Only 35% of voters in GA 6th district viewed trump favorably. Democrats still lost.

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The outside world may be looking at Georgia’s upcoming special election as a referendum on President Donald Trump’s tenure, but a plurality of 6th District voters swear that isn’t the case for them.
An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll released Friday found that the commander-in-chief has not been a factor for 45 percent of likely voters as they’ve decided between Democrat Jon Ossoff and Republican Karen Handel for the state’s open congressional seat.
Among the respondents who did say they made their selection based on Trump, 39 percent said they were aiming to express their opposition to the president, while 14 percent said they wanted to register support. More than three-quarters of Democrats, 37 percent of independents and 43 percent of voters under 40 said they fell into the former category.
The majority of Republicans surveyed, about 55 percent, said expressing their opinion on Trump wasn’t a factor in their decision-making.


“Unfortunately, the Democrats are trying to make it a mandate on Trump and his policies. But I think for a lot of people locally it’s not that way,” said Patti Kastens, a Handel supporter from north Fulton County.
Meanwhile, slightly more than one in three Republicans said their decision was made in part to register support for the president.
Trump carried the typically ruby red 6th District by less than 2 percentage points back in November, which is one of the reasons why the Handel-Ossoff contest has received so much national attention.
The AJC poll shows that nearly five months into Trump’s presidency, the Republican is still far from popular in the north Atlanta suburbs.
Only 35 percent of likely voters viewed him favorably when surveyed last week. That’s only slightly better than how House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi polled but significantly worse than Trump himself did statewide back in January before he was sworn into office.
The AJC poll was conducted June 5-8 by ABT Associates and involved 745 likely voters. The margin of error is +/- 4 percentage points. Peruse the crosstabs here, and check out the MyAJC politics site for more coverage.
 
Let this be your first lesson from professor Grind for the midterms of 2018:

You need to stop jacking off over trump approval ratings. For the following reasons:

1) They do not correlate 1:1 with regards to trump approval ratings vs. local candidate

2) A republican may feel trump isn't doing enough (and thus not approve), but that doesn't mean they want to vote democrat.

I see liberals jerking off every day on here about trumps approval ratings, 3 years out from 2020, even when obama was 39% in 2011 and won re-election a year later.

It's time to end the predictable talking point that "Well duh georgia is deep red, of course dems aren't expected to win"

It turns out that even with 35% approval rating of likely voters, and one of the biggest spending operations of all time, democrats still couldn't pull off the victory.

This was an affluent suburb of georgia, the exact target dems are looking for in midterm 2018. Trumps approval rating was very low. Dem spending was sky high. Yet You lost.

Democrats still have much work to do at their persisting resisting meetings.

3 years is a long time. So is 1 year.

And as I posted in another thread, democrats have had some of their worst fundraising in a decade. So much for that resistance you pussy hat wearing degenerates :)

Stop being so arrogant, it's what cost you the election last time. It's time liberals sat down and had some humble pie. Your arrogance will be your downfall otherwise.
 
LMAO, I just told Thingy, basically, this about an hour ago. And now you back up my opinion, I'm sure, without even realizing it. Thingy really doesn't get it when it comes to politics. Or the truth.

Sup bro :clink:
 
Grind - you claim to be smart politically, and yet persist with this drivel.

How is the fact that GA 6th is deep red a "talking point." Average margin of victory for a Republican there since the '90's has been 30+ points.

Another point of interest: Democrats won the first 7 special elections after Obama was elected in '08. How did '10 go?

Trump's approval ratings are not an insignificant thing. If they were high, you'd be crowing about them. They're not.
 
GOD said:
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/06/11/ajc-poll-trump-still-unpopular-in-ga-6th-but-many-say-he-wont-impact-their-vote/

The outside world may be looking at Georgia’s upcoming special election as a referendum on President Donald Trump’s tenure, but a plurality of 6th District voters swear that isn’t the case for them.
An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll released Friday found that the commander-in-chief has not been a factor for 45 percent of likely voters as they’ve decided between Democrat Jon Ossoff and Republican Karen Handel for the state’s open congressional seat.
Among the respondents who did say they made their selection based on Trump, 39 percent said they were aiming to express their opposition to the president, while 14 percent said they wanted to register support. More than three-quarters of Democrats, 37 percent of independents and 43 percent of voters under 40 said they fell into the former category.
The majority of Republicans surveyed, about 55 percent, said expressing their opinion on Trump wasn’t a factor in their decision-making.


