Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections

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I fear that there is more than a semblance of truth in this Forbes article.


11/11/2013 @ 8:00AM

Prediction: even if HealthCare.gov is fixed by the end of the month (unlikely), Obamacare is going to be repealed well in advance of next year’s election. And if the website continues to fail, the push for repeal—from endangered Democrats—will occur very rapidly. The website is a sideshow: the real action is the number of people and businesses who are losing their health plans or having to pay a lot more. Fixing the website will only delay the inevitable.

It is important to remember why it was so important for Obama to promise repeatedly that “if you like your health insurance/doctor, you can keep your health insurance/doctor.” Cast your mind back to the ignominious collapse of Hillarycare in 1994. Hillarycare came out of the box in September 1993 to high public support according to the early polls. This was not a surprise. Opinion polls for decades have shown a large majority of Americans support the general idea of universal health coverage. But Hillarycare came apart as the bureaucratic details came out, the most important one being that you couldn’t be sure you’d be able to keep your doctors or select specialists of your choice. The Clintons refused to consider a compromise, but even with large Democratic Senate and House majorities the bill was so dead it was never brought up for a vote.


Remember “
”? Obama did, which is why he portrayed Obamacare as simply expanding coverage to the uninsured, and improving coverage for the underinsured while leaving the already insured undisturbed. But the redistributive arithmetic of Obamacare’s architecture could never add up, which is what the bureaucrats knew early on—as early as 2010 according to many documents that have leaked. The wonder is that Obama’s political team didn’t see this coming and prepare a pre-emptive strategy for dealing with the inevitable exposure of the duplicity at the heart of Obamacare’s logic. Now that people are losing their insurance and finding that they may not be able to keep their doctor after all, Obamacare has become the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq War: a protracted fiasco that is proving fatal to a president’s credibility and approval rating. The only thing missing is calling in FEMA to help fix this Category-5 political disaster.

Senate Democrats endangered for re-election will lead the charge for repeal perhaps as soon as January, after they get an earful over the Christmas break. They’ll call it “reform,” and clothe it in calls for delaying the individual mandate and allowing people and businesses to keep their existing health insurance policies. But it is probably too late to go back in many cases. With the political damage guaranteed to continue, the momentum toward repeal will be unstoppable. Democrats will not want to face the voters next November with the albatross of Obamacare.


The politics of the repeal effort will be a game theorist’s dream. Tea Party Republicans will resist “reforms” to Obamacare in favor of complete repeal. Democrats will try to turn the tables and set up Republicans as obstacles to reform, hoping to inoculate themselves prospectively from mayhem at the polls next November. The House might want to insist that the Senate go first; after all, it was the Senate version of the bill that the House had to swallow after Scott Brown’s election in January 2010. The House can rightly insist that the Senate needs to clean up the mess they made. Obama may well give Capitol Hill Democrats a pass on a repeal vote, and veto any bill that emerges. He’ll never face the voters again.
This wouldn’t be the first time that a health care entitlement was repealed. The same thing happened in the late 1980s with catastrophic coverage for seniors. Because seniors were made to pay for their benefits under that scheme, the uproar forced Congress to repeal the measure barely a year after it went into effect. Obamacare looks to be on the same political trajectory, and for the same reason. Obamacare represents the crisis of big government; the limits of administrative government have finally been breached. For the first time ever, some polls are showing a majority of Americans doubting the goal of universal health coverage.


The hazard of the moment is that a compromise “reform” that drops the mandate and attempts to restore the insurance status quo ante could leave us with an unfunded expansion of Medicaid and a badly disrupted private insurance market. Republicans should avoid both the political traps and a new fiscal time bomb by being ready with a serious replacement policy, based on the premium support tax credit ideas that John McCain advocated (poorly) in 2008. While anxious liberals are in dismay, they should recognize that Obamacare may well have achieved its chief purpose of making universal or at least greatly expanded health coverage a fixture of American social policy. The cost to liberalism may prove fatal, however.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenh...pealed-well-in-advance-of-the-2014-elections/
 
Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections



I love how foreign nationals seem to know better than Americans as to what will happen, what is going on, and the conclusions to draw, when they are completely "out of their league", when it comes to America and its' workings. I say STFU, and have a seat, and listen.
 
