Republicans Try to Block New Light Bulb Restrictions

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Republicans Try to Block New Light Bulb Restrictions

Is the traditional 100-watt incandescent light bulb about to go the way of the Tyrannosaurus Rex?

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill hope not.

They want to overturn the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, signed by then-President George W. Bush. The law requires all 100-watt incandescent light bulbs to be almost 30-percent more energy efficient by Jan. 1, 2012.

Since that means higher production costs, manufacturers in America have stopped making the traditional bulbs. Some consumers have already started stockpiling the old-model bulbs, complaining that the replacements cast a unattractive light compared to the warmth of incandescent bulbs.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/22/republicans-try-block-new-light-bulb-restrictions/

good, i can't stand the new bulbs and they are not as environmentally friendly as claimed
 
Thats funny.....My wife just bought a dozen of them today.....I told her they would be around for 2 years yet and she says, "why wait until the price goes up".....
 
Puget Sound Energy came into my apartment complex two years ago and swapped out all the incandescents with new ones. If I can't get my hands on the old ones, does anyone really expect me not to take the mercury-laced ones and improperly dispose of them when they burn-out?
 
Oh, you're into painting? That's cool - I don't have any artistic tallent whatsoever. I do have two painting posters up: one is the Washington Crossing the Deleware (my personal favorite) and the other is a famous neoclassical gem titled Oath of the Hatorii.
 
Puget Sound Energy came into my apartment complex two years ago and swapped out all the incandescents with new ones. If I can't get my hands on the old ones, does anyone really expect me not to take the mercury-laced ones and improperly dispose of them when they burn-out?

:lol:

Here in California you cannot even find them, and the one's I have replaced, ended up in the trash.
 
Oh, you're into painting? That's cool - I don't have any artistic tallent whatsoever. I do have two painting posters up: one is the Washington Crossing the Deleware (my personal favorite) and the other is a famous neoclassical gem titled Oath of the Hatorii.
When I say painting, I mean as in painting a house or a room. The practical, rather than artistic, application.
 
Republicans Try to Block New Light Bulb Restrictions

Is the traditional 100-watt incandescent light bulb about to go the way of the Tyrannosaurus Rex?

Some Republicans on Capitol Hill hope not.

They want to overturn the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, signed by then-President George W. Bush. The law requires all 100-watt incandescent light bulbs to be almost 30-percent more energy efficient by Jan. 1, 2012.

Since that means higher production costs, manufacturers in America have stopped making the traditional bulbs. Some consumers have already started stockpiling the old-model bulbs, complaining that the replacements cast a unattractive light compared to the warmth of incandescent bulbs.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/22/republicans-try-block-new-light-bulb-restrictions/

good, i can't stand the new bulbs and they are not as environmentally friendly as claimed

Incandescent bulbs will still be available in this country, just not inefficient bulbs.


The only thing changing is the bulbs are required to be more energy efficient.

Funny how all you "drill here...drill now" whiners aren't onboard with bulbs that help us achieve energy independence...you want off foreign oil...just not enough to use an energy efficient lightbulb.

I guess polluting the land is okay if it's so we can drill for oil, but asking everyone to use energy efficient bulbs is just going too far.
 
Incandescent bulbs will still be available in this country, just not inefficient bulbs.


The only thing changing is the bulbs are required to be more energy efficient.

Funny how all you "drill here...drill now" whiners aren't onboard with bulbs that help us achieve energy independence...you want off foreign oil...just not enough to use an energy efficient lightbulb.

I guess polluting the land is okay if it's so we can drill for oil, but asking everyone to use energy efficient bulbs is just going too far.

your hatred and bitterness has once again caused you not understand what i actually said. go back and read it again, carefully. and then man up and admit you screwed up.

the new light bulbs are a joke and not good for the environment, for you to claim that using the new bulbs will ween us off foreign oil is so laughable it doesn't merit a reply.
 
your hatred and bitterness has once again caused you not understand what i actually said. go back and read it again, carefully. and then man up and admit you screwed up.

the new light bulbs are a joke and not good for the environment, for you to claim that using the new bulbs will ween us off foreign oil is so laughable it doesn't merit a reply.


Ah yes, here comes Douchey McPissypants with his standard personal attack...a pity he doesn't have the intelligence to address the FACTS in my post.

First....

