Obama and Democrats, Not Republicans, Need to Answer for Debt Ceiling

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Hail Voltaire
by David Limbaugh
05/22/2011

What kind of surreal world are we inhabiting where the political party that is trying to address our debt problem is on the defensive at the hands of the reckless party that chooses to mock, demagogue and delay?

The national dialogue, at least the one being choreographed by Democrats and their amen chorus in the liberal Beltway media, has been distorted beyond measure. We are asking the wrong questions and getting the wrong answers.

Let's focus on the real problem. We are in a national debt crisis -- present tense; this is not something that might occur in the future. Medicare and Social Security trustees just issued the grim report that Medicare's fiscal hole has deepened by an additional $2 trillion and its projected date of insolvency has been moved up five more years to 2024. Social Security was already $49 billion in the red last year, and its projected insolvency date has been advanced to 2036.

Meanwhile, S&P lowered America's long-term credit rating from "stable" to "negative," and CNN Money warned that this means there's a one in three chance that S&P will downgrade our AAA credit rating within two years. Also, Pimco, the world's largest bond fund with $1.2 trillion in assets, has already sold off all of its U.S. government holdings.

So, the media shouldn't be asking the Republicans whether they intend to play brinksmanship with the debt ceiling, suggesting that if they refuse to raise the limit again they'll cause the United States to default on its obligations and plunge into a financial catastrophe.

Instead, they should be cornering their most favored president and his Democrats and asking them why they are AWOL on our debt crisis. They should demand an answer on why they didn't produce a budget in 2010 despite having control of both houses of Congress, an egregious act of neglect that hasn't occurred in a couple of generations.

Obama and the Democrats should be asked why they continue to perpetuate the myth that Republicans are going to force a default on our national obligations if they don't agree to raise the debt ceiling. Democrats know the government won't default on its obligations because the interest on the debt represents but a small fraction of the budget. It is other expenditures that will have to be delayed -- something that's unthinkable to these rapacious spenders.

But since the liberal press is not going to do its job, the Republicans and the alternative media need to do it, with considerable frequency and volume. Obama and his Democrats need to be placed on the defensive. They are the primary drivers of this spending; they are the obstructers of entitlement reform, and the national debt continues to burn while they fiddle.

We need to dispense a little of their own medicine to them and turn the PR tide against them. Behind their aggressive accusations against Republicans, beneath the veneer of their fear mongering, lurks a sordid absence of engagement on the major issue facing us today.

We need to ask them, "Why do you refuse to join Republicans in serious and concrete spending cuts and entitlement reform (as distinguished from your insincere promises to curtail spending at some indefinite time in the future) prior to raising the debt ceiling? Why do you continue to excoriate Republicans for insisting on such urgent legislation? Do you deny Paul Ryan's report that bondholders and the financial markets are far more concerned about the United States not bringing its fiscal house in order than about not raising the debt ceiling? Do you deny that the United States will honor its interest and principal payments irrespective of its having reached its debt ceiling?"

"Do you plan to come to the table anytime soon and present concrete proposals of your own, or do you intend to stonewall through the 2012 election, calculating that you can win re-election simply by slinging arrows at Ryan for attacking the third rail of politics and its cousins?"

"Or are you too busy directing the National Labor Relations Board in its lawless war on Boeing, our largest exporter, in favor of your union bosses; directing Eric Holder's unconscionable decision to prosecute CIA interrogators whose work product made possible the bin Laden raid; directing Kathleen Sebelius as to which of your political friends will receive Obamacare favoritism waivers; directing your EPA's overt war against offshore drilling; directing your administration's refusal to protect America's borders; and devising ways to mistreat our ally Israel?" Oh, that's right. You never interfere with the prerogative of your "independent" agencies. My bad.

Obama and the Democrats have no excuse under the sun for their wanton failure to address our debt crisis. It's time they answered for it.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43634
 
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 17:39 ET

What I learned from hanging out with deficit hawks

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation's "Fiscal Solutions Tour" came to my town, so I stopped by

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Peter G. Peterson

The Fiscal Solutions Tour is the latest Peter G. Peterson Foundation effort to rouse the public against deficits and the national debt — and in particular (though they manage to avoid saying so) to win support for measures that would impose drastic cuts on Social Security and Medicare. It features Robert Bixby of the Concord Coalition, former Comptroller General David Walker and the veteran economist Alice Rivlin, whose recent distinctions include serving on the Bowles-Simpson commission. They came to Austin on February 9 and (partly because Rivlin is an old friend) I went.

