Press Conference

The claims that Bush was on vacation were usually a lot of bullshit.

When you have the resources at your disposal that the president does, you can do your job from wherever you are.

If you are still getting all the briefings, talking to the same people you normally would, and doing just as much at your ranch or at Camp David as you would at the White House, its hard to call that a vacation.

Oh, believe me, I absolutely agree with that and I said the very same thing when they were bitching about Bush's vacation. However, your point applies to President Obama as well. It seems that some conservatives are bitching about Obama's vacation. Yet, if I am not mistaken those very same conservatives were the ones defending President Bush's vacation.

Immie
 
Additionally, as is the way of the centrist, he too often took both sides of the issue as he did when responding to whether the Bush Administration would face investigation of their crimes.


Those of us who remain above the partisanship, bipartisanship, and theatrics are not impressed by performances



Bac , you said this in the same post. You admonish Obama for being centrist and then aclaim yourself for being above politics.

You are not above politics you are extreme left socialist. Now I want to remind you I am one who finds nothing wrong with your position and think your heart is in the right place. Beyond that we are a country of people from all sides. He is trying to be the American president. That means he is the president of the far right also. Hes trying to bring as many people along as possible. Think for a damn second. You want shock and awe from him. Hes trying for peace talks. There is no better way to search for peace than to be willing to try too hard to please the republicans so much that the media starts saying he has embarrassed himself by groveling to them. We are not even a month into this presidency. Obama is willing to take the slings and arrows to bring all he can along with him. Once the country ( remember those people, the voters , America) has seen him bow too low they will side with him over these idiots who are white knuckledly clingging to partisan hackery and their power will be fully extinguished. BIG PICTURE FOLKS. It has not even been a damed month.
 
Oh, believe me, I absolutely agree with that and I said the very same thing when they were bitching about Bush's vacation. However, your point applies to President Obama as well. It seems that some conservatives are bitching about Obama's vacation. Yet, if I am not mistaken those very same conservatives were the ones defending President Bush's vacation.

Immie

How quickly some people forget. Typical political partisan b.s.
 
Additionally, as is the way of the centrist, he too often took both sides of the issue as he did when responding to whether the Bush Administration would face investigation of their crimes.


Those of us who remain above the partisanship, bipartisanship, and theatrics are not impressed by performances



Bac , you said this in the same post. You admonish Obama for being centrist and then aclaim yourself for being above politics.

You are not above politics you are extreme left socialist. Now I want to remind you I am one who finds nothing wrong with your position and think your heart is in the right place. Beyond that we are a country of people from all sides. He is trying to be the American president. That means he is the president of the far right also. Hes trying to bring as many people along as possible. Think for a damn second. You want shock and awe from him. Hes trying for peace talks. There is no better way to search for peace than to be willing to try too hard to please the republicans so much that the media starts saying he has embarrassed himself by groveling to them. We are not even a month into this presidency. Obama is willing to take the slings and arrows to bring all he can along with him. Once the country ( remember those people, the voters , America) has seen him bow too low they will side with him over these idiots who are white knuckledly clingging to partisan hackery and their power will be fully extinguished. BIG PICTURE FOLKS. It has not even been a damed month.

First, I never said I was above politics, nor that I don't engage in politics.

I said I was above partisanship, bipartisanship, and theatrics. If you think that's all there is to politics, you would be wrong.

And, absolutely yes I am a far-left socialist .. but I do not expect nor do I need a far-left American president. All I'm looking for is a reasonably honest one who puts the interests of the American people before Wall Street and his own.

I'm not sure how much evidence you're going to need before you recognize you've been had by the Obambi mindfuck, nor am I even sure any amount of evidence will convince you no matter what he does .. however, all that I've been saying about him has become even more clear and I correctly predicted much of what we're seeing beginning to unravel about him.

I respect your right to adore him as much as you possibly can, but your adoration doesn't change the fact of Geithner and Summers, it doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting for a more serious and robust stimulus package, or the fact that it doesn't address the tramsparency, accountability, or oversight that he promised. I said this would happen .. but people like you told me I had no right to criticize him because he wasn't in office yet .. now you saying he's only been in office a month.

