Rogue Turks- A problem for NATO

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Damascus confirms its army targeted by Turkish shelling, complains to UN

The Syrian government has confirmed that its army positions were targeted by Turkish shelling on Saturday, which also hit the positions of the Syrian Kurdish militias in the northern Aleppo province. Turkish shelling reportedly continued Sunday.

Syria’s government has condemned Turkey for shelling Syrian territory, describing the act as direct support for “terrorist” groups, Syrian state media reported on Sunday, citing the letter to the United Nations.

Damascus sent the letter after Turkey shelled areas recently captured by a Kurdish-backed alliance north of Aleppo on Saturday. It demanded that the UN Security council “take responsibility for international peace and security by putting an end to the crimes committed by the Turkish regime.”

“On February 13, 2016, since the afternoon hours, Turkey’s heavy artillery, located on Turkish territory, artillery shelled Syrian territory, targeting Syrian Kurdish positions and the positions of the Syrian Arab Army,” SANA news agency reported after obtaining the letter.

https://www.rt.com/news/332414-turkey-continues-shell-kurdish/
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Having a maverick Turkey bringing down a Russian bomber and now shelling Russia's allies in Syria is very bad news for NATO and any peace process which the major powers have been attempting to implement.
The question is- as NATO members operate on a ' Three Musketeers ' principle of ' all for one and one for all ', what happens when one musketeer loses his integrity and starts out on a lone-wolf war for his own ends ?
 
moon2012 said:
Having a maverick Turkey bringing down a Russian bomber and now shelling Russia's allies in Syria is very bad news for NATO and any peace process which the major powers have been attempting to implement.
The question is- as NATO members operate on a ' Three Musketeers ' principle of ' all for one and one for all ', what happens when one musketeer loses his integrity and starts out on a lone-wolf war for his own ends ?
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This worries me more than ISIS. I know people will erupt over this but Russia and Turkey both going rogue could lead to disaster far beyond what ISIS can inflict.
 
Rogue?? what would you call Russian bombings all over western Syria? There aren't ISIS there. Turkey shelling the Syrian Kurds?
say it ain't so! :rolleyes:

The Syrian government has confirmed that its army positions were targeted by Turkish shelling on Saturday, which also hit the positions of the Syrian Kurdish militias in the northern Aleppo province. Turkish shelling reportedly continued Sunday.
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Damascus sent the letter after Turkey shelled areas recently captured by a Kurdish-backed alliance north of Aleppo on Saturday. It demanded that the UN Security council “take responsibility for international peace and security by putting an end to the crimes committed by the Turkish regime.”

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^ definition of chutzbah
 
You can't deny that the Turks shot done a Russian bomber- although it appears that you would if you could- and now the Syrians claim that the Turks are shelling Syrian troops. Why aren't you aware of the prospects for escalation and NATO's embarrassment ?

Also the Russians are opposing ANY opposition to the legal government of Syria. If it so happens that these are Western-backed Islamist militias then too bad for them, from the loyal Syrian perspective.
 
moon2012 said:
You can't deny that the Turks shot done a Russian bomber- although it appears that you would if you could- and now the Syrians claim that the Turks are shelling Syrian troops. Why aren't you aware of the prospects for escalation and NATO's embarrassment ?
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of course I'm "aware" -are you aware the Syrian kurds ( PKK) are considered terrorists by both the Turks and the USA?.

Why did Turkey shoot down the Russian jet? for fun? It crossed over Turkish lands - agan not that I'm justifying any of this
but it's more then just what is presented by yet another RT OP..RT is propaganda

It takes stories, and parts of stories and presents them as gospel,
when in truth they are deviously twisted to fulfill a Russian agenda.
I mean be "aware" of this yourself - it doesn't necessarily disqualify but it has to be taken into consideration.

as to "escalation" both Erdogan and Russia have been screaming at each other over Syria since Russia came in.
I doubt any escalation - who would it serve? (neither) but it's just more fuel on the fire -agreed.

as to Assad 's claims..oh well, I'm not all that interested from a guy who relies on barrel bombs
 
anatta said:
of course I'm "aware" -are you aware the Syrian kurds ( PKK) are considered terrorists by both the Turks and the USA?.
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The USA has called for the Turks to end their shelling- and Turkey has no right to fire shells into Syria anyway. As somebody attempting to defend a lethal response to an aircraft overflight you are hovering perilously close to hypocrisy.

as to Assad 's claims..oh well, I'm not all that interested from a guy who relies on barrel bombs
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What are your own favorites supplying the illegal militias with ?
 
