Obamanomics at work....

NOVA

U. S. NAVY Veteran
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rig...a-businessman-tell-the-feds-im-just-quitting/

“Nearly every day without fail…men stream to these [mining] operations looking for work in Walker County. They can’t pay their mortgage. They can’t pay their car note. They can’t feed their families. They don’t have health insurance. And as I stand here today, I just…you know…what’s the use? I got a permit to open up an underground coal mine that would employ probably 125 people. They’d be paid wages from $50,000 to $150,000 a year. We would consume probably $50 million to $60 million in consumables a year, putting more men to work. And my only idea today is to go home. What’s the use? I see these guys—I see them with tears in their eyes—looking for work. And if there’s so much opposition to these guys making a living, I feel like there’s no need in me putting out the effort to provide work for them. So…basically what I’ve decided is not to open the mine. I’m just quitting. Thank you.”
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rig...a-businessman-tell-the-feds-im-just-quitting/

“Nearly every day without fail…men stream to these [mining] operations looking for work in Walker County. They can’t pay their mortgage. They can’t pay their car note. They can’t feed their families. They don’t have health insurance. And as I stand here today, I just…you know…what’s the use? I got a permit to open up an underground coal mine that would employ probably 125 people. They’d be paid wages from $50,000 to $150,000 a year. We would consume probably $50 million to $60 million in consumables a year, putting more men to work. And my only idea today is to go home. What’s the use? I see these guys—I see them with tears in their eyes—looking for work. And if there’s so much opposition to these guys making a living, I feel like there’s no need in me putting out the effort to provide work for them. So…basically what I’ve decided is not to open the mine. I’m just quitting. Thank you.”

Cry me a river.

(Excerpt) When asked about typical concerns surrounding coal mining—including companies skirting health and safety regulations—Douglas said it “doesn’t make sense” to let safety lapse and risk losing miners to illness or injury when it would only cost more to train new personnel.

“We take care of our equipment and take care of our people,” Douglas said. “The regulations make coal miners out to be criminals; but we’re not outlaws. (End)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rig...a-businessman-tell-the-feds-im-just-quitting/

Sept/ 2002 (Excerpt) James Sturgill, 35, didn't make it through his first shift in Samons' J&A Coal Corp. No. 1 Mine. On that March day in 1999, Sturgill and three other miners were ordered to clear debris from a 7-foot-high "boom hole" that had been blasted from the pinched tunnel to make space for power stations and machinery……..

Sturgill crawled about 3 feet past Crisp into the unsupported basin to hold the drill while Crisp operated the controls.

Hughes never heard the roof crack. One of the miners heard Sturgill yell--"Get it off me!"--as the dun-gray stone collapsed on him. Hughes was knocked unconscious. Injured by the rock fall, Crisp and Byron Martin labored to lift the 7-foot slab of shale from Sturgill.

He gasped for air and then was still….

After federal inspectors investigated Sturgill's death, they issued citations saying Samons and his deputies were directing miners to work under unsupported rock and not providing safe levels of fresh air.

MSHA fined Samons $220,000 for "serious and substantial" safety violations that contributed to Sturgill's death, but that money may never be paid.

"I'll just have to declare bankruptcy," Samons said.

For Samons and other operators who accrue safety penalties, bankruptcy is an acceptable way to avoid paying fines…..It's just easier to go ahead and form a new corporation," Samons said. (End)
http://www.usmra.com/mine5_3.htm

January 4, 2006 (Excerpt) Time and again over the past four years, federal mining inspectors documented the same litany of problems at central West Virginia's Sago Mine: mine roofs that tended to collapse without warning. Faulty or inadequate tunnel supports. A dangerous buildup of flammable coal dust.

Yesterday, the mine's safety record came into sharp focus as officials searched for explanations to Monday's underground explosion. That record, as reflected in dozens of federal inspection reports, shows a succession of operators struggling to overcome serious, long-standing safety problems, some of which could be part of the investigation into the cause of the explosion that trapped 13 miners.

In the past two years, the mine was cited 273 times for safety violations, (End)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/03/AR2006010301433.html

April 7, 2010 (Excerpt) Massey Energy’s Disregard for Safety

A massive explosion ripped through the Big Branch coal mine in West Virginia on Monday, killing 25 miners and leaving 6 others missing and presumed dead. The mine had an egregious record of health and safety violations. Peter Rothberg of The Nationwrites: The US Mine Safety and Health Administration cited the mine for 1,342 safety violations from 2005
http://www.care2.com/causes/more-th...iolations-for-wv-coal-mine.html#ixzz1TFtKEcvk

And people ask why there are regulations? One mine racked up one thousand three hundred and forty-two (1,342) safety violations in 5 years. Another managed to obtain 273 violations in two years.

But, hey, no problem. If a few people die and the fines are too large just declare bankruptcy and form a new corporation and life goes on. Well, life goes on for the owner of the mine, not for those who were buried. And what becomes of the miner’s families left behind? Who puts food on their table? The corporation folds, starts up under a new name and the families get nothing. Maybe the Repubs would like to cut a bit off the family’s welfare check. After all, there is one less mouth to feed as Papa has gone to meet his maker.

Life must be a bitch for folks like Ronnie Bryant. That damn government sticking their nose in his business just because a few employees may die here and there or a few families may lose a husband and father.

As they say necessity is the mother of invention. Maybe those children who lost their father and grow up hungry will acquire a good work ethic. Nothing like a little suffering to motivate folks.

I’m sure the less-government,-cut-social-programs Republicans know what’s best. :barf:
 
Whats your point Apple ?