I'm sorry we differ in our perspectives about Obama, but I'm not a partisan and I don't care much for Obama or his weak in the knees centrist politics.

Sure, Obama says he wants to talk, and I applaud that .. but his envoy to Iran is Dennis Ross. Do you know who Dennis Ross is? I do.

As I said, I'm not impressed with talk or theatrics

You can keep ignoring the evidence, but I'm going to keep talking about it.
 
And you would be absolutely right again .. but notice that we get no pushback on that from womens' groups, Hillary Clinton, or much of anybody on the so-called left. As you correctly point out the obvious sexism of the right, I think it is equally important to consider the weakness of the left.

They are right .. it is easier for them to attack Pelosi even when they should be attacking Obambi or Reid.

I would respectfully disagree. I dont think it is sexism that is causing them to call out Pelosi. Reid is a spineless weakling, he is not a threat. Obama is still in the honeymoon phase and while the general populace is still in that phase I dont think they will target him directly. Pelosi on the other hand doesn't shy away from pushing her agenda. She is the perceived threat and one that they can easily label uber-liberal, thus becoming the tool for fear mongering. For now, she can be the boogeyman.
 
I would respectfully disagree. I dont think it is sexism that is causing them to call out Pelosi. Reid is a spineless weakling, he is not a threat. Obama is still in the honeymoon phase and while the general populace is still in that phase I dont think they will target him directly. Pelosi on the other hand doesn't shy away from pushing her agenda. She is the perceived threat and one that they can easily label uber-liberal, thus becoming the tool for fear mongering. For now, she can be the boogeyman.

Well, "respectfully" i have never known either you or Damo to call something either racism or sexism. You always have another excuse. And that's a right-wing trait, but I've never figured out why they must be in this denial. Look at what happens when bac argues about sentencing disparity, clear cut!, and yet there are righties here who deny it. Though at least you and damo will admit to that.
 
First, I never said I was above politics, nor that I don't engage in politics.

I said I was above partisanship, bipartisanship, and theatrics. If you think that's all there is to politics, you would be wrong.

And, absolutely yes I am a far-left socialist .. but I do not expect nor do I need a far-left American president. All I'm looking for is a reasonably honest one who puts the interests of the American people before Wall Street and his own.

I'm not sure how much evidence you're going to need before you recognize you've been had by the Obambi mindfuck, nor am I even sure any amount of evidence will convince you no matter what he does .. however, all that I've been saying about him has become even more clear and I correctly predicted much of what we're seeing beginning to unravel about him.

I respect your right to adore him as much as you possibly can, but your adoration doesn't change the fact of Geithner and Summers, it doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting for a more serious and robust stimulus package, or the fact that it doesn't address the tramsparency, accountability, or oversight that he promised. I said this would happen .. but people like you told me I had no right to criticize him because he wasn't in office yet .. now you saying he's only been in office a month.

I'm sorry we differ in our perspectives about Obama, but I'm not a partisan and I don't care much for Obama or his weak in the knees centrist politics.

Sure, Obama says he wants to talk, and I applaud that .. but his envoy to Iran is Dennis Ross. Do you know who Dennis Ross is? I do.

As I said, I'm not impressed with talk or theatrics

You can keep ignoring the evidence, but I'm going to keep talking about it.


Well, he is fighting to get those cuts back into the stimulus bill, but I know you will say it wouldn't matter the bill stinks no matter what is put back in, because it was a bad bill to begin with.
 
I agree Pelosi has more back bone that Reid by a longshot.
Answer, replace Reid
And show more of Pelosi sticking a stilletto up repukes butts for consumer confidence.
 
I agree Pelosi has more back bone that Reid by a longshot.
Answer, replace Reid
And show more of Pelosi sticking a stilletto up repukes butts for consumer confidence.

Pelosi sticking a stilletto up repukes butts will give consumers confidence? Umm, well, it does sound as if it might stimulate the porn industry. I bet that Vitter will go out and pay to have himself diapered again!
 
when I posted about Obama being on vacation, I wasn't begrudging him one, I was pointing out the double standards of the ways they were treated when President Bush went to camp David and the way it is when Obama goes there by the leftist and the media..