I hope we are going to see some changes in Obamacare, but I doubt it. I am sure the entire bill will never be repealed. You cant go home again, even if you really wanted to, but in reality you don't.
 
Lol
Forbes is a rightwing rag
$50 says they said the same thing for 2012
Agreed. It's amazing how 10 years ago Forbes was all for a market based health care reform that required a universal mandate. It's freaken laughable

The company I work for employs about 4,000 people. We rolled out SAP as our company wide IT platform in 2007. It took 6 full months to get the platform up to speed and yea...we did lose some customers in the process...but once we got it rolling we gained a whole lot more and improved margins across the company as a whole. Was it worth? Hell yes it was, only an idiot would think otherwise.

The GOP is just playing politics with the roll out.
 
I hope we are going to see some changes in Obamacare, but I doubt it. I am sure the entire bill will never be repealed. You cant go home again, even if you really wanted to, but in reality you don't.
Oh we'll definately see revisions and changes and tweeks...but were not going to know what the hell needs fixed till we roll the damned thing out.

You know what the GOP alternative is? Do the same thing but at the State level. I mean...wtf.
 
Obamacare looks to be on the same political trajectory, and for the same reason. Obamacare represents the crisis of big government; the limits of administrative government have finally been breached. For the first time ever, some polls are showing a majority of Americans doubting the goal of universal health coverage.
Obamacare will survive in some form "tweaked" as it were. The good news is we might be finally ending our attempts at the fed'l gov't's intrusion into virtualy every aspect of commerce, and our lives.

Don't look to the gov't to do anything efficient, it's not it's role. Better to have made marketplace reforms, selling over state lines, tort reform, etc.
The Repubs had some decent ideas, but because they are such assholes, no one will listen to them.

This batch of Democrats will cede every aspect of your life to the "ABC agencies" (regulation), or 'nany state' you to death with laws/mandates.

In the end it's upto ourselves to run our lives. Just have the Fed's stop the corporations from totally ripping us off, and that's about the best we can accept
 
I fear that there is more than a semblance of truth in this Forbes article.


11/11/2013 @ 8:00AM

Prediction: even if HealthCare.gov is fixed by the end of the month (unlikely), Obamacare is going to be repealed well in advance of next year’s election. And if the website continues to fail, the push for repeal—from endangered Democrats—will occur very rapidly. The website is a sideshow: the real action is the number of people and businesses who are losing their health plans or having to pay a lot more. Fixing the website will only delay the inevitable.

It is important to remember why it was so important for Obama to promise repeatedly that “if you like your health insurance/doctor, you can keep your health insurance/doctor.” Cast your mind back to the ignominious collapse of Hillarycare in 1994. Hillarycare came out of the box in September 1993 to high public support according to the early polls. This was not a surprise. Opinion polls for decades have shown a large majority of Americans support the general idea of universal health coverage. But Hillarycare came apart as the bureaucratic details came out, the most important one being that you couldn’t be sure you’d be able to keep your doctors or select specialists of your choice. The Clintons refused to consider a compromise, but even with large Democratic Senate and House majorities the bill was so dead it was never brought up for a vote.


Remember “
”? Obama did, which is why he portrayed Obamacare as simply expanding coverage to the uninsured, and improving coverage for the underinsured while leaving the already insured undisturbed. But the redistributive arithmetic of Obamacare’s architecture could never add up, which is what the bureaucrats knew early on—as early as 2010 according to many documents that have leaked. The wonder is that Obama’s political team didn’t see this coming and prepare a pre-emptive strategy for dealing with the inevitable exposure of the duplicity at the heart of Obamacare’s logic. Now that people are losing their insurance and finding that they may not be able to keep their doctor after all, Obamacare has become the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq War: a protracted fiasco that is proving fatal to a president’s credibility and approval rating. The only thing missing is calling in FEMA to help fix this Category-5 political disaster.

Senate Democrats endangered for re-election will lead the charge for repeal perhaps as soon as January, after they get an earful over the Christmas break. They’ll call it “reform,” and clothe it in calls for delaying the individual mandate and allowing people and businesses to keep their existing health insurance policies. But it is probably too late to go back in many cases. With the political damage guaranteed to continue, the momentum toward repeal will be unstoppable. Democrats will not want to face the voters next November with the albatross of Obamacare.