People get killed in accidents every day of the week....probably over 100,000 every year

4000 drowned....
13000+ fell
12000+ poisoned....

How many miners lose their lives in the US in a year ???? 32 in 2007
 
Cry me a river.

you've just been given the average business mans situation of the hardships of trying to run a business and employ people, and all you have is 'cry me a river'?

so really what you're saying is that you're anti-corporation rants are really just a cover for 'screw the working man' ideology? you really hate the middle class, don't you.
 
demtards think business is evil, they will regulate profits to unconcionably loss levels.
Capitalism/capitalist be damned.
 
Whats your point Apple ?

People get killed in accidents every day of the week....probably over 100,000 every year

4000 drowned....
13000+ fell
12000+ poisoned....

How many miners lose their lives in the US in a year ???? 32 in 2007

What's my point? My point is after a company ran up 1,342 safety violations over a five year period the final result was the death of 25 workers (see msg #2). Not 10 years ago. Not 5 years ago. Last year. However, we have bloodsucking guys like Ronnie Bryant bitching about regulations.

America does not need jobs that result in the death of employees simply because the employer refuses to conform to regulations. People like Ronnie Bryant put profit, their personal financial gain, above the lives of their employees. And what happens when deaths occur? What happens when courts determine the company owes compensation to the surviving families? Well, here's the answer one mine owner stated, "I'll just have to declare bankruptcy. It's just easier to go ahead and form a new corporation."

What kind of life would we have if, say, people could drive without insurance, kill someone while disobeying highway regulations, then simply declare bankruptcy and get back in another car.

People complain about corporations being treated like citizens. Maybe it's time citizens were treated like corporations. Ignore rules and regulations resulting in deaths, declare bankruptcy and just move on with life. That's what corporations do but corporations still complain about too much government regulation. Maybe they should be allowed to kill people with impunity and not have to declare bankruptcy.
 
Whats your point Apple ?

People get killed in accidents every day of the week....probably over 100,000 every year

4000 drowned....
13000+ fell
12000+ poisoned....

How many miners lose their lives in the US in a year ???? 32 in 2007

One is too many.

This isn't an accident. This is a callous, egregious disregard for miners' safety.

"A massive explosion ripped through the Big Branch coal mine in West Virginia on Monday, killing 25 miners and leaving 6 others missing and presumed dead. The mine had an egregious record of health and safety violations. Peter Rothberg of The Nationwrites: The US Mine Safety and Health Administration cited the mine for 1,342 safety violations from 2005."
 
you've just been given the average business mans situation of the hardships of trying to run a business and employ people, and all you have is 'cry me a river'?

so really what you're saying is that you're anti-corporation rants are really just a cover for 'screw the working man' ideology? you really hate the middle class, don't you.

What I'm saying is it's time to take a look at what Jeanette Goodman, executive director of JCA (Job Creators Alliance), has to say about small business.

(Excerpt) Goodman said she wants 100 business owners on the JCA roster within the next year. She added that they want to attract business owners who run very small organizations, with just a few employees, to speak as part of their team. But she and Marcus admitted having a hard time signing those small business owners up.

"We have to find people who are wiling to go on the air; a lot of people are concerned that if they go on the air their business could be harmed," Goodman said in an interview. "Their concern is that they don't want to be audited, they don't want to have any pushback."

Marcus, who himself has made dramatic comments in the past when talking politics, grew agitated when relating how others have expressed fears about stating an opinion.

"They're afraid that if they go out and they speak out like Bernie Marcus or [casino magnate] Steve Wynn, that the IRS is going to be in on them, the SEC is going to be on them," Marcus said. "They are frightened to death." (End)

Frightened to death? Of what, may I ask? Of course that's a rhetorical question because we all know the lying, thieving scum bags know they'll be found out having cheated on taxes along with God knows what other underhanded methods they've employed.

I have a small business and have had associations with small businesses. I can't count the times when suppliers and customers have tried to avoid paying taxes. Immediately after purchasing the business a few customers told us the previous owner gave them a "cash deal". In other words off the books and no taxes. We made it clear we do not do business that way. I have no interest in dealing with anyone who would cheat society if for no other reason they wouldn't think twice about cheating me!

I'm neither anti-corporation nor anti-small business. What I am is anti-thieving, anti-bloodsucking, anti-screw society, anti-to hell with the rules and safety precautions.

The problem is business has been getting away with all kinds of nonsense for far too long. That's precisely what led to the current financial problems. Greenspan was aware of the mortgage scams but believed the invisible hand insidious hand of the market place would straighten everything out. He believed that once enough people got scammed others would not invest.

That is the same "philosophy" considered in regards to all businesses. Let businesses do whatever they want and time will weed out the failures. Unfortunately, in the meantime people get ripped off or, in some cases, die. Or in cases like the mortgage crisis things get out of hand before the average "guy" knows what's happening.

In some cases business will wait hoping a more "wild west" climate will return but, sooner or later, they will start investing if it's the only game in town and the goal is to make it the only game in town. The days of "either you work for me under any conditions or your family will starve" are coming to an end. Social programs coupled with regulations will force businesses to be responsible and good citizens.

As Obama has said there needs to be fundamental change. We've seen the result of laissez faire capitalism. It almost brought the world to it's knees, financially, and it's not over yet.

It took Greenspan over 20 years to figure out his philosophy, his idea of how the world works, was faulty. Very faulty. About as wrong as wrong can be. Let's hope it doesn't take another 20 years for the average voter to figure it out.
 
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