Poor Krugman.... so confused...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/opinion/15krugman.html

Mr. Obama could and should be hammering Republicans for trying to hold the middle class hostage to secure tax cuts for the wealthy.

Poor Krugman.... someone should tell him that the Bush tax cuts were only for the wealthy Americans. That is what the left has been shouting for 9 years now isn't it?

What 'middle class cuts' is he referring to?

Surely Bush didn't add any cuts that actually benefited non-wealthy people did he? It was all for the wealthy wasn't it? No REAL cuts for the middle class of any consequence could have been implemented by the evilz Pres. Bush.... right???

 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/opinion/15krugman.html



Poor Krugman.... someone should tell him that the Bush tax cuts were only for the wealthy Americans. That is what the left has been shouting for 9 years now isn't it?

What 'middle class cuts' is he referring to?

Surely Bush didn't add any cuts that actually benefited non-wealthy people did he? It was all for the wealthy wasn't it? No REAL cuts for the middle class of any consequence could have been implemented by the evilz Pres. Bush.... right???

How many times do we have to go through this exercise? The argument isn't that only the rich got tax cuts but that the rich got the greatest benefit from the tax cuts. And whether you believe it or not is simply a matter of perspective.

I understand why you want to rehash that argument instead of arguing the merits of what Krugman said. After all, who benefitted most from the Bush tax cuts is something that can be argued but what Krugman said cannot be. The Republicans (and "moderate" Democratic senators) are holding middle class tax cuts hostage to secure tax cuts for the wealthy.

 

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Doesn't really matter if the tax cuts did help the middle class. We couldn't afford them regardless. We can't afford them now but it's politically impossible to touch them. Bush has hurt our country, like all conservatives.

 

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And right now the Republicans want even more permanent tax cuts to corporations, investors, and the rich that we can't fucking afford. When will it end? Until this country is 100% supported by the middle and lower class? Atlas needs to shrug. Fuck the rich.

 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/opinion/15krugman.html



Poor Krugman.... someone should tell him that the Bush tax cuts were only for the wealthy Americans. That is what the left has been shouting for 9 years now isn't it?

What 'middle class cuts' is he referring to?

Surely Bush didn't add any cuts that actually benefited non-wealthy people did he? It was all for the wealthy wasn't it? No REAL cuts for the middle class of any consequence could have been implemented by the evilz Pres. Bush.... right???

Superfreak, the left shouts about the wealthy, we shout about the deficit, we shout about the Chineses their currency to under cut us, we shout about the poor and the elderly. We shout about a lot of things that need to be addressed in order to turn this country around.
We start with the tax cuts on the upper class, then we take the middle tax cuts away, as we are trimming the unnecessary spending from the government.
This is how I see it being done, but we have to start somewhere.
Bush was an evil President, and that has been made more evident with every interview I see on TV, but his Congress was as equally evil and we the people. stupid for letting it happen.

 

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And right now the Republicans want even more permanent tax cuts to corporations, investors, and the rich that we can't fucking afford. When will it end? Until this country is 100% supported by the middle and lower class? Atlas needs to shrug. Fuck the rich.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE, brother, right on!

 

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How many times do we have to go through this exercise? The argument isn't that only the rich got tax cuts but that the rich got the greatest benefit from the tax cuts. And whether you believe it or not is simply a matter of perspective.

I understand why you want to rehash that argument instead of arguing the merits of what Krugman said. After all, who benefitted most from the Bush tax cuts is something that can be argued but what Krugman said cannot be. The Republicans (and "moderate" Democratic senators) are holding middle class tax cuts hostage to secure tax cuts for the wealthy.

Wrong. What Krugman says is opinion and opinion alone. You could also argue that the Democrats are holding the middle class tax cuts hostage to their insistence on implementing class warfare. On their non-stop 'just tax the rich more' campaign.

They could just as easily extend the tax cuts for everyone for two years and quite whining about how much the tax cuts for the wealthy will cost over the next 75 years blah blah blah.

 

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And right now the Republicans want even more permanent tax cuts to corporations, investors, and the rich that we can't fucking afford. When will it end? Until this country is 100% supported by the middle and lower class? Atlas needs to shrug. Fuck the rich.

Supported by the middle and lower class? The top half pay 97% of all income taxes emoboy. Compared to 87% of the income.

So tell us again how they aren't already paying their 'fair share'.

 

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Supported by the middle and lower class? The top half pay 97% of all income taxes emoboy. Compared to 87% of the income.

So tell us again how they aren't already paying their 'fair share'.

Through the use of the tax code, most don't pay what they owe! This is why our over bloated tax system needs to be revised so that there is a fair tax.

