New study says oceans' chemistry changing rapidly

[Don Quixote]

New study says oceans' chemistry changing rapidly
4/22/2010 12:35:00 PM

Associated Press/AP Online
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID WASHINGTON - The chemistry of the oceans is changing faster than it has in hundreds of thousands of years because of the carbon dioxide being absorbed from the atmosphere, the National Research Council reported Thursday.
Carbon dioxide and other industrial gases have been a concern for several years because of their impact on the air, raising global temperatures in a process called the greenhouse effect.
One factor easing that warmth has been the amount of CO2 taken up by the oceans, but that has also caused scientific concerns because the chemicals make the water more acidic, which can affect sea life.
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, the pH of ocean water has declined from 8.2 to 8.1 and a further decline of 0.2 to 0.3 units is expected by the end of this century, according to the Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Science.
The current rate of change "exceeds any known change in ocean chemistry for at least 800,000 years," the report said.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The current rate of change "exceeds any known change in ocean chemