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cops getting shot, gunmen roaming colleges, and still the daily carnage in America's inner cities, and as constant as ever, conservatives keep telling us more guns is the solution to this madness. As is, any madman, dimwit, guy with a grudge, documented potential terrorist, or just about anyone in America can obtain a weapon legally, and conservatives want to make it even more convenient

At what point does common sense take over?
 
cawacko said:
As guns have increased crime has gone down, that's a fact.
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A fact often distorted by the right, to begin with the population has gotten older, lot less grampa gangsters, also, the prior figures you citing take into account the crack epidemic and it's associated violence, both of which has disappeared today. Your taking the facts totally out of context to suggest causation, which doesn't exist
 
archives said:
cops getting shot, gunmen roaming colleges, and still the daily carnage in America's inner cities, and as constant as ever, conservatives keep telling us more guns is the solution to this madness. As is, any madman, dimwit, guy with a grudge, documented potential terrorist, or just about anyone in America can obtain a weapon legally, and conservatives want to make it even more convenient

At what point does common sense take over?
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When you can repeal the Bill of Rights.
 
Threedee said:
When you can repeal the Bill of Rights.
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That's not true, no right in the Bill of Rights is absolute, never were, nor intended as such. Gun rules and regulation are Constitutional, even Scalia admitted such at the end of his opinion in the Holder case, which by the way will be overturned some day, the opinion of the conservative Court was illogical
 
archives said:
That's not true, no right in the Bill of Rights is absolute, never were, nor intended as such. Gun rules and regulation are Constitutional, even Scalia admitted such at the end of his opinion in the Holder case, which by the way will be overturned some day, the opinion of the conservative Court was illogical
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Conservative Court opinions are based-upon the actual Constitution, which is why the left reviles them.
 
archives said:
A fact often distorted by the right, to begin with the population has gotten older, lot less grampa gangsters, also, the prior figures you citing take into account the crack epidemic and it's associated violence, both of which has disappeared today. Your taking the facts totally out of context to suggest causation, which doesn't exist
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So violence and murder have decreased dramatically in this country. That's a good thing. You want no guns and that's not going to happen
 
archives said:
That's not true, no right in the Bill of Rights is absolute, never were, nor intended as such. Gun rules and regulation are Constitutional, even Scalia admitted such at the end of his opinion in the Holder case, which by the way will be overturned some day, the opinion of the conservative Court was illogical
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You have a good point here actually. Rights are claimed, that means if you pricks try to take them from me I'll claim them, and you won't like the way I do that.
 
Threedee said:
Conservative Court opinions are based-upon the actual Constitution, which is why the left reviles them.
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Disagree, the Holder Case wasn't based on the Constitution, they completely threw out the Prefatory Clause to the Second Amendment

And no matter who you are you'd have to stretch the First Amendment to interpret that a Corporation as an entity has speech and religious rights
 
Guille said:
You have a good point here actually. Rights are claimed, that means if you pricks try to take them from me I'll claim them, and you won't like the way I do that.
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Wrong, you can claim all you want, and do it anyway you like, but in the end, that doesn't mean you have that right, children say they have the right to stay up late at night, and throw tantrums doing it, but that still don't mean they have that right

Want to try again?
 
archives said:
Disagree, the Holder Case wasn't based on the Constitution, they completely threw out the Prefatory Clause to the Second Amendment

And no matter who you are you'd have to stretch the First Amendment to interpret that a Corporation as an entity has speech and religious rights
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The corporate personhood comes from the 14th Amendment. Applying the 1st Amendment makes sense while the previous findings are upheld. The Prefatory Clause neither adds to, nor subtracts from, any issue concerning the individual right to bare arms.
 
archives said:
Wrong, you can claim all you want, and do it anyway you like, but in the end, that doesn't mean you have that right, children say they have the right to stay up late at night, and throw tantrums doing it, but that still don't mean they have that right

Want to try again?
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No, I don't want to try again. I think you need to. If I don't control my rights who does?
 
archives said:
Wrong, you can claim all you want, and do it anyway you like, but in the end, that doesn't mean you have that right, children say they have the right to stay up late at night, and throw tantrums doing it, but that still don't mean they have that right

Want to try again?
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You would have been a great British territorial governor, with your paternalistic arguments concerning the rights of the subjects.
 
cawacko said:
As guns have increased crime has gone down, that's a fact.
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Another clueless comment from someone who is ignorant about the difference between causation and correlation.

Did you know that that black cat crossing your path was NOT the reason you had a bad day? Obviously, you think so, but that doesn't make it so.
 
archives said:
Disagree, the Holder Case wasn't based on the Constitution, they completely threw out the Prefatory Clause to the Second Amendment

And no matter who you are you'd have to stretch the First Amendment to interpret that a Corporation as an entity has speech and religious rights
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A corporation is a group of people authorized to act as a single entity and recognized as such in law....no stretch at all....

That bird has flown away years ago.....
 
domer76 said:
Another clueless comment from someone who is ignorant about the difference between causation and correlation.

Did you know that that black cat crossing your path was NOT the reason you had a bad day? Obviously, you think so, but that doesn't make it so.
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It speaks to the weakness of your argument that you feel the need to attack. Keep fighting to take away guns and watch gun ownership continue to grow
 
domer76 said:
Another clueless comment from someone who is ignorant about the difference between causation and correlation.

Did you know that that black cat crossing your path was NOT the reason you had a bad day? Obviously, you think so, but that doesn't make it so.
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The poor quality of USC and Santa Clara football is why Cawacko has bad days. Also, if crime is going down, then there's no reason for us to let the left achieve their big dreams of restricting/abolishing gun rights.
 
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