Romney Is Against Obamacare, but Favours Israel's Health Care Mandate?

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One would think Mitt Romney's trip to Israel would have zero implications for our domestic healthcare debate. But one would be wrong. During his Israel trip, Romney celebrated the Israeli state's maintenance of a healthcare system that guarantees universal care and involves an individual mandate. BuzzFeed's Zeke Miller is probably having a good time pointing out a possible contradiction between Romney's statements in Israel and his poo-pooing of Obamacare. The Republican vying for the presidency also praised Israel's 8% of GDP allotted to healthcare as opposed to America's 18%, and told a group of donors in Jerusalem that they belonged to a "a pretty healthy nation."

"Our health care costs are completely out of control," stated Romney. "We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to finally manage our health care costs." Of course one may counter, as Cliff Asness of the American Enterprise Institute does, that US healthcare costs aren't comparable to any other country's. The high costs of US medicine are caused not so much by excessive spending on individual care as by the high costs of research into state-of-the-art medical services and technology. Via BuzzFeed & AEI.



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I read that earlier and laughed.

Israel's universal health care contains a mandate.

Romneycare contains a mandate.

Obamacare? No way!!!!!!
 
why do you wonder that?
Um...we're discussing Israeli national policy.

Romney's trying to suck up to Israel, so he'll agree with anything they do. At least, in public.

Of course, they gave him a big fat slap in the face by announcing today that Obama has been more supportive of Israel's concerns, than any other administration.


Too bad Romney wasted so much of the campaign money on jet fuel.
 
Althea;1048514]Um...we're discussing Israeli national policy.

we are? i thought the thread was about romney's comment on ONE aspect of isreali policy.

Romney's trying to suck up to Israel, so he'll agree with anything they do. At least, in public.

lame, hack comment. further, your statement is not true. i'm guessing you hate israel.

Of course, they gave him a big fat slap in the face by announcing today that Obama has been more supportive of Israel's concerns, than any other administration.

but obama is not sucking up to israel.......LOL....hack.


Too bad Romney wasted so much of the campaign money on jet fuel]

but you totally supported obama's campaign trip in 08'. please....try to stop being so lopsided in your world views.
 
we are? i thought the thread was about romney's comment on ONE aspect of isreali policy.
What the real issue is, is Romney's penchant for saying anything that he thinks will garner support. So he's in favor of a mandate, unless he isn't in favor of a mandate.



lame, hack comment. further, your statement is not true. i'm guessing you hate israel
.Is it possible to hate a country?



but obama is not sucking up to israel.......LOL....hack.
Obama is the POTUS. He has a relationship with the leaders of that country.


but you totally supported obama's campaign trip in 08'. please....try to stop being so lopsided in your world views.
Did Obama make claims during that trip, that ran contrary to everything he purported on the campaign trail back home?
What Romney's doing, is saying what he needs to say, to keep Adelson's millions flowing in.

Nothing more.

He has no clue about foreign policy, as seen by his slap in the face to Palestine today.
 
Althea;1048572]What the real issue is, is Romney's penchant for saying anything that he thinks will garner support. So he's in favor of a mandate, unless he isn't in favor of a mandate.


i see, you can unilaterally change the issue of the thread, because you say so. if you think romney is unique from obama in that regard...you are truly naive. truly.

.Is it possible to hate a country?

yes. why do you ask? it is possible to hate anything. even spinach.


Obama is the POTUS. He has a relationship with the leaders of that country.

i see....so obama can suck up....but not a presidential candidate. tell me....how does that make sense, especially given obama's europe tour when he was a candidate.


Did Obama make claims during that trip, that ran contrary to everything he purported on the campaign trail back home?
What Romney's doing, is saying what he needs to say, to keep Adelson's millions flowing in.

tell me one claim that romney has made different or contrary.


your opinion about his foreign policy is as valid as mine. ergo....nada. obama had zero qualifications, yet you voted for him. romney has about the same qualifications, but you won't vote for him....simply because he has an R after his name.
 
saying X is good for Y country doesn't mean that X is good for Z country.

come on liberals.....please think harder.

:)

When it comes to government medical it's good for X country and Y country and Z country and A country and B country and C country and.......The truth is there aren't enough letters in the alphabet as there are dozens of countries that witness the benefits of government medical. Every country that implemented government medical has kept it. The citizens in those respective countries have insisted on it. Not tolerated it. Not just accepted it but insisted on their governments keeping it.

Talking about "thinking" there is not one country that reverted to a "pay or suffer" system. There is not one exception, worldwide. Every country that implemented such a program has shown savings AND the vast majority of citizens in those countries support their plan. How much thinking is required to determine government medical is superior to a "pay or suffer" system? Obviously more than is capable of the Repubs to master.
 
saying X is good for Y country doesn't mean that X is good for Z country.

come on liberals.....please think harder.

:)

IT appears Mitt thinks its good for everyone but our Federal Government.
 
saying X is good for Y country doesn't mean that X is good for Z country.

come on liberals.....please think harder.

:)

It is indeed you who should be thinking harder.

I don't support Obamacare .. but you'd have to be blind and stupid not to recognize the gross hypocrisy of Romney's position.
 
tell me one claim that romney has made different or contrary.

Sometimes you make it too easy, Burp.

1. Romney claimed this week that President Obama was saying success "is the result of government," not "hard-working people," when Obama said, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

That's as obvious a lie as Romney has told all year. It's not even close to what the president said.

2. Romney told CNBC's Larry Kudlow, in reference to last week's massacre, "There were, of course, very stringent laws which existed in Aurora, Colorado."

Actually, that's the opposite of the truth.

3. On a related note, Romney said "it was illegal" for the Aurora gunman to have his arsenal.

That's not true. The gunman in Aurora purchased his guns and ammunition legally.