Mr. Bixby began by describing the public debt as "the defining issue of our time." It is, he said, a question of “how big a debt we can have and what can we afford?" He did not explain why this is so. He did not, for instance, attempt to compare the debt to the financial crisis, to joblessness or foreclosures, nor to energy or climate change. Oddly none of those issues were actually mentioned by anyone, all evening long.

A notable feature of Bixby’s presentation were his charts. One of them showed clearly how the public deficit soared at the precise moment that the financial crisis struck in late 2008. The chart also shows how the Clinton surpluses had started to disappear in the recession of 2000. But Mr. Bixby seemed not to have noticed either event. Flashing this chart, he merely commented that "Congress took care" of the budget surplus. Still, the charts did show the facts -- and in this respect they were the intellectual highpoint of the occasion.

A David Walker speech is always worth listening to with care, for Mr. Walker is a reliable and thorough enumerator of popular deficit-scare themes. Three of these in particular caught my attention on Friday.

To my surprise, Walker began on a disarming note: he acknowledged that the level of our national debt is not actually high. In relation to GDP, it is only a bit over half of what it was in 1946. And to give more credit, the number Walker used, 63 percent, refers to debt held by the public, which is the correct construct -- not the 90+ percent figure for gross debt, commonly seen in press reports and in comparisons with other countries. The relevant number is today below where it was in the mid-1950s, and comparable to the early 1990s.

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by David Limbaugh
05/22/2011

What kind of surreal world are we inhabiting where the political party that is trying to address our debt problem is on the defensive at the hands of the reckless party that chooses to mock, demagogue and delay?

I think the question should be, "What kind of surreal world are we inhabiting where a political party in the richest country on the face of the earth claim it's not only reckless but down right impossible to try and look after it's needy citizens?

(Excerpt) Nearly since the birth of Social Security and Medicare, these two successful programs have been under constant attack.

I remember so clearly in 2005 fighting against President George W. Bush's plan to privatize Social Security and gamble seniors' benefits in the stock market.

Imagine what would have happened if seniors' benefits had been in the stock market during the 2008 financial crisis. Instead of learning from that experience, today our vital American programs are again under attack.

Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin recently released the new, very disturbing, Republican budget. To pay for tax breaks for billionaires and international corporations who ship jobs overseas, the budget makes drastic changes and cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.

So drastic, in fact, that the conservative-leaning Wall Street Journal said the plan would "essentially end Medicare."

One out of every seven people I represent is on Medicare.

The new budget turns Medicare into a voucher system, ending the guaranteed benefits our seniors have earned. Today, Medicare directly pays most of the health care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, even if they are very sick. But if this proposal goes through, seniors will be forced to buy health care on the private market, leaving them at the mercy of insurance companies — just like they were 50 years ago before Medicare.
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/05/23/1749689/gop-budget-plan-reduces-care-for.html

Entitlement programs? Maybe it's time we referred to them as what they really are: survival programs.

(Excerpt) Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002. (End) (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/) to (Excerpt) Median Income: The median income for elderly men in 1996 was $16,886 for whites, $11,570 for African Americans, and $9,794 for Hispanics. The median incomes of elderly women were substantially less: $9,654 for whites, $7,067 for African Americans, and $6,652 for Hispanics. (End) http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/tb1b/Section2/activity6h1.html

Forty-five thousand people dying and millions trying to scrape by on 10 or 15 thousand a year and some politician says, "let's cut back, let's trim those "entitlement" programs."

It's a surreal world, alright.

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by David Limbaugh
05/22/2011

What kind of surreal world are we inhabiting where the political party that is trying to address our debt problem is on the defensive at the hands of the reckless party that chooses to mock, demagogue and delay?

The national dialogue, at least the one being choreographed by Democrats and their amen chorus in the liberal Beltway media, has been distorted beyond measure. We are asking the wrong questions and getting the wrong answers.

Let's focus on the real problem. We are in a national debt crisis -- present tense; this is not something that might occur in the future. Medicare and Social Security trustees just issued the grim report that Medicare's fiscal hole has deepened by an additional $2 trillion and its projected date of insolvency has been moved up five more years to 2024. Social Security was already $49 billion in the red last year, and its projected insolvency date has been advanced to 2036.

Meanwhile, S&P lowered America's long-term credit rating from "stable" to "negative," and CNN Money warned that this means there's a one in three chance that S&P will downgrade our AAA credit rating within two years. Also, Pimco, the world's largest bond fund with $1.2 trillion in assets, has already sold off all of its U.S. government holdings.

