"Operation Wetback"

[cawacko]

Trump didn't reference it by name last night but he referred to the program when talking about Ike and deporting those here illegally. (I'm open to hearing from anyone, especially conservatives, if you think I'm off or wrong. I won't be offended.)

From my perspective he's already made it abundantly clear he wants to build a wall and wants to deport all those here illegally. Making reference to this program was just sticking another foot into the eyes of Hispanics, whose votes he will ultimately need to win the Presidency. I understand the question was how will you go about deporting all those here illegally and he made reference to Ike doing it. The people here illegally during Ike's time were mostly single men in a few boarder cities. That is nowhere close to what we have today. And thousands died out in the desert during Operation Wetback. I understand that's not a problem to some people but when you are trying to win a national election you don't win people you need to vote for you over to your side that way.

At the end of the day I don't want to see a President Hillary and to me Trump's rhetoric will ultimately push us closer to it.

 

[christiefan915]

Trump didn't reference it by name last night but he referred to the program when talking about Ike and deporting those here illegally. (I'm open to hearing from anyone, especially conservatives, if you think I'm off or wrong. I won't be offended.)

From my perspective he's already made it abundantly clear he wants to build a wall and wants to deport all those here illegally. Making reference to this program was just sticking another foot into the eyes of Hispanics, whose votes he will ultimately need to win the Presidency. I understand the question was how will you go about deporting all those here illegally and he made reference to Ike doing it. The people here illegally during Ike's time were mostly single men in a few boarder cities. That is nowhere close to what we have today. And thousands died out in the desert during Operation Wetback. I understand that's not a problem to some people but when you are trying to win a national election you don't win people you need to vote for you over to your side that way.

At the end of the day I don't want to see a President Hillary and to me Trump's rhetoric will ultimately push us closer to it.

Eisenhower's operation was nothing to brag about. Trump never should have used it as an example.

"The Eisenhower mass deportation policy was tragic," Aguilar said. "Human rights were violated. People were removed to distant locations without food and water. There were many deaths, unnecessary deaths. Sometimes even U.S. citizens of Hispanic origin, of Mexican origin were removed. It was a travesty. It was terrible. Immigrants were humiliated. So to say it's a success story is ridiculous. It shows that Mr. Trump doesn't know what he's talking about."

And

3. The program proved deadly
In her book Impossible Subjects, Mae Ngai writes that many Mexicans were deported by ship. A congressional investigation, according to the book, compared the conditions on the ship to that of an "eighteenth century slave ship."

In another case, immigration authorities dumped hundreds of thousands of braceros across the border. She continues:

"Some 88 braceros died of sun stroke as a result of a round-up that had taken place in 112-degree heat, and [an American labor official] argued that more would have died had Red Cross not intervened. At the other end of the border, in Nuevo Laredo, a Mexican labor leader reported that 'wetbacks' were 'brought [into Mexico] like cows' on trucks and unloaded fifteen miles down the highway from the border, in the desert."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-are-3-things-to-know-about-operation-wetback


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[cawacko]

I don't know if I've banned anyone other than Legion, Buck Ewar and Desh in a thread before but maybe I should have on this one and been more specific that I was interested in hearing conservatives opinions on this. I already know what liberals think.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Trump didn't reference it by name last night but he referred to the program when talking about Ike and deporting those here illegally. (I'm open to hearing from anyone, especially conservatives, if you think I'm off or wrong. I won't be offended.)

From my perspective he's already made it abundantly clear he wants to build a wall and wants to deport all those here illegally. Making reference to this program was just sticking another foot into the eyes of Hispanics, whose votes he will ultimately need to win the Presidency. I understand the question was how will you go about deporting all those here illegally and he made reference to Ike doing it. The people here illegally during Ike's time were mostly single men in a few boarder cities. That is nowhere close to what we have today. And thousands died out in the desert during Operation Wetback. I understand that's not a problem to some people but when you are trying to win a national election you don't win people you need to vote for you over to your side that way.

At the end of the day I don't want to see a President Hillary and to me Trump's rhetoric will ultimately push us closer to it.

You and other poorly informed people, seem to think that all Hispanics are behind the illegal immigrants being allowed to stay in the US and that's the problem with liberals.
The actually believe that because they FEEL a certain way, that all minorities will blindly fall into line behind them.

 

[cawacko]

You and other poorly informed people, seem to think that all Hispanics are behind the illegal immigrants being allowed to stay in the US and that's the problem with liberals.
The actually believe that because they FEEL a certain way, that all minorities will blindly fall into line behind them.

What makes me poorly informed here? And there's noting about feelings here I'm going off the numbers.

Now this poll is two months old so there should be something more up to date but it shows Trumps unfavorable numbers with Hispanics at 82%.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/donald-trump-hispanics-jeb-bush/


Romney got a record setting percentage (I believe) of the white vote while only getting 27% of the Hispanic vote. I'm going off straight numbers here, this ain't feelings.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What makes me poorly informed here? And there's noting about feelings here I'm going off the numbers.

Now this poll is two months old so there should be something more up to date but it shows Trumps unfavorable numbers with Hispanics at 82%.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/donald-trump-hispanics-jeb-bush/


Romney got a record setting percentage (I believe) of the white vote while only getting 27% of the Hispanic vote. I'm going off straight numbers here, this ain't feelings.

Are you now saying that you didn't make the following comment?

"...Making reference to this program was just sticking another foot into the eyes of Hispanics..."

But then; as everyone knows, there have never have been any polls that were incorrect or the numbers were off

 

[cawacko]

Are you now saying that you didn't make the following comment?

"...Making reference to this program was just sticking another foot into the eyes of Hispanics..."

But then; as everyone knows, there have never have been any polls that were incorrect or the numbers were off

Yes, that statement was my opinion.

Sure, polls have been wrong many times. And polls showing someone winning or losing a year before the election will change quite a bit as history has shown us.

But I think we can infer from history and the election results of the past for what it takes for a Republican to win the national election by looking at Bush and Romney's numbers. And Trump is turning off the voters he needs most with his rhetoric.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Yes, that statement was my opinion.

Sure, polls have been wrong many times. And polls showing someone winning or losing a year before the election will change quite a bit as history has shown us.

But I think we can infer from history and the election results of the past for what it takes for a Republican to win the national election by looking at Bush and Romney's numbers. And Trump is turning off the voters he needs most with his rhetoric.

But you stated your opinion, about how Hispanics "feel", as if it was carved in stone and I don't think that the gibberish the liberals are spouting, about Hispanics hating Trump, are true and are nothing more then propaganda that they hope they can MAKE come to fruition.

I would like to know the true total of how many they ATTEMPTED to have take part, as opposed to the numbers that they are presenting; because surprising, Hispanics are just like everyone else and just possibly declined to take part in the poll and therefore were discounted.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Operation Wetback involved the cooperation of the Mexican government, because at the time those Mexicans were illegally emigrating (Mexico had put in place emigration restrictions at that time because of labor shortages). Of course Trump, in typical fashion, acts like there's no such thing as sovereignty, and as if he can boss other countries around like on a reality television show.

I'd just like to point out that the Republicans are literally trying to promote a glorified reality TV star to the presidency.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

What makes me poorly informed here? And there's noting about feelings here I'm going off the numbers.

Now this poll is two months old so there should be something more up to date but it shows Trumps unfavorable numbers with Hispanics at 82%.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/donald-trump-hispanics-jeb-bush/


Romney got a record setting percentage (I believe) of the white vote while only getting 27% of the Hispanic vote. I'm going off straight numbers here, this ain't feelings.

Bush was getting like 45% of the hispanic vote. The Republican party under Bush was very near to winning the goddamn hispanic vote. And some idiots think that the behavior of the tea party over the past decade somehow had nothing to do with nearly halving the amount of hispanic support.

 

[cawacko]

But you stated your opinion, about how Hispanics "feel", as if it was carved in stone and I don't think that the gibberish the liberals are spouting, about Hispanics hating Trump, are true and are nothing more then propaganda that they hope they can MAKE come to fruition.