I hope Obama take lots of vacations. because then.
 
Well, "respectfully" i have never known either you or Damo to call something either racism or sexism. You always have another excuse. And that's a right-wing trait, but I've never figured out why they must be in this denial. Look at what happens when bac argues about sentencing disparity, clear cut!, and yet there are righties here who deny it. Though at least you and damo will admit to that.

What a load of bullshit. You must have been holding that in for a while.

Your problem, from my viewpoint, is that you proclaim sexism anytime a woman is attacked or perceived to be attacked (talking verbally here obviously). You assume it must be because she is a woman. It is rather ironic, because it is YOU that doesn't see her to be an equal and thus assume it is her gender. Yet you easily dismiss the thought that it is because between her and Reid, she is the greater perceived threat.

When is the last time you saw Reid take charge on ANYTHING?
 
What a load of bullshit. You must have been holding that in for a while.

Your problem, from my viewpoint, is that you proclaim sexism anytime a woman is attacked or perceived to be attacked (talking verbally here obviously). You assume it must be because she is a woman. It is rather ironic, because it is YOU that doesn't see her to be an equal and thus assume it is her gender. Yet you easily dismiss the thought that it is because between her and Reid, she is the greater perceived threat.

When is the last time you saw Reid take charge on ANYTHING?

Ah. I'm sexist because I recognize sexism. That old canard.
 
Ah. I'm sexist because I recognize sexism. That old canard.

This is exactly what I am referring to. If Pelosi were a man, you would be saying they are attacking because of the threat. But because she is a woman, you proclaim it sexism. It never occurs to you that they are treating her just as they would a man in her position. To you, she is a poor little victim of those mean old men. You demean her, because it makes you feel better to proclaim sexism!
 
This is exactly what I am referring to. If Pelosi were a man, you would be saying they are attacking because of the threat. But because she is a woman, you proclaim it sexism. It never occurs to you that they are treating her just as they would a man in her position. To you, she is a poor little victim of those mean old men. You demean her, because it makes you feel better to proclaim sexism!

You are really clueless about many things, but none so much as women.
 
You are really clueless about many things, but none so much as women.

LMAO... ah yes, the old cop out... While I certainly don't know all there is to know about women, I do recognize bull shit, regardless of who is shoveling it.

It just cannot be that she is being treated just like a man would be in her position. It has to be sexism. How truly pathetic of you.
 
LMAO... ah yes, the old cop out... While I certainly don't know all there is to know about women, I do recognize bull shit, regardless of who is shoveling it.

It just cannot be that she is being treated just like a man would be in her position. It has to be sexism. How truly pathetic of you.

Okay.
 
First, I never said I was above politics, nor that I don't engage in politics.

I said I was above partisanship, bipartisanship, and theatrics. If you think that's all there is to politics, you would be wrong.

And, absolutely yes I am a far-left socialist .. but I do not expect nor do I need a far-left American president. All I'm looking for is a reasonably honest one who puts the interests of the American people before Wall Street and his own.

I'm not sure how much evidence you're going to need before you recognize you've been had by the Obambi mindfuck, nor am I even sure any amount of evidence will convince you no matter what he does .. however, all that I've been saying about him has become even more clear and I correctly predicted much of what we're seeing beginning to unravel about him.

I respect your right to adore him as much as you possibly can, but your adoration doesn't change the fact of Geithner and Summers, it doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting for a more serious and robust stimulus package, or the fact that it doesn't address the tramsparency, accountability, or oversight that he promised. I said this would happen .. but people like you told me I had no right to criticize him because he wasn't in office yet .. now you saying he's only been in office a month.

I'm sorry we differ in our perspectives about Obama, but I'm not a partisan and I don't care much for Obama or his weak in the knees centrist politics.

Sure, Obama says he wants to talk, and I applaud that .. but his envoy to Iran is Dennis Ross. Do you know who Dennis Ross is? I do.

As I said, I'm not impressed with talk or theatrics

You can keep ignoring the evidence, but I'm going to keep talking about it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ross


Bac, I just dont get you.