So, the media shouldn't be asking the Republicans whether they intend to play brinksmanship with the debt ceiling, suggesting that if they refuse to raise the limit again they'll cause the United States to default on its obligations and plunge into a financial catastrophe.

Instead, they should be cornering their most favored president and his Democrats and asking them why they are AWOL on our debt crisis. They should demand an answer on why they didn't produce a budget in 2010 despite having control of both houses of Congress, an egregious act of neglect that hasn't occurred in a couple of generations.

Obama and the Democrats should be asked why they continue to perpetuate the myth that Republicans are going to force a default on our national obligations if they don't agree to raise the debt ceiling. Democrats know the government won't default on its obligations because the interest on the debt represents but a small fraction of the budget. It is other expenditures that will have to be delayed -- something that's unthinkable to these rapacious spenders.

But since the liberal press is not going to do its job, the Republicans and the alternative media need to do it, with considerable frequency and volume. Obama and his Democrats need to be placed on the defensive. They are the primary drivers of this spending; they are the obstructers of entitlement reform, and the national debt continues to burn while they fiddle.

We need to dispense a little of their own medicine to them and turn the PR tide against them. Behind their aggressive accusations against Republicans, beneath the veneer of their fear mongering, lurks a sordid absence of engagement on the major issue facing us today.

We need to ask them, "Why do you refuse to join Republicans in serious and concrete spending cuts and entitlement reform (as distinguished from your insincere promises to curtail spending at some indefinite time in the future) prior to raising the debt ceiling? Why do you continue to excoriate Republicans for insisting on such urgent legislation? Do you deny Paul Ryan's report that bondholders and the financial markets are far more concerned about the United States not bringing its fiscal house in order than about not raising the debt ceiling? Do you deny that the United States will honor its interest and principal payments irrespective of its having reached its debt ceiling?"

"Do you plan to come to the table anytime soon and present concrete proposals of your own, or do you intend to stonewall through the 2012 election, calculating that you can win re-election simply by slinging arrows at Ryan for attacking the third rail of politics and its cousins?"

"Or are you too busy directing the National Labor Relations Board in its lawless war on Boeing, our largest exporter, in favor of your union bosses; directing Eric Holder's unconscionable decision to prosecute CIA interrogators whose work product made possible the bin Laden raid; directing Kathleen Sebelius as to which of your political friends will receive Obamacare favoritism waivers; directing your EPA's overt war against offshore drilling; directing your administration's refusal to protect America's borders; and devising ways to mistreat our ally Israel?" Oh, that's right. You never interfere with the prerogative of your "independent" agencies. My bad.

Obama and the Democrats have no excuse under the sun for their wanton failure to address our debt crisis. It's time they answered for it.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43634
 
Voltaire, really? Just doing some stirring today or what?

The republicans have made this threat that they can't backup.
This is based on their beleif that the citizens are stupid enought to beleive most whatever they say. It has worked often enough in the past. As an example of the effectiveness of this method, 70% of registered republicans actualy belevie we should default on the debt. Privately, all republican lawmakers know that we can't default.

To throw this out there as a democrat problem is B.S. You yourself acknowledged the republican responsibility for running up the deficit just the other day, saying even that if Gore had been elected it wouldn't be this bad. The article you quoted is nothing more than furious backpedaling by the GOP who now realizes that a threat without possible backup is a serious mistake. Now they are trying to throw it on the dems. I am a little surprised that you are a party to this level of hackery.
 
I think the question should be, "What kind of surreal world are we inhabiting where a political party in the richest country on the face of the earth claim it's not only reckless but down right impossible to try and look after it's needy citizens?

(Excerpt) Nearly since the birth of Social Security and Medicare, these two successful programs have been under constant attack.

I remember so clearly in 2005 fighting against President George W. Bush's plan to privatize Social Security and gamble seniors' benefits in the stock market.

Imagine what would have happened if seniors' benefits had been in the stock market during the 2008 financial crisis. Instead of learning from that experience, today our vital American programs are again under attack.

Yes, lets do imagine. Had the money been put ENTIRELY in the stock market (which is in NO ONE's plan but the fear mongers) the money from the end of 2005 to today would be up a very modest 5.5%.

had the money been invested ENTIRELY in the stock market (again, only the fear mongers straw men suggest to do this) at the end of 2000 as discussed that year, the money would have gone through TWO of the worst market corrections this country has seen and it STILL would have been right where it is today. So even in the secular BEAR market of the past 12 years, it hasn't even been close to the catastrophe the fear mongers on the left use to scare people away from privatization.