The truth is that incandescent bulbs will still be available, but they will be more energy efficient, therefore they will likely cost a bit more.

Second...

I NEVER claimed using the new bulbs would "ween us off foreign oil" despite the fact that Mr. McPissypants seems prepared to spread the lie that I did just that.

Funny how whiny douchebags like young Master Pissypants can't just discuss the facts, but instead have to go off on another whinefest.
 
Ah yes, here comes Douchey McPissypants with his standard personal attack...a pity he doesn't have the intelligence to address the FACTS in my post.

First....

The truth is that incandescent bulbs will still be available, but they will be more energy efficient, therefore they will likely cost a bit more.

Second...

I NEVER claimed using the new bulbs would "ween us off foreign oil" despite the fact that Mr. McPissypants seems prepared to spread the lie that I did just that.

Funny how whiny douchebags like young Master Pissypants can't just discuss the facts, but instead have to go off on another whinefest.

personal attack? huh? and of course nannyzappa, while WHINING about my purported personal attack, dishes out a post that contains numerous childish personal attacks. of nannyzappa doesn't see it that way, he gets to whine about others supposedly attacking, but he exempt from his rule against personal attacks.

you did try and claim it would ween us off foreign oil...do you understand what you're tryping or are you that dishonest?
you want off foreign oil...just not enough to use an energy efficient lightbulb
the bulbs will NOT be available over 100 watts, unless they are currently in stock. why don't you chill out, stop the hate and bitterness and respond like a rational adult instead of whiny, hypocritical five year old.....mmmmmkay
 
personal attack? huh? and of course nannyzappa, while WHINING about my purported personal attack, dishes out a post that contains numerous childish personal attacks. of nannyzappa doesn't see it that way, he gets to whine about others supposedly attacking, but he exempt from his rule against personal attacks.

you did try and claim it would ween us off foreign oil...do you understand what you're tryping or are you that dishonest? the bulbs will NOT be available over 100 watts, unless they are currently in stock. why don't you chill out, stop the hate and bitterness and respond like a rational adult instead of whiny, hypocritical five year old.....mmmmmkay

So you still claim I said the new bulbs will "ween us off foreign oil"? Then it should be no problem whatsoever for you to link us all to that particular quote...we're waiting...

Second...so they won't make bulbs stronger than 100 watts? So "WATT"!!...BWAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Need more "wattage"? How about...ohhhhhh I don't know...using TWO 60 WATT BULBS TOGETHER.

Need MORE?

Go with TWO HUNDRED watt bulbs...man, was that sure was tough to figure out...I can see why this is giving young Master Pissypants such fits!
 
Zappas: My lightbulbs, along with everything else not using an infernal combustion engine (or gas), are powered by coal. We are independent when it comes to coal. Try and not mix apples with your oranges unless you are attempting to make a cocktail of some sort. Thank you.
 
the spiraly cfl's work wonders on God's plant the old school bulbs not soo much.

1 vote where topspin comes down on the bulb issue. Let there be Green!!!
 
Zappas: My lightbulbs, along with everything else not using an infernal combustion engine (or gas), are powered by coal. We are independent when it comes to coal. Try and not mix apples with your oranges unless you are attempting to make a cocktail of some sort. Thank you.

Let's talk about coal...

Using CFL bulbs will reduce the mercury content spit out into the air we breathe from coal-fired power plants. Fluorescent bulb use can result in about 70% less mercury put into the atmosphere than incandescent bulb use.

So we see...it's all part of the BIG PICTURE...less coal burned=ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.
 
So you still claim I said the new bulbs will "ween us off foreign oil"? Then it should be no problem whatsoever for you to link us all to that particular quote...we're waiting...

Second...so they won't make bulbs stronger than 100 watts? So "WATT"!!...BWAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Need more "wattage"? How about...ohhhhhh I don't know...using TWO 60 WATT BULBS TOGETHER.

Need MORE?

Go with TWO HUNDRED watt bulbs...man, was that sure was tough to figure out...I can see why this is giving young Master Pissypants such fits!

and of course the personal attacks continue, despite you WHINING about personal attacks. I prefer the 3 way, 50/100/150 bulbs. those bulbs can hardly be called inefficient. as to you quote, its plain as day, i'm surprised you would deny something so obvious:

you want off foreign oil...just not enough to use an energy efficient lightbulb.

your claim is that using energy efficient lightbulbs will get us of off foreign oil....even 3D read your comment that way. hilarious how you don't even understand what you're saying.
 