“Unfortunately, the Democrats are trying to make it a mandate on Trump and his policies. But I think for a lot of people locally it’s not that way,” said Patti Kastens, a Handel supporter from north Fulton County.
Meanwhile, slightly more than one in three Republicans said their decision was made in part to register support for the president.
Trump carried the typically ruby red 6th District by less than 2 percentage points back in November, which is one of the reasons why the Handel-Ossoff contest has received so much national attention.
The AJC poll shows that nearly five months into Trump’s presidency, the Republican is still far from popular in the north Atlanta suburbs.
Only 35 percent of likely voters viewed him favorably when surveyed last week. That’s only slightly better than how House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi polled but significantly worse than Trump himself did statewide back in January before he was sworn into office.
The AJC poll was conducted June 5-8 by ABT Associates and involved 745 likely voters. The margin of error is +/- 4 percentage points. Peruse the crosstabs here, and check out the MyAJC politics site for more coverage.
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STFU, GOD. Your plan pisses me off! :fu:
 
Thing1 said:
Trump's approval ratings are not an insignificant thing. If they were high, you'd be crowing about them. They're not.
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i did not say they were insignificant. But they have to be viewed with a discerning and critical lens.

For starters:

1) It's clear that the media is having problems reaching trump voters for their polling samples. Most polls showed ossoff out in front. They were off outside the margin of error in most cases.

2) Time. Time can change things. I shouldn't have to expand on this

3) Republicans have a natural advantage when it comes to special elections/midterm elections and thus democrats are starting from behind.

4) The reality on the ground: In spite of trump being 35% approval rating in this specific district, and in spite of dems spending an ungodly amount of money, democrats still lost. Again, this is the exact prototypical demographic and district dems are looking at in 2018..a district that isn't super rednecky, is affluent, middle america suburban soccer moms and dads, a district that has a low opinion of trump with voters. If you can't win there you can't win. Period. Make no mistake, democrats have significant work to do.

None of this is obvious now but as usual i'll hold everyones hand. Professor Grinds office hours are officially BACK OPEN bitches.
 
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GOD said:
i did not say they were insignificant. But they have to be viewed with a discerning and critical lens.

For starters:

1) It's clear that the media is having problems reaching trump voters for their polling samples. Most polls should ossoff out in front. They were off outside the margin of error in most cases.

2) Time. Time can change things. I shouldn't have to expand on this

3) The reality on the ground: In spite of trump being 35% approval rating in this specific district, and in spite of dems spending an ungodly amount of money, democrats still lost. Again, this is the exact prototypical demographic and district dems are looking at in 2018..a district that isn't super rednecky, is affluent, middle america suburban soccer moms and dads, a district that has a low opinion of trump with voters. If you can't win there you can't win. Period. Make no mistake, democrats have significant work to do.
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I don't know how demographics apply when that district has been reliably Republican for decades. An average of 30+ points...how in the world is that ripe territory for Dems? They saw it that way, but it was pure wishful thinking.

Time can change things, but some of Trump's flaws are permanent. He's not going to be one of those Presidents who rise & fall w/ things like the economy. He's a cult of personality - and people either like him, or they don't.

Of course the Democrats have work to do. But trying to read too much into 5 special elections where the Republican was supposed to win every time is a mistake, imo. I don't really care if you do it, but it's not indicative of anything.
 
fuck the 90's thing. Times change. Right NOW this was a district where trump had a 35% approval rating and where democrats spent an assload of money. If you don't think that means something, you need to get back on the short bus.

Liberals post every day: "hey look .. trump has a low approval rating, we are going to crush the midterms"

Well now we have a perfect case example. A district, with said approval ratings. A perfect laboratory. Seems trumps approval ratings isn't going to be the be all end all.

Time can change things, but some of Trump's flaws are permanent. He's not going to be one of those Presidents who rise & fall w/ things like the economy. He's a cult of personality - and people either like him, or they don't.
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Go look at trumps approvals/disapprovals during the last election. It's like a sine wave.
 
GOD said:
Let this be your first lesson from professor Grind for the midterms of 2018:

You need to stop jacking off over trump approval ratings. For the following reasons:

1) They do not correlate 1:1 with regards to trump approval ratings vs. local candidate

2) A republican may feel trump isn't doing enough (and thus not approve), but that doesn't mean they want to vote democrat.

I see liberals jerking off every day on here about trumps approval ratings, 3 years out from 2020, even when obama was 39% in 2011 and won re-election a year later.

It's time to end the predictable talking point that "Well duh georgia is deep red, of course dems aren't expected to win"

It turns out that even with 35% approval rating of likely voters, and one of the biggest spending operations of all time, democrats still couldn't pull off the victory.

