Reconciliation Here We Come: Lieberman Announces Filibuster Of HCR

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/10/27/1484/0263Reconciliation Here We Come: Lieberman Announces Filibuster Of HCR


By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 01:08:04 PM EST
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In a way, this is good news:

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he’d back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care reform bill. [. . .] "I've told Sen. Reid that if the bill stays as it is now I will vote against cloture,” he said.[. . .] “I feel this way about a national, government-created health insurance company – whether it’s a trigger or not,” he said.“​

(Emphasis supplied.) Since Lieberman is there, then Lincoln, Landreiu and Ben Nelson will go there too. No health care reform through normal procedure. Notice especially Lieberman says he will filibuster even Snowe's Trigger (so much for Rahmbo's grand deal with the Princess from Maine.) Reconciliation it is.
Oh by the way, that means we go back to the ROBUST public option with NO opt out. That's the good news.
Update, as mcjoan notes, time to return to the Schumer Plan.
Speaking for me only

 

[Bonestorm]

First of all, Joe Lieberman, Joe Lieberman is my friend, and he is a good Democrat, votes with us on everything, except the war.

Good one, Harry!

 

[Chapdog]

the half baked health care schemes they are coming up with suck ass. How about just expand medicare for the 30M TRUE who cant afford it and then jack the ones who dont buy it but can afford it with no Individual federal tax deduction. Tax from fat foods, Pot, and other Sins goes into medicare.

Also time to end the death benefit of SSI. its nonsense and prob would solve the shortfall.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The amount of economic harm those sins do is doubtfully proportional to the amount of uninsured in America.

 

[Chapdog]

That is whats overloading our healthcare system (especially the fat foods, cigs, and booze).

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

stupid move

 

[SmarterthanYou]

someone tell me, does congress/senate members find themselves exempt from this mandatory health insurance?

 

[Bonestorm]

someone tell me, does congress/senate members find themselves exempt from this mandatory health insurance?

I'd love to answer your question if I knew what it was you are asking. What do you mean by "this mandatory health insurance?"

Members of Congress, like other federal employees, get their health insurance through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program. To my knowledge, nothing in the current bills would change that.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

someone tell me, does congress/senate members find themselves exempt from this mandatory health insurance?

That's a non-sequitor. They have a publicly paid for golden policy.

 

[meme]

go ahead and pass this crap against the citizens wishes...could be the best thing for the Republican party for YEARS to come...

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

There's never been a nation that's passed universal healthcare that has repealed it. The US isn't going to be the first.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I'd love to answer your question if I knew what it was you are asking. What do you mean by "this mandatory health insurance?"

mandatory health insurance. Like the kind that 'taxes' me 1200 dollars for refusal to get any.

Members of Congress, like other federal employees, get their health insurance through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program. To my knowledge, nothing in the current bills would change that.

so the 'public option' wouldn't provide the same benefits to me that Nancy Pelosi gets to enjoy?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

There's never been a nation that's passed universal healthcare that has repealed it. The US isn't going to be the first.

because too many idiots wouldn't be able to see the disadvantages.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

so the 'public option' wouldn't provide the same benefits to me that Nancy Pelosi gets to enjoy?

To get the benefits that federal employees have you'd have to pay for them. Everyone keeps the insurance they had before; this was a demand of yours, afterall.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

the half baked health care schemes they are coming up with suck ass. How about just expand medicare for the 30M TRUE who cant afford it and then jack the ones who dont buy it but can afford it with no Individual federal tax deduction. Tax from fat foods, Pot, and other Sins goes into medicare.

Also time to end the death benefit of SSI. its nonsense and prob would solve the shortfall.

Before we do anything, we better figure out what we are going to do with Medicare's 38 trillion unfunded liability.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Before we do anything, we better figure out what we are going to do with Medicare's 38 trillion unfunded liability.

Before we adddress medicare's "38 trillion unfunded liability", I must ask you how the hell you calculated it? And if it's just a matter of raising the medicare taxes?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Before we adddress medicare's "38 trillion unfunded liability", I must ask you how the hell you calculated it? And if it's just a matter of raising the medicare taxes?

right. because the primary motivation for me to do anything is give even more of my crappy income to the loser down the street that bums cigarettes off of my other neighbor, through higher taxes.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

right. because the primary motivation for me to do anything is give even more of my crappy income to the loser down the street that bums cigarettes off of my other neighbor, through higher taxes.

Medicare is a program that pays for medical costs for the elderly. It pools risk, but that bum who bums cigarrettes pays for it anyway because of huge cigarette taxes. There's nothing wrong with a mandatory risk pool; in many instance it makes more sense than just leaving people to the health lottery.

If medical costs are going up in your risk pooling program, then you have to pay for them through higher taxes. Either that or just let some people die. Society doesn't gain anything from just leaving people up to the elements, especially for things like health which are none of their fault.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Before we adddress medicare's "38 trillion unfunded liability", I must ask you how the hell you calculated it? And if it's just a matter of raising the medicare taxes?

Don't you ever read the CBO reports? Paying for the promised benefits will eventually force Congress to impose a 63% income tax on the middle class and an 88% tax on the “wealthy.”

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Don't you ever read the CBO reports? Paying for the promised benefits will eventually force Congress to impose a 63% income tax on the middle class and an 88% tax on the “wealthy.”

How did they arrive at the decision to put which brackets where?

Are you advocating just letting the elderly die? Getting rid of medicare and leaving them to the forces of nature isn't going to make society have to pay any less for their medical care. If it will eventually result in a cost that is equivalent to a 63% income tax on middle class then the cost is still going to be there whether it's paid for by their relatives or by a risk pool system.