Funny how all you "drill here...drill now" whiners aren't onboard with bulbs that help us achieve energy independence...you want off foreign oil...just not enough to use an energy efficient lightbulb.

Funny how you didn't include my entire comment...but then again, doing so would show how you are just disingenuous liar, editing and taking people's comments out of context to try and make your point.

your claim is that using energy efficient lightbulbs will get us of off foreign oil....even 3D read your comment that way. hilarious how you don't even understand what you're saying.

No other points you brought up merit discussion if you can't even discuss my very straightforward comment honestly.
 
to spiral or not to spiral, you may not save what they promised. But if used to it's potential you can save thousands.
 
Funny how you didn't include my entire comment...but then again, doing so would show how you are just disingenuous liar, editing and taking people's comments out of context to try and make your point.



No other points you brought up merit discussion if you can't even discuss my very straightforward comment honestly.
Yurts just being a partisan hack showing he can spin anything the GOP supports. Never mind the fact that the energy bill that put this standard in place was approved by a GOP congress and signed into law by a GOP Presidents. Now their opposed to it and so Yurt is now too.

Here are some facts about CFL's. First, a typical CFL lasts about 6,000 to 15,000 hours of use where a comparable incandescent lamps will last 750 to 1,000 hours. So essentially a CFL will last ten times as long or longer then an incandescent one. CFL's also use about 1/4 the energy to produce the same quantity of light. For example, a 100 watt incandenscent lamp will generate about 1,600 lumens of light. It only takes 25 watts of power for a CFL to produce the same amount of light.

Then there is the quality of light. Recent formulations of phosphors make the light from a modern CFL of very near to same quality as incandescent lamps, so that is a very over stated issue and if you don't believe me, do the pepsi challenge. Go into a room lit by one, then the other in a blind test and tell me if you can tell the difference. I couldn't.

Then there is the issue of cost. A CFL will cost a bit more in purchase price then an incandescent lamp but because they use less electricity, produce more light per watt and last 10 times longer they are more cost affective then incandescent lamps and they are about 5 times more efficient in energy use.

So so far you have a huge advantage in performance and energy savings at a minute difference in light quality which brings us to the issue of CFL's and mercury.

In terms of environmental impact CFL's that go into a landfill or incinerator will discharge their mercury into the environment. In areas where energy sources other than coal is used to generate electricity this is a legitimate criticsm. So for example if you life in a western area where electricity is generated via hydroelectric power their would be a net increase in mercury into the environment. However, most of the US used coal and since coal contains mercury then the net affect is that the wide spread use of CFL's would reduce mercury emmision into the environment by about 2/3. For example, for about every 8000 hours a 100 watt incandescent lamp is used about 5.8 mg of mercury is emmited into the environment from the consumption of coal powered electricity. Conversely when a comparable CFL is used for 8000 hours only about 1.2 mg of mercury is emitted from coal powered electricity and about 0.6 mg mercury from the disposal of the lamp for a net total of 1.8 mg mercury. So from that standpoing CFL's represent a 66% decrease in mercury emmisions in regions where coal powered electricity predominates. Emmisions of mercury from CFL's can also be easily mitiagated by placing the lamp inside a ziplock baggie, then inserting it inside another (double bagging). This simple method can retain upwards to 90% of mercury emmisions from CFL's.

There there is the issue of mercury exposure. Mercury is a developmental toxin. In it's elemental form or as a hydride (the form found in CFL's) it's not that toxic to adults at the levels found in a CFL and the exposure from a broken lamp is so small as to be fairly insignficant. Young children are a different story and exposure to mercury is a concern but again, the levels of mercury are so low that this risk can be mitigated by simply removing children from a room were a CFL has broken and opening the windows for about 20 minutes to allow the mercury vapors to dissipate. So again, not really much of a concern there.

The biggest concern I have for CFL's is that they are mostly produced in nations like China which do not have worker safety standards for mercury exposure, i.e. work place PEL's (permissable exposure limits) nor do they have the appropriate administrative or engineering controls to prevent worker exposure to mercury and thus mercury poisoning has been a significant issue for those workers.

On the balance though there is much to be gained in energy conservation by using CFL's with little, if any, sacrifice in quality, safety or environmental impact.
 
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