The politics of the repeal effort will be a game theorist’s dream. Tea Party Republicans will resist “reforms” to Obamacare in favor of complete repeal. Democrats will try to turn the tables and set up Republicans as obstacles to reform, hoping to inoculate themselves prospectively from mayhem at the polls next November. The House might want to insist that the Senate go first; after all, it was the Senate version of the bill that the House had to swallow after Scott Brown’s election in January 2010. The House can rightly insist that the Senate needs to clean up the mess they made. Obama may well give Capitol Hill Democrats a pass on a repeal vote, and veto any bill that emerges. He’ll never face the voters again.
This wouldn’t be the first time that a health care entitlement was repealed. The same thing happened in the late 1980s with catastrophic coverage for seniors. Because seniors were made to pay for their benefits under that scheme, the uproar forced Congress to repeal the measure barely a year after it went into effect. Obamacare looks to be on the same political trajectory, and for the same reason. Obamacare represents the crisis of big government; the limits of administrative government have finally been breached. For the first time ever, some polls are showing a majority of Americans doubting the goal of universal health coverage.


The hazard of the moment is that a compromise “reform” that drops the mandate and attempts to restore the insurance status quo ante could leave us with an unfunded expansion of Medicaid and a badly disrupted private insurance market. Republicans should avoid both the political traps and a new fiscal time bomb by being ready with a serious replacement policy, based on the premium support tax credit ideas that John McCain advocated (poorly) in 2008. While anxious liberals are in dismay, they should recognize that Obamacare may well have achieved its chief purpose of making universal or at least greatly expanded health coverage a fixture of American social policy. The cost to liberalism may prove fatal, however.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenh...pealed-well-in-advance-of-the-2014-elections/



Riiiiiiight...and the 2010 election was a mandate that Obama Care was finished.

So was the 2012 election.

We've been hearing the same desperate lies from angry Righties for a half dozen years.
 
How long did it take you to get it debugged after you went live?

We called it "Stop All Progress" and "Stupid Assed Program".
We had a team of about 100 analyst, 50 price Waterhouse 50 texaco.
We did redundant to legacy for 6 months, then had months of bugs after go live.
SAP was actually great software
 
Agreed. It's amazing how 10 years ago Forbes was all for a market based health care reform that required a universal mandate. It's freaken laughable

The company I work for employs about 4,000 people. We rolled out SAP as our company wide IT platform in 2007. It took 6 full months to get the platform up to speed and yea...we did lose some customers in the process...but once we got it rolling we gained a whole lot more and improved margins across the company as a whole. Was it worth? Hell yes it was, only an idiot would think otherwise.

The GOP is just playing politics with the roll out.


The exact same thing happened when they opened the new Denver International Airport back in the 90's.

It had this revolutionary automated baggage delivery system that was going to get bags to and from planes.

Only thing was, this much touted automated baggage delivery system didn't work...at all.

It took them close to a year, and there were complaints, but in the end, the bugs were worked out and it now runs smoothly.
 
How long did it take you to get it debugged after you went live?

We called it "Stop All Progress" and "Stupid Assed Program".

T-Mobile being a German company moved to SAP a decade ago. It was incredibly slow to start with as they had all the servers in Germany and there was enough bandwidth available at busy times. It got a hell of a lot better once they put beefed up access and put some servers in the UK.
 
Oh we'll definately see revisions and changes and tweeks...but were not going to know what the hell needs fixed till we roll the damned thing out.

You know what the GOP alternative is? Do the same thing but at the State level. I mean...wtf.

I don't think that it could be abandoned as there is too much at stake but whether it will work properly or not remains to be seen. Back then was also a great time to be a freelance SAP analyst especially with R3, as rates of around £60 or £70 per hour were being quoted.
 
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I hope we are going to see some changes in Obamacare, but I doubt it. I am sure the entire bill will never be repealed. You cant go home again, even if you really wanted to, but in reality you don't.

Repubs tried to repeal it 41 times already. I don't see Dems joining that effort anytime soon.
 
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