 

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Wrong. What Krugman says is opinion and opinion alone. You could also argue that the Democrats are holding the middle class tax cuts hostage to their insistence on implementing class warfare. On their non-stop 'just tax the rich more' campaign.

They could just as easily extend the tax cuts for everyone for two years and quite whining about how much the tax cuts for the wealthy will cost over the next 75 years blah blah blah.

You're hilarious. Here's a hint: class warfare need not be "implemented" as it has been raging for quite a while now and the rich are winning.

By the way, aren't you supposed to be a deficit hawk? If so, why do you want tax cuts at all?

 

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And right now the Republicans want even more permanent tax cuts to corporations, investors, and the rich that we can't fucking afford. When will it end? Until this country is 100% supported by the middle and lower class? Atlas needs to shrug. Fuck the rich.

How much money does one have to make to be considered rich?

 

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Supported by the middle and lower class? The top half pay 97% of all income taxes emoboy. Compared to 87% of the income.

So tell us again how they aren't already paying their 'fair share'.

Source for the percentages?

So you think it inequitable that the 50% of income earners that collectively earn 13% of all income in the United State pay only 3% of all income (I assume we're only talking about income) taxes? How Republican of you.

 

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Through the use of the tax code, most don't pay what they owe! This is why our over bloated tax system needs to be revised so that there is a fair tax.

1) Yes... they pay what they owe... with the exception of the idiots in DC who seem to think they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

2) That said, there are far too many deductions and loopholes in the system and obviously I agree it needs to be changed. Which is why everyone should forward my proposal for a flat tax with standard deduction to their rep and Senators.

 

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1) Yes... they pay what they owe... with the exception of the idiots in DC who seem to think they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

2) That said, there are far too many deductions and loopholes in the system and obviously I agree it needs to be changed. Which is why everyone should forward my proposal for a flat tax with standard deduction to their rep and Senators.

WE have always agreed on that one SF!

 

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Source for the percentages?

So you think it inequitable that the 50% of income earners that collectively earn 13% of all income in the United State pay only 3% of all income (I assume we're only talking about income) taxes? How Republican of you.

given that this TOPIC is INCOME TAX BRACKETS.... yes... that is indeed what we are talking about.

That said, while I do think executive pay has gotten way out of control as has the pay for athletes, actors etc.... it is not something that should be dictated by the government. It is not the governments job to regulate equal pay (meaning in regards to executives vs. avg worker) or to reallocate wealth.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html (table one is what you want for data)

Side note: The top 10% earn 46% of income and pay 70% of income taxes

 

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Side note: The top 10% earn 46% of income and pay 70% of income taxes

Unpossible. A little birdie told me just last week that our income tax system was extremely regressive at the top end.

 

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1) Yes... they pay what they owe... with the exception of the idiots in DC who seem to think they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

2) That said, there are far too many deductions and loopholes in the system and obviously I agree it needs to be changed. Which is why everyone should forward my proposal for a flat tax with standard deduction to their rep and Senators.

An income tax of any kind is a problem. Bad, bad, bad.

The only real answer is to get rid of income tax, and if you're really dead set on a national tax, make a national sales tax.

 

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An income tax of any kind is a problem. Bad, bad, bad.

The only real answer is to get rid of income tax, and if you're really dead set on a national tax, make a national sales tax.

wrong. A national sales tax would tend to be regressive. Or it would result in the same type of mess we currently have where everyone wanted THEIR product to be exempt and thus would bribe politicians to get on the 'approved list' or their would be 'rebates' based on some arbitrary bullshit.

Enough of the arbitrary. Have a concrete plan that is simple, progressive and fair. Done.

 

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Unpossible. A little birdie told me just last week that our income tax system was extremely regressive at the top end.

Are you really this fucking retarded?

It is REGRESSIVE in the effective tax rates you twit.

It is not regressive in the total dollars paid as a percentage of total income.

I know you are just being your normal ignorant hackish self, but the above post by you is simply pathetic.

You didn't think the data was actually there, so you asked for it. Now that you see it was real, you want to stomp your feet and try and divert the topic.

You are the ditzie of the left.

 

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Are you really this fucking retarded?

It is REGRESSIVE in the effective tax rates you twit.

It is not regressive in the total dollars paid as a percentage of total income.

I know you are just being your normal ignorant hackish self, but the above post by you is simply pathetic.

You didn't think the data was actually there, so you asked for it. Now that you see it was real, you want to stomp your feet and try and divert the topic.

You are the ditzie of the left.

I was just fucking with you, man. You need to relax and not take things so damned seriously.

Thanks for the link. I've been looking for that info and couldn't locate it.