I would like to know the true total of how many they ATTEMPTED to have take part, as opposed to the numbers that they are presenting; because surprising, Hispanics are just like everyone else and just possibly declined to take part in the poll and therefore were discounted.

I can only go off the poll numbers we see. Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote when he won. Romney got 27% and lost. I don't think it's a shock to see Trump's favorability numbers where they are (with Hispanics) with the comments he's making. Cruz basically believes what Trump does on immigration but at least he made an economic argument about it last night. Comes across much better than calling them criminals IMO.

I'm somewhat generalizing here but from the polling I've seen Trump's main base of support is blue collar whites. I'm not sure how deeper his support goes when you start eliminating the other Republicans in the field. There are plenty of pro-business Republicans who don't support Trump's immigration agenda.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I can only go off the poll numbers we see. Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote when he won. Romney got 27% and lost. I don't think it's a shock to see Trump's favorability numbers where they are (with Hispanics) with the comments he's making. Cruz basically believes what Trump does on immigration but at least he made an economic argument about it last night. Comes across much better than calling them criminals IMO.

I'm somewhat generalizing here but from the polling I've seen Trump's main base of support is blue collar whites. I'm not sure how deeper his support goes when you start eliminating the other Republicans in the field. There are plenty of pro-business Republicans who don't support Trump's immigration agenda.

Some of those "pro-business" Republicans don't like it; because they're afraid that it will reduce the number of individuals they have to choose from, in the employee base.
Tough shit.

The liberals probably don't like it; because they're worried that it will reduce their expected voter base.
Tough shit.

I'm not convinced that Trump will come close to being President; but it's time that the "Old Guard", in both parties, are politically shaken up.

 

[cawacko]

Some of those "pro-business" Republicans don't like it; because they're afraid that it will reduce the number of individuals they have to choose from, in the employee base.
Tough shit.

The liberals probably don't like it; because they're worried that it will reduce their expected voter base.
Tough shit.

I'm not convinced that Trump will come close to being President; but it's time that the "Old Guard", in both parties, are politically shaken up.

I understand the sentiment and I think you laid it out correctly why there are people on both sides who are against Trump's plan.

Obviously time will tell us if the Republican Party as a whole galvanizes around Trump or not.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I understand the sentiment and I think you laid it out correctly why there are people on both sides who are against Trump's plan.

Obviously time will tell us if the Republican Party as a whole galvanizes around Trump or not.

Don't you find it curious that with all the liberals complaining that "corporations" are using their money to "buy" politicians, that they can't seem to bring themselves to also support a candidate who doesn't have to rely on donations.
<rhetorical question>

 

[christiefan915]

Don't you find it curious that with all the liberals complaining that "corporations" are using their money to "buy" politicians, that they can't seem to bring themselves to also support a candidate who doesn't have to rely on donations.
<rhetorical question>

Which candidate is that?

"For months, Donald J. Trump has highlighted his credentials as a politician who was financing his own campaign for president.

No longer.

Mr. Trump revealed in a filing Thursday to the Federal Election Commission that the vast majority of the money he raised and spent this summer as he rose to the top of national polls came not from his own coffers, as it had in the spring, but from about $3.7 million in what he called “unsolicited contributions.” Some 74,000 donors pitched in an average of about $50 to help his campaign, he reported."

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ld-trumps-campaign-outpace-self-funding/?_r=0

 

[ChoppedLiver]

Which candidate is that?

"For months, Donald J. Trump has highlighted his credentials as a politician who was financing his own campaign for president.

No longer.

Mr. Trump revealed in a filing Thursday to the Federal Election Commission that the vast majority of the money he raised and spent this summer as he rose to the top of national polls came not from his own coffers, as it had in the spring, but from about $3.7 million in what he called “unsolicited contributions.” Some 74,000 donors pitched in an average of about $50 to help his campaign, he reported."

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ld-trumps-campaign-outpace-self-funding/?_r=0

How does that "prove" that Trump "relies" on corporate donations for his campaign, you ignorant twit?