdle bubble sonny....Mr.
Schumer, the modern day Gestapo of drug tests, anti-2nd amendment, and free speech rights is a ........a......a.....(dare I say)....liberal left winger like you......:palm:
 
If the studies are accurate, can it be shown that schizophrenia or other mental disorders have been increasing over the last couple decades, since marijuana use has been increasing over that period?

Seems not:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560900
http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/scz/sb-time.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19539765

All we get is a (continued, since this claim is not new) prediction that incidence of such disorders is ABOUT to happen.
http://www.physorg.com/news93880285.html

"About to happen?" When recreational marijuana use has been on the increase for how long?

The studies conducted are scientific-

From your own link:

The decrease observed in these studies could be an artifact created by a number of factors, such as a diagnostic shift from schizophrenia to other categories. Mortensen and colleagues (1991) suggest that the decline in admissions for schizophrenia in Denmark was matched by an increase in borderline states, paranoid and "unspecified" psychoses. Parker et al. (1985) found that the decrease in the treated incidence of schizophrenia in New South Wales was accompanied by an increase in the diagnosis of manic-depressive illness following the introduction of lithium carbonate. Other studies (Dickson and Kendell 1986; Eagles et al. 1988) show a similar increase in the prevalence of affective psychoses. Kendell and coworkers (1993) found that the proportion of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia at first admission to the Royal Edinburgh Hospital in Scotland decreased by 22 percent between 1971 and 1989. No such decline was apparent, however, when the diagnosis was made using data from the patient records and a computer algorithm. A comparison of trends in France and Britain between 1973 and 1982 (van Os et al. 1993) led to the conclusion that a diagnostic drift occurred in opposite directions in the two countries, producing a diverging incidence of schizophrenia. In Britain, an increase in the use of standardized criteria may have led to an increase in "other psychoses" and a decrease in schizophrenia. In France, psychoanalytic influence produced a broadening of the concept of schizophrenia and may have increased the number of diagnosed cases (van Os et al. 1993). Yet, neither de Alarcon and associates (1990) looking at data from Oxfordshire, nor Der and colleagues (1990) examining British national data, nor Geddes and coworkers (1993) using Scottish figures could find evidence of a reciprocal rise in other diagnostic categories.
 
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