This was an affluent suburb of georgia, the exact target dems are looking for in midterm 2018. Trumps approval rating was very low. Dem spending was sky high. Yet You lost.

Democrats still have much work to do at their persisting resisting meetings.

3 years is a long time. So is 1 year.

And as I posted in another thread, democrats have had some of their worst fundraising in a decade. So much for that resistance you pussy hat wearing degenerates :)

Stop being so arrogant, it's what cost you the election last time. It's time liberals sat down and had some humble pie. Your arrogance will be your downfall otherwise.
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Yeah but the party in power ALWAYS loses seats in the midterm says Clingy Thingy. So suck that Grind
 
Thing1 said:
I don't know how demographics apply when that district has been reliably Republican for decades. An average of 30+ points...how in the world is that ripe territory for Dems? They saw it that way, but it was pure wishful thinking.

Time can change things, but some of Trump's flaws are permanent. He's not going to be one of those Presidents who rise & fall w/ things like the economy. He's a cult of personality - and people either like him, or they don't.

Of course the Democrats have work to do. But trying to read too much into 5 special elections where the Republican was supposed to win every time is a mistake, imo. I don't really care if you do it, but it's not indicative of anything.
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This is why you were so wrong about the 2016 election. You are incapable of challenging your own assumptions

You have buried your head in the sand and spout "the district was won by 30% since then 90s" as if it explains everything.

First of all districts aren't static entities. You are talking about a generation of people moving in and out.

Second you can't compare Tom Price's 30 point victory in 2016 where he virtually ran unopposed. Can you name his opponent? His opponent raised zero dollars.

Because you are not a nuanced thinker, you are missing the point that despite Tom Price winning by 30 points Trump only won by 1 point. That isn't insignificant. That means that this district isn't a straight party line district.

That is why the democrats made a play for it. If Price were still on the ticket, the dems wouldn't have even looked at it.

But history shows what an open seat is when any party has its best chance of flipping a seat to their side. The power of incumbency is enormous. Only a political neophyte wouldn't see that.


You are also being blinded by your cultural prejudice of the south. You see the entire south as the Clampetts. This is the northern suburbs of Atlanta. They are much more affluent and much more educated and not pro Trump. The kind of voters and district the democrats will need if they are going to flip the House.

Let me try to explain it a different way since you are hell bent in clinging to your "the republicans have won by 30 points for decades" line.

Let's say Clingy Thingy is running the DNC and he has to lay out a strategy for taking back the House of Representatives. How would you do it? Where would you target your efforts?

Well you start by eliminating democrat and republican seats you know are safe.

Next you look for your opponents vulnerabilities

1) I look for traditionally democrat districts that may have flipped by a fluke. Could be six of those

2) then I want to look for districts where the GOP really does well, but Trump isn't popular. Good hunting ground to put GOP on defensive

3) district where GOP member is unpopular and Trump is unpopular

Are you going to spend your time and money flipping a district where the GOP member and Trump are popular? You could but it would be an unwise use of resources

GA06 was #2. That is why the democrat party went all in to win it and they lost. It was an unmitigated disaster for them. Their entire strategy has been anti Trump all the time. It failed

But you are incapable of challenging your own beliefs so you cling to this worn out line of "the GOP has won by 30 since the 90s" without any context or insight.

You are politically ignorant and that is why I run circles around you
 
it could also be argued that one of the main reasons clinton failed is because her entire message was merely "i am not trump"

it should be clear now that voters are going to need a coherent message on what democrats actually want to proactively do for the country.
 
GOD said:
it could also be argued that one of the main reasons clinton failed is because her entire message was merely "i am not trump"

it should be clear now that voters are going to need a coherent message on what democrats actually want to proactively do for the country.
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That was part of it and could have worked for someone other than her. They are still shell shocked that Meees Peeeegy and the Access Hollywood tapes didn't bring him down.

Remember the Access Hollywood tapes came out hours after the first Wiki dump. They were probably going to hold it until right before Election Day to inflict maximum damage.

Any other Republican would have been ruined with those Access Hollywood tapes. But not Trump

All he does is WIN WIN WIN

PUSSY GRABBERS UNITE
 
GOD said:
it could also be argued that one of the main reasons clinton failed is because her entire message was merely "i am not trump"

it should be clear now that voters are going to need a coherent message on what democrats actually want to proactively do for the country.
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and it will have to be sufficient to overcome their memory of what they DID to the country.......
 
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