You keep sighting people who are just not as bad as you try to make them out to be.

Not even a month in and you think all these people are no change.

This man is an expert on middle east peace negociations.

You see evil where none exsists.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ross


Bac, I just dont get you.

You keep sighting people who are just not as bad as you try to make them out to be.

Not even a month in and you think all these people are no change.

This man is an expert on middle east peace negociations.

You see evil where none exsists.

That's what you said about Geithner and Larry "nonwhite life is unimprtant and women are inherently stupid" Summers.

Guess whose assessment about them is being proved correct .. yours or mine?

My politics are based on evidence and analysis.

While the Iran portfolio remains unassigned, one figure stands out as a likely Obama appointee: Dennis Ross, a former US ambassador to Israel and lead negotiator during Israeli-Palestinian talks under President Bill Clinton. The New York Times reported Ross's presence inside the State Department on January 28, however, his duties remain unspecified. Considering Ross's hand in crafting Obama's outreach to the Israel lobby, and his own recent orientation towards US-Iran policy, there is reason to believe he will get the vaunted Iran portfolio, a pivotal component of Obama's foreign policy.

During the campaign, Obama faced an onslaught of attacks on his Muslim background and insinuations that he harbored sympathies to enemies of Israel. Enter Dennis Ross. The veteran diplomat is widely believed to have crafted Obama's campaign address to the American-Israeli Political Action committee in which the candidate called for an undying commitment to America's alliance with Israel and ensured that Jerusalem would remain "undivided," a controversial proposal that contradicted President George W. Bush's "Road Map For Peace." Having helped consolidate Jewish support for the young senator, Ross positioned himself for a prominent position in the upcoming administration.

Ross's hard line on Iran raised eyebrows. In the heat of the presidential race, Ross co-chaired an ad hoc group called United Against A Nuclear Iran. Members of the organization comprised a who's who of neocons and Iran hawks, including former Bush advisor Karen Hughes, neoconservative scholar Fouad Ajami, and Jim Woolsey, the former CIA chief who clamored for an invasion of Iraq well before Bush assumed power. In September, Ross added his signature to a report demanding that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment activities as a precondition for negotiation. Joining Ross in support of the statement were arch-neoconservatives Michael Makovsky and the American Enterprise Institute's Michael Rubin, with consultation from Patrick Clawson, the Iran specialist at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a think tank formed by AIPAC.

Ross' support for the confrontational statement is no surprise. He is closely tied to the Israel lobby, currently serving as a counselor and distinguished fellow at WINEP. When Ross joined the Obama campaign, WINEP released a statement declaring Ross a "nonexclusive" advisor in accordance its non-partisan classification. Despite these ties, or perhaps because of them, Ross appears in line for an appointment as envoy to Iran, or a position like it. For anyone hoping for a break from the confrontational approach to the Islamic Republic that has prevailed for eight years, this is a disturbing prospect.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-gharib/dennis-ross-as-iran-envoy_b_162116.html

None of that is news to me .. in fact, there is far more to be told about Dennis Ross. I know because I research .. and we differ, with all due respect, because it appears that you do not.

I see problems where it exists .. something you cannot do with your hands covering your eyes.

I'm right about Dennis Ross .. and unbeknownst to you .. we are already trying to undermine Iran and we're already engaged in a secret proxy war against Iran .. at the tune of hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars.

Go here and learn ...
http://current.com/items/89438469/america_s_secret_war.htm?xid=200

Guess who's behind that secret war?

Stop falling for the okey-doke.
 
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Well, he is fighting to get those cuts back into the stimulus bill, but I know you will say it wouldn't matter the bill stinks no matter what is put back in, because it was a bad bill to begin with.

No .. if he produces a reasonably good bill I'll applaud it .. but it doesn't look good as evidenced by his willingness to capitulate to republican demands. In fact, there's a fight brewing among democrats about the level of capitualtion that went into the Senate bill.

Listen very carefully to Obama over the next few days and ask yourself how hard is he really "fighting" to restore those cuts.

If he does, I'll be happy to say I was wrong .. even though it will still be an inadequate bill.
 
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