Save act passes the house

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Following j6th, NAMBLAcrats had four solid years to pass voter confidence bills. All they did instead was imprison the j6th patriots and gaslight us.

Now this?
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California Representative Maxine Waters suggested that Elon Musk may have interfered with the 2024 election.
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Things you might remember maxine for
Crack epidemic and scripted outrage at getting caught.
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A Solution in Search of a Problem​

While the goal of ensuring only eligible citizens vote is important, evidence suggests the SAVE Act is addressing a problem that largely doesn't exist.

According to the Migration Policy Institute, noncitizen voting in U.S. elections is "exceedingly rare." A study by the Brennan Center for Justice of the 2016 election found just 0.0001% of 23.5 million votes cast in 42 jurisdictions surveyed were suspected noncitizen votes. Forty of those 42 jurisdictions reported no known incidents of noncitizen voting.

The database of election fraud cases maintained by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative organization deeply invested in proving widespread voter fraud is real) identified only 23 instances of noncitizen voting between 2003 and 2022. And according to the Bipartisan Policy Center, there were only 77 instances of noncitizens voting between 1999 and 2023.

Several states have conducted audits of their voter rolls. The Associated Press reported that states including North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, California, and Texas reviewed their voter rolls between 2016 and 2022 and found fewer than 50 noncitizens in each state had voted in recent elections, out of upwards of 23 million total votes per state.

These findings are unsurprising given the severe consequences for noncitizens who attempt to vote. Federal law already prohibits noncitizens from voting in federal elections, with penalties including up to five years in federal prison and potential deportation. The current voter registration system also requires applicants to affirm under penalty of perjury that they are U.S. citizens.

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The SAVE Act: Addressing a Non-Existent Problem at the Cost of Voter Access?

In July 2024, I wrote about the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act when it was first introduced in Congress. And Sarah and I discussed it in an episode of Beyond the Bill Number which you can still listen to. Now, in April 2025, the SAVE Act has been reintroduced in the 119th...
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Since both parties are trying to whine about rigged elections, there's clearly a problem and this is a solution 87% of the citizenry supports. If tammany hall doesn't like it, well then that's just obviously corruption.

Claiming this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist is just plain arbitrary to the facts if the matter Screenshot_20250501-212740.png
 
AProudLefty said:

A Solution in Search of a Problem​

While the goal of ensuring only eligible citizens vote is important, evidence suggests the SAVE Act is addressing a problem that largely doesn't exist.

According to the Migration Policy Institute, noncitizen voting in U.S. elections is "exceedingly rare." A study by the Brennan Center for Justice of the 2016 election found just 0.0001% of 23.5 million votes cast in 42 jurisdictions surveyed were suspected noncitizen votes. Forty of those 42 jurisdictions reported no known incidents of noncitizen voting.

The database of election fraud cases maintained by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative organization deeply invested in proving widespread voter fraud is real) identified only 23 instances of noncitizen voting between 2003 and 2022. And according to the Bipartisan Policy Center, there were only 77 instances of noncitizens voting between 1999 and 2023.

Several states have conducted audits of their voter rolls. The Associated Press reported that states including North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, California, and Texas reviewed their voter rolls between 2016 and 2022 and found fewer than 50 noncitizens in each state had voted in recent elections, out of upwards of 23 million total votes per state.

These findings are unsurprising given the severe consequences for noncitizens who attempt to vote. Federal law already prohibits noncitizens from voting in federal elections, with penalties including up to five years in federal prison and potential deportation. The current voter registration system also requires applicants to affirm under penalty of perjury that they are U.S. citizens.

thefulcrum.us

The SAVE Act: Addressing a Non-Existent Problem at the Cost of Voter Access?

In July 2024, I wrote about the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act when it was first introduced in Congress. And Sarah and I discussed it in an episode of Beyond the Bill Number which you can still listen to. Now, in April 2025, the SAVE Act has been reintroduced in the 119th...
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What does any of that have to do with the simple act of proving you are a citizen in order to vote? You have to prove you are a citizen to get a real ID now and fly anywhere in the US. This is supposedly NOT a burden? How fucking stupid are the Left and Democrats?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What does any of that have to do with the simple act of proving you are a citizen in order to vote? You have to prove you are a citizen to get a real ID now and fly anywhere in the US. This is supposedly NOT a burden? How fucking stupid are the Left and Democrats?
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You mean the Right and Republicans? The Act would make voting harder.

It's a solution in search for a problem.
 
AProudLefty said:
You mean the Right and Republicans? The Act would make voting harder.

It's a solution in search for a problem.
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How? Voting wouldn't change. All that changes is when you register to vote you have to prove you're a citizen. How hard is that? Since you register well ahead of voting, you have plenty of time to get what paperwork you need to do that together and submit it.
 

Our Strict Laws Ensure Only U.S. Citizens Vote In Federal Elections​


Our democracy flourishes when all Americans can exercise their freedom to vote, no matter where they were born. Our elections are run locally, by members of our own communities, who work hard to make sure only U.S. citizens vote in federal elections. As a result of these efforts, voters can trust that our elections are safe, secure and accurate.