Eno L. Camino said:
The Turks are anti-Israel. You should trust that they are trying to do the right thing in Syria.
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Turkey was the first Muslim majority country to recognize the State of Israel. It only developed a fractious relationship with the neoZionist fascists when the latter murdered 11 Turkish citizens on a peace mission to Gaza in international waters.
 
moon2012 said:
The USA has called for the Turks to end their shelling- and Turkey has no right to fire shells into Syria anyway. As somebody attempting to defend a lethal response to an aircraft overflight you are hovering perilously close to hypocrisy.
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hypocrisy abounds in Syria.
I'm in no way defending the Turks either the Russian shoot down or the shelling; I am pointing out the loathing by Erddogan of the PKK -and more importantly any attempts at a "Kurdistan" - why did Erdogan do this? it was along the Syrian/Turk border north of Aleppo

What are your own favorites supplying the illegal militias with ?
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as opposed to Iranian regulars in Syria? how is any of this legal? I have no favorites in Syria, and that includes the Obama FSA types.
 
anatta said:
hypocrisy abounds in Syria.
I'm in no way defending the Turks either the Russian shoot down or the shelling; I am pointing out the loathing by Erddogan of the PKK -and more importantly any attempts at a "Kurdistan" - why did Erdogan do this? it was along the Syrian/Turk border north of Aleppo
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Erdogan's error was to put NATO before his relationships with his own neighbors. He was in a better position to resist Kurdish atatehood- which I happen to support- by way of dialogue with Assad and dialogue with the Kurds. That has all gone up the Swanee.

as opposed to Iranian regulars in Syria? how is any of this legal? I have no favorites in Syria, and that includes the Obama FSA types.
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You know that Assad is the legal leader of the UN-recognised sovereign state of Syria. You know that he has invited the Russians, the Lebanese, the Iranians and friendly Kurds to assist him- which makes their presence in Syria legitimate. Those that have not been invited into Syria are- for all intents and purposes- illegal invaders.
 
‘Turkey wants to stop Kurds liberating northern Syria from ISIS’

Turkey’s shelling of Syria is a warning to the Kurds to stop trying to free the northern part of the country from Islamic State (IS, previously ISIS/ISIL), Kobane-based political analyst Barzan Iso told RT, citing reports of civilians injured in the attacks.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/332401-turkey-stop-kurds-isis/
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The Turks are shelling the enemy of our enemy. According to the ' rules '- NATO is shelling the enemy of our enemy. This is one clusterfuck of a conflict- and the arms dealers are laughing.

Isn't it obvious that without the arms manufacturers and dealers nobody would be at war with anybody else ?
 
moon2012 said:
Erdogan's error was to put NATO before his relationships with his own neighbors. He was in a better position to resist Kurdish atatehood- which I happen to support- by way of dialogue with Assad and dialogue with the Kurds. That has all gone up the Swanee.
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I support an independent Kurdistan also. I agree with you of Erdogan also.
If anyone has "earned'it - it's the Kurds -the only reliable anti-ISIS force from the beginning in both Iraq and Syria.



You know that Assad is the legal leader of the UN-recognised sovereign state of Syria. You know that he has invited the Russians, the Lebanese, the Iranians and friendly Kurds to assist him - which makes their presence in Syria legitimate. Those that have not been invited into Syria are- for all intents and purposes- illegal invaders.
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I saw an interview with Dennis Kucinich a few years ago where Assad makes the same point -and to that limited idea I am sympathetic.
But events have long since scrambled any claims to legitimacy -my point -and that includes Assad
 
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