Add in the FACT that privatization does NOT mean putting 'everything into the stock market' and you can see why the left is so completely dishonest on the issue.

Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin recently released the new, very disturbing, Republican budget. To pay for tax breaks for billionaires and international corporations who ship jobs overseas, the budget makes drastic changes and cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. So drastic, in fact, that the conservative-leaning Wall Street Journal said the plan would "essentially end Medicare."

One out of every seven people I represent is on Medicare.

The new budget turns Medicare into a voucher system, ending the guaranteed benefits our seniors have earned. Today, Medicare directly pays most of the health care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, even if they are very sick. But if this proposal goes through, seniors will be forced to buy health care on the private market, leaving them at the mercy of insurance companies — just like they were 50 years ago before Medicare.
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/05/23/1749689/gop-budget-plan-reduces-care-for.html

Yes, and without changes to Medicare it will be done entirely by 2024. So instead of bitching about someone putting forth a plan, instead of creating a NEW MONSTROSITY in Obamacare.... how about instead you create a plan that will REDUCE health care costs and make health care affordable again?
 
Voltaire, really? Just doing some stirring today or what?

The republicans have made this threat that they can't backup.
This is based on their beleif that the citizens are stupid enought to beleive most whatever they say. It has worked often enough in the past. As an example of the effectiveness of this method, 70% of registered republicans actualy belevie we should default on the debt. Privately, all republican lawmakers know that we can't default.

To throw this out there as a democrat problem is B.S. You yourself acknowledged the republican responsibility for running up the deficit just the other day, saying even that if Gore had been elected it wouldn't be this bad. The article you quoted is nothing more than furious backpedaling by the GOP who now realizes that a threat without possible backup is a serious mistake. Now they are trying to throw it on the dems. I am a little surprised that you are a party to this level of hackery.

Please link us to the data that supports the bolded above. Thanks in advance.
 
Voltaire, really? Just doing some stirring today or what?

The republicans have made this threat that they can't backup.
This is based on their beleif that the citizens are stupid enought to beleive most whatever they say. It has worked often enough in the past. As an example of the effectiveness of this method, 70% of registered republicans actualy belevie we should default on the debt. Privately, all republican lawmakers know that we can't default.

To throw this out there as a democrat problem is B.S. You yourself acknowledged the republican responsibility for running up the deficit just the other day, saying even that if Gore had been elected it wouldn't be this bad. The article you quoted is nothing more than furious backpedaling by the GOP who now realizes that a threat without possible backup is a serious mistake. Now they are trying to throw it on the dems. I am a little surprised that you are a party to this level of hackery.

Please link us to the data that supports the bolded above. Thanks in advance.


Gallup Poll: 70 Percent of Republicans Oppose Raising Debt Ceiling


Many Republican congressmen have expressed opposition to an increase in the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling. And a new Gallup poll shows Republican voters feel the same way. Indeed, 70 percent of them oppose lifting the debt-limit ceiling, while only 8 percent favor it, and 21 percent say they know too little to decide, The Hill reports.

Among Americans as a whole, 47 percent oppose a hike, 19 percent favor one, and 34 percent say they don’t know enough to form an opinion.

As for Democrats, 26 percent oppose an increase, 33 percent favor it, and 40 percent are unsure. Among independents, 46 percent are against a hike, 15 percent approve of it, and 40 percent are unsure.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Gallup-debt-ceiling-Republicans/2011/05/13/id/396272
 
Yes, lets do imagine. Had the money been put ENTIRELY in the stock market (which is in NO ONE's plan but the fear mongers) the money from the end of 2005 to today would be up a very modest 5.5%.

had the money been invested ENTIRELY in the stock market (again, only the fear mongers straw men suggest to do this) at the end of 2000 as discussed that year, the money would have gone through TWO of the worst market corrections this country has seen and it STILL would have been right where it is today. So even in the secular BEAR market of the past 12 years, it hasn't even been close to the catastrophe the fear mongers on the left use to scare people away from privatization.

Add in the FACT that privatization does NOT mean putting 'everything into the stock market' and you can see why the left is so completely dishonest on the issue.

Let's start with the obvious. The less money put into the government plan, SS, the less money the government will have available to pay out.