There are already strict laws in place that ensure only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections. The safeguards we already have in place, including strict criminal punishment, financial penalties and possible deportation, ensure that only eligible citizens can register and vote. Every state already has safeguards in place to verify voter eligibility and keep our elections secure.

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Our Strict Laws Ensure Only U.S. Citizens Vote In Federal Elections

Our democracy flourishes when all Americans can exercise their freedom to vote, no matter where they were born. Our elections are run locally, by members of our own communities, who work hard to make sure only U.S. citizens vote in federal elections. As a result of these efforts, voters can...
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Since the GOP won the presidency and both houses, why complain?
 
AProudLefty said:

Our Strict Laws Ensure Only U.S. Citizens Vote In Federal Elections​


Our democracy flourishes when all Americans can exercise their freedom to vote, no matter where they were born. Our elections are run locally, by members of our own communities, who work hard to make sure only U.S. citizens vote in federal elections. As a result of these efforts, voters can trust that our elections are safe, secure and accurate.

There are already strict laws in place that ensure only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections. The safeguards we already have in place, including strict criminal punishment, financial penalties and possible deportation, ensure that only eligible citizens can register and vote. Every state already has safeguards in place to verify voter eligibility and keep our elections secure.

campaignlegal.org

Our Strict Laws Ensure Only U.S. Citizens Vote In Federal Elections

Our democracy flourishes when all Americans can exercise their freedom to vote, no matter where they were born. Our elections are run locally, by members of our own communities, who work hard to make sure only U.S. citizens vote in federal elections. As a result of these efforts, voters can...
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Since the GOP won the presidency and both houses, why complain?
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Campaign Legal is full of shit.

From same day registration, to lax motor-voter laws, to no ID to vote required, and beyond means our elections are questionable. Absence of voter fraud doesn't equal no voter fraud if it is undetected.

As it stands, I have little faith that our elections are clean and free from fraud. I could add, ballot harvesting, all-mail-in balloting, voting seasons rather than an election day, and beyond. It all increases the chances of fraud, not decreases it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Campaign Legal is full of shit.
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T. A. Gardner said:
From same day registration, to lax motor-voter laws, to no ID to vote required, and beyond means our elections are questionable. Absence of voter fraud doesn't equal no voter fraud if it is undetected.

As it stands, I have little faith that our elections are clean and free from fraud. I could add, ballot harvesting, all-mail-in balloting, voting seasons rather than an election day, and beyond. It all increases the chances of fraud, not decreases it.
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I posted evidence that it isn't a problem.

If Trump and MAGAts won, why fret?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How? Voting wouldn't change. All that changes is when you register to vote you have to prove you're a citizen. How hard is that? Since you register well ahead of voting, you have plenty of time to get what paperwork you need to do that together and submit it.
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You're just going to dismiss the fact that people are automatically registered to vote when they're issued a drivers license?

And no, there's currently nothing illegal or prohibited about registering to vote without citizenship or a green card. Only the act of voting is prohibited. And since partisan hack judges want to try to stop election officials from purging non-citizens from voting rolls, there's obviously a problem.

All it takes is a handful of partisan hacks in the usps office to balot harvest illegal immigrants and bam, hundreds of thousands of illegal votes. Regardless of the fact it's been proven to be possible and regardless of the fact it has been proven in many jurisdictions, how do you account for the complete lack of confidence in the election system every fking year since bush's second term? And arguably long before that?

The NAMBLAcrat party is completely putrid on this point and 87% of the population wouldn't mind seeing public executions following military tribunals in light of it.

You can't say it's not a problem with a straight face and you know it. But since you tried, after we cram this down y'all's neck, we're making January 6th a federal holiday.

Fk you and your vapid verifiably-false rhetoric.Screenshot_20250501-220650-min.png
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I did. I gave numerous counterexamples to what the article stated, which was pretty much the standard drivel the Democrat party has been using for years now about US elections.
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And yet there is no problem. There already are laws protecting election integrity. Why make it harder? And why worry if you've won?
 
AProudLefty said:
And yet there is no problem. There already are laws protecting election integrity. Why make it harder? And why worry if you've won?
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So what? Does that mean we shouldn't strengthen our voting laws? If anything, the Democrats in the past decade have sought repeatedly to weaken our voting laws. Two great examples of that are the For the Voter's Act, and the John Lewis Voting Act, neither of which made it out of Congress, thankfully.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So what? Does that mean we shouldn't strengthen our voting laws? If anything, the Democrats in the past decade have sought repeatedly to weaken our voting laws. Two great examples of that are the For the Voter's Act, and the John Lewis Voting Act, neither of which made it out of Congress, thankfully.
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To receive approval for new election laws, the jurisdiction would have to prove to either a three judge panel of a Washington, D.C. court or the US Attorney General that the new procedure would not negatively impact the right to vote on the basis of race or other minority status.
 
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