Plummeting Marijuana Prices Create A Panic In Calif.

Topspin said:
the article linked even supposes RJ Reynolds taking over.

Yes dirt weed demand is down, people shucking out $400 oz want hydro or quality seni grown in doors. That demand is not down at all, what you have is now mom and pop indoor growers less afraid and doing it legit to dispenseries. The schwag grown outdoors will be shipped out to poor people.
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GED, KKK, poor.
 
RStringfield said:
So? Those are criminals. Are all waste management companies criminals? Is there something about garbage that turns normal law abiding people into violent thugs.

I am sure, there is some illegal activity in every industry. But we don't ban the industry, which would only turn it over to criminals. Instead we try to minimize the crime. A legal market in marijuana WILL greatly reduce crime in the market. I am sure there will still be some crime within the market, but that's just the reality of our world.
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The crimes in these industries are too difficult to police. That's why they're ongoing.
 
The main point is that the cartels wouldn't be cartels, if their product was legal and they were simply doing business.

Once the product is legal, using illegal means or methods to transport or sell it would be lunacy.
 
Besides that, my guess is the reason that the syndicate born out of prohibition moved into waste management is because that's an industry that we have pushed out of the sight. That makes it harder to police. If we created a red light district for pot, where you could only get it in some remote location, I am sure that would invite problems. But, I don't advocate that.
 
Superfreak said:
smelly hippies???

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Southern Man said:
One picture worth 1000 words:

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Plagiarism!
 
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RStringfield said:
Then tell us what are the always toxic effects of marijuana? You give us stuff largely related to how the drug is taken and bunch of vague stuff about how it MAY affect people with pre-existing conditions.

So, it's probably not a good idea to smoke Viagra or take it if you have a heart condition. The rest of us will be on the lookout for that four-hour boner and putting out the do not disturb sign.

There are possible negative health effects, but they are relatively minor, and individuals are quite capable of making their own rational decisions on whether to use or not. Read the sign.
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I pasted some information based on a Google search because Billy asked for information/instances that cited problems with marijuana.

I boldened the parts that indicated at this juncture no precise facts are known since they haven't been studying the ill effects of marijuana use as long as they have cigarette use.

Just because there isn't definitive proof that marijuana is dangerous because it's not in an AMA study, or in years of rigourous clinical studies conclusively determining it's dangerous, does not mean IN MY HUMBLE ESTIMATION, that it isn't harmful or dangerous.

The irony is that for decades they said the same happy horse$hit about cigarette smoking and it didn't stop people from dying from lung cancer, or alter the fact that once the studies were concluded that all along it was bad for you and definitively contributed to lung cancer deaths.

I am sure there were millions who wanted to believe the same happy horse$hit that marijuana smokers now want to believe. They too continued to puff away, day in day out, substantiating killing themselves due to lack of clinical data.

I don't smoke dope. I think smoking dope is for dopes unless it is for a bonafide medical reason. That being said, I am not telling anyone they can't toke away until the time comes, and it will come, when they finally tell you all those years when there was no definitive proof it really WASN'T good for you after all.

You inhale any burning weed; I don't care if it's horse$hit or genetically enhanced super bud, hold it down in your lungs for an extended period of time, daily and for years on end and think it's long term effects are neglible, isn't just silly, it's stupid.

I don't need a report from the AMA to decide that for me. It's effin' common sense!
 
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usaloyal2theend said:
The irony is that for decades they said the same happy horse$hit about cigarette smoking and it didn't stop people from dying from lung cancer, or alter the fact that once the studies were concluded that all along it was bad for you and definitively contributed to lung cancer deaths.

I am sure there were millions who wanted to believe the same happy horse$hit that marijuana smokers now want to believe. They too continued to puff away, day in day out, substantiating killing themselves due to lack of clinical data.
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That is a bunch of fucking nonsense. I did not even challenge the findings of the research claims you posted. I just pointed out why they are not that damning or relevant. I am not the least bit skeptical of the idea that inhaling marijuana smoke is bad for you. It's not good to inhale smoke, period.

You have done nothing but ignore my points and erect a straw man.

usaloyal2theend said:
I don't smoke dope. I think smoking dope is for dopes unless it is for a bonafide medical reason. That being said, I am not telling anyone they can't toke away until the time comes, and it will come, when they finally tell you all those years when there was no definitive proof it really WASN'T good for you after all.
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Do you drink? Salt is not good for you in anything but small quantities. Do you support the government extending it's reach into that area, as well? Or are you just a part time nazi?

The government has no right to determine what is an acceptable risk for me nor does it have the right to make my medical decisions.
 
You guys just don't have a clue about the market for marijuana or how it is used.

Tobacco is dangerous even if it is not smoked. Like alcohol, it is toxic in high doses. Marijuana is not.

I don't doubt that smoking it will do you harm, just as it would probably cause you harm to smoke corn. But there is no reason to believe eating it will harm you.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a marijuana smoker and a cigarette smoker. A cigarette smoker engages in that habit largely for the sensation of smoking. The sensation and process becomes a habit and past time in itself. If that were not true it would be very easy to get someone to give up smoking for nictoine replacement.

The smoking sensation is not what the pot smoker is interested in. He gets his high and does not care about smoking again until it wears off. So they would be far more likely to move to some other form of ingestion if it were made avaialable. Further, you can concentrate the THC to make it were less of that nasty plant matter needs to be smoked.

You don't need to study it for a billion year to find the first clue that it is significantly dangerous and you don't have it. All we have to do is look at the occurrence of lung cancer among pot smokers and non pot smokers to see that there is no increased cancer risk with regular use. And there has not been one case of a person who has developed lung cancer solely from smoking marijuana. Now there are some bullshit studies out there that show if you smoke it like a cigarette smoker smokes tobacco it might increase some cancer risks. But nobody does that and legalizing could only reduce that harm.

If you were really concerned about health risks you would support legalization. But that is just a cover for hate and hypocrisy.
 
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Many pot smokers don't even smoke 2 joints a day which wouldn't correlate with high cancer rates on cigarettes either.
 
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