Some people did invest privately and ended up with nothing. Folks like the Enron employees. Many others took a hit with their stocks when the bubble burst.

It's fine to say a few years later things improved but what would have happened to those who retired at that time? For example, let's say someone had $100,000 in stock and it dropped 25%. They're left with $75,000. Now they need $25,000 a year to live on so over the next two years they take a total of $50,000 leaving $25,000 invested. Then the market picks up.

As you mentioned from 2005 till now the money would be up 5.5%. That's great for the person who didn't need to touch their $100,000. (First it dropped to $75,000 , then increased to $105,500.) What about the person who withdrew $50,000, over two years, to live on? How much do they have left? The stocks that were supposed to regain their value have been cashed out.

Yes, and without changes to Medicare it will be done entirely by 2024. So instead of bitching about someone putting forth a plan, instead of creating a NEW MONSTROSITY in Obamacare.... how about instead you create a plan that will REDUCE health care costs and make health care affordable again?

Dozens of countries have produced health care plans that save money, savings on average of 30% + compared to the US. Are Republicans prepared to implement a full government health care plan?

What don't people understand? Dozens of countries have taken a medicare plan and a medicaid plan and general health insurance plan and rolled it all in one and are saving over 30%. It's been done. There are dozens of examples and not one plan has been scrapped. Not one country has reverted to a "pay or suffer" system.

There is no shortage of examples but until the decision is made to have one government plan it's going to be constant bickering. On the up-side as different initiatives of the ObamaCare plan come on line people will realize the benefits. One more Obama Presidency and a lot of this nonsense will be history. One medical plan for everyone.
 
Adults know it must be done Yurt.

i'll remember that the next time you pull out the "the majority want this, why are the pubs, bush, etc, ignoring them!!!!!"

adults understand how to manage budgets, dumb teenagers who don't know how to manage money of course want daddy to raise their credit limit

maybe someday you'll live in the real world
 
And adults know that defaulting has dire consequences.

Adults also know that not raising a credit limit on a credit card is not the same thing as defaulting.

Other things adults know.

Without seriously restructuring your budget, it doesn't matter if you continue to pay the bills by increasing debt limits, you'll never get out of crippling debt and at some point you will reach bankruptcy.

Telling the family that we either restructure, or we'll force the issue because the limit is reached and won't be raised without serious changes... isn't "defaulting"...

And lastly:

The majority of the nation agrees with the adults.
 
i'll remember that the next time you pull out the "the majority want this, why are the pubs, bush, etc, ignoring them!!!!!"

adults understand how to manage budgets, dumb teenagers who don't know how to manage money of course want daddy to raise their credit limit

maybe someday you'll live in the real world

Yurt, the debt ceiling was raised 9 TIMES in Bush's 8 years in office. And he didn't face the catastrophic crash of our economy like Obama has had to deal with. But now a Democrat is in the White House and everything that responsible adults once agreed on is no longer in the hands of adults.
 
Yurt, the debt ceiling was raised 9 TIMES in Bush's 8 years in office. And he didn't face the catastrophic crash of our economy like Obama has had to deal with. But now a Democrat is in the White House and everything that responsible adults once agreed on is no longer in the hands of adults.

bush did it too!!!!

the debt is MUCH higher now....you cannot keep pointing to the past. it simply is not accurate and does not paint a true picture. stop making excuses for obama....
 
Adults also know that not raising a credit limit on a credit card is not the same thing as defaulting.

Other things adults know.

Without seriously restructuring your budget, it doesn't matter if you continue to pay the bills by increasing debt limits, you'll never get out of crippling debt and at some point you will reach bankruptcy.

Telling the family that we either restructure, or we'll force the issue because the limit is reached and won't be raised without serious changes... isn't "defaulting"...

And lastly:

The majority of the nation agrees with the adults.

It is really unfortunate that a group of right wing scum is trying to destroy this nation, and pea brains like you don't have the intelligence to find out the truth. Republicans have framed this issue and their LIES have become accepted truth. But a lie is a LIE. And shame on spineless Democrats and Obama for allowing this to happen. We are not near bankruptcy. The public held debt in relation to GDP is only a bit over half of what it was in 1946.

Reducing the debt is going to take many decades, not days, weeks, months or years. What Republicans are trying to do is destroy social programs and eliminate public jobs. That will make things WORSE, not better. We don't need millions more on unemployment.

You people really need to THINK, because these are the lives of fellow Americans. You better seriously consider the HUMAN toll of these proposals and brinkmanship.
 
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