4. Romney told donors this week that Ronald Reagan was so focused on the economy after taking office in 1981, he told his aides not to schedule any national security meetings in his first 100 days as president.

That's so ridiculously false it seemed to thoroughly annoy Republican media figures, including Bill Kristol and Marc Thiessen.

5. Romney told CNBC's Larry Kudlow, "I think the president made an error coming into office and deciding that the economy would take care of itself."

I don't know what planet Romney's on, but on this one, Obama came into office and immediately worked on a stimulus bill called the Recovery Act. Romney probably should have heard of it -- he's condemned it many times.

6. In the same interview, Romney said Obama is responsible for a "takeover of the health care industry."

There is no universe in which this makes sense -- "Obamacare" relies on private insurers, not a government takeover.

7. Romney also told Kudlow the economic downturn has "gone on for three and a half years."

In our reality, the Great Recession began in December 2007 (when George W. Bush was president) -- not January 2009 (when Barack Obama became president).

8. Romney said a president should have "at least six months or a year" to get economic policies "in place."

This is fundamentally dishonest, given that Romney refuses to allow Obama to use this standard to defend his own term.

9. He added, "When I say extend the current tax setting, what I'm saying is, don't raise taxes."

Under Romney's proposed tax plan, those struggling most would see their tax burdens go up.

10. Romney went on to say, "I'm not looking for tax breaks for high-income folks."

Yes, he is.

11. He also said he has a plan that will "show the world that we're on track to having a balanced budget within eight to 10 years."

There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Romney says his plan "can't be scored," but independent budget analysts have found his agenda would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add trillions to the national debt.

12. Romney described Obama's economic vision this way: "This is an ideology which says hey, we're all the same here, we ought to take from all and give to one another and that achievement, individual initiative and risk-taking and success are not to be rewarded as they have in the past."

This isn't even close to being true (but it is a little nuts).

13. Romney also argued that the president "demonizes" and "denigrates the people who have worked hard."

Romney has never been able to point to a single instance in which Obama has actually done this.

14. In reference to Bain Capital, Romney said, "[O]ver the history of the firm, which I helped start, they made some 350 investments, 80 percent of which grew."

Nice try, but no.

15. In his speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars National Convention, Romney said the president, in his "dealings with other nations," has given "apologies."

The whole "apology" lie hasn't gone away yet?

16. In the same remarks, Romney said Obama has "diminished" Americans ability to "shape world events," adding, "[T]his president has diminished American leadership."

This is something of a subjective question, but at a minimum, all available evidence suggests American leadership has more international stature and credibility now than before Obama took office.

17. Romney went on to say, "Today, we are just months away from an arbitrary, across-the-board budget reduction that would saddle the military with a trillion dollars in cuts, severely shrink our force structure, and impair our ability to meet and deter threats. Don't bother trying to find a serious military rationale behind any of this, unless that rationale is wishful thinking. Strategy is not driving President Obama's massive defense cuts."

These aren't President Obama's massive defense cuts. Romney's talking about defense cuts proposed by congressional Republicans as part of the congressional Republicans' debt-ceiling crisis.

18. He added that national security leaks are "contemptible," adding, "It betrays our national interest. It compromises our men and women in the field."

Given Romney's take on the Valerie Plame leak scandal, this is literally unbelievable.

19. Romney went on to say, "The operating principle of American foreign policy has been to work with our allies so that we can deter aggression before it breaks out into open conflict. That policy depends on nurturing our alliances and standing up for our common values. Yet the President has moved in the opposite direction. It began with the sudden abandonment of friends in Poland and the Czech Republic."

Officials in Eastern Europe say this isn't true.

20. In the same speech, Romney said, "President Obama had a moment of candor ... just the other day. He said that the actions of the Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez have not had a serious national security impact on us."

The actions of the Hugo Chavez really haven't had a serious national security impact on us. (Hezbollah's interest in the region isn't exactly new.)

21. Romney added, "[T]his is the president who faltered when the Iranian people were looking for support in their struggle against the ayatollahs.... When unarmed women and men in Tehran find the courage to confront their oppressors, at risk of torture and death, they should hear the unequivocal voice of an American president affirming their right to be free."

The Iranian people weren't looking and didn't want U.S. officials to intervene. That's not "faltering"; that's sound judgment -- the protestors didn't want to "hear the voice of an American president" at all.

22. Romney went on to say, "It is in our mutual interest for China to be a partner for a stable and secure world, and we welcome its participation in trade. But the cheating must finally be brought to a stop. President Obama hasn't done it and won't do it."

Obama has already cracked down on China in ways Romney doesn't seem to understand.

23. In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, Romney said of his one term as governor, "I began a relationship with the speaker of the House and the Senate president that was personal. We respected each other. We often disagreed. But we found common ground from time to time."

That's wildly misleading. In his one term, Romney issued more than 800 vetoes, over 700 of which were overridden, and demonstrated a "relative disinterest in bipartisan collaboration."

24. In the same interview, he asserted "we have not" increased trade with Latin America.

That's not true. Since early 2009, the exports of goods and services to Latin America have increased nearly 50 percent. (Obama also signed trade deals with Panama and Colombia.)

25. A Romney campaign ad this week claimed, "Where did all the Obama stimulus money go? Friends, donors, campaign supporters, special interest groups."

I'm not sure why Romney keeps repeating this one, but it's not true.

26. And in his first diplomatic incident of the week, Romney said Bob Carr, the Australian foreign minister, told him that America is "in decline," but that the situation could be turned around if an appropriate budget deal is reached.

Carr said Romney's version of events is "not correct."

That's at least 26 lies in one week.
(There's 26 previous versions you can read too)
 
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