ObamaCare repeal FAIL

Most people do pay for insurance and it's been shown worldwide the costs go down when everyone is paying the same insurer, the government..
Now all you need to do is contort the US constitution to allow for it. Because as many people have pointed out... Promoting is not the same as administering

There is the prevention factor that has to be taken into consideration. Surely the death toll would decrease if people had preventative medical care.

In any case it's not just Canada. Almost every Western European country, along with Australia, show a longer lifespan.
o boy, what are we going to do with that 1.9 years. probably just shit and drool ourselves paying corporate america to care for us. Yippee.

It's been shown the governments running health care are good and benevolent. Every country started out with a "pay or suffer" system. Surely one would have reverted if what you say is true. The citizens in every country, without exception, insist their governments maintain the plans. There's no evidence of any systematic abuse.
Yes, the Slave mentality should scare the shit out of you. But some people have a perpensity for being meek and needy. Everyone love the way mommy cares for them. Maybe government will lean down and give you a gentle kiss while they are control your every waking AND sleeping moments.


Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
CS Lewis

The question is what is their loss compared to. What the market will bear? If primary care physicians are in short supply the government can and should subsidize doctor training.
You are clearly not understanding the basic economics of the Loss. In order for MAYO Clinic to still exist. THEY HAD TO CHARGE PRIVATE INSURERS MORE TO OFFSET THE LOSE OF GOV CARE. GOV CARE RISED THE PRICE OF PRIVATE INSURANCE. Now extrapolate that to every Hospital and every doctor in the whole system.

Again, I have to come back to the fact dozens of other countries dealt with similar problems before opting for government medical and many of those countries have been successfully operating for 40 or 50 years. Also, when it comes to cutting services it depends on what services. For example, in France, doctors make house calls
Funny thing about that. Once you destroy a system you can't really re-create it from scratch. As I said Slaves only care about being taken care of.
 
Most people will never notice the mandate, as they get insurance through their employer and that's good enough for the government. But of those who aren't exempt and aren't insured, the choice will be this: Purchase insurance or pay a small fine. In 2016, the first year the fine is fully in place, it will be $695 a year or 2.5 percent of income, whichever is higher. That makes the mandate progressive.

And what happens if you don't buy insurance and you don't pay the penalty? Well, not much. The law specifically says that no criminal action or liens can be imposed on people who don't pay the fine. If this actually leads to a world in which large numbers of people don't buy insurance and tell the IRS to stuff it, you could see that change. But for now, the penalties are low and the enforcement is non-existent.

The theory behind the mandate is simple: It's there to protect against an insurance death spiral. Now that insurers can't discriminate based on preexisting conditions, it would be entirely possible for people to forgo insurance until, well, they develop a medical condition. In that world, the bulk of the people buying insurance on the exchanges are sick, and that makes the average premiums terrifically expensive. The mandate is there to bring healthy people into the pool, which keeps average costs down and also ensures that people aren't riding free on the system by letting society pay when they get hit by a bus.

The irony of the mandate is that it's been presented as a terribly onerous tax on decent, hardworking people who don't want to purchase insurance. In reality, it's the best deal in the bill: A cynical consumer would be smart to pay the modest penalty rather than pay thousands of dollars a year for insurance. In the current system, that's a bad idea because insurers won't let them buy insurance if they get sick later. In the reformed system, there's no consequence for that behavior. You could pay the penalty for five years and then buy insurance the day you felt a lump.

Luckily, consumers aren't usually that cynical, and the experience of places such as Massachusetts suggests that individual mandates encourage people to buy insurance even when it might make sense for people to simply pay the penalty. But for all the furor over the individual mandate, the danger in the bill is much more that it is too weak and too good a deal than that it is too strong and too punitive a tax.
Washington Post

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.


You Lie!
 
There is no reason the government can not be the safety net. The bottom line is they either supply medical care for the citizens or say to hell with the ill. What is more important than the life of the citizens?

So why not provide the most inexpensive care possible through the free Market system that doesn't require government to contol the lives of it's citizens? Before you even begin to suggest we've had a free market. That been Bullshit since 1945
 
The law will continue to be implemented, you can bank on it. One right wing federal judge in Florida will not be the final word. It will end up before the Supreme Court...Vinson's ruling guarantees it. And if his ruling stands, there will be nothing to stop what we should have had in the first place, what the American people want...a public option.

It never ceases to amaze me how much you folks on the right root for failure and seek to inflict punishment. 'Conservatism' today is really just authoritarianism.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

You lie!
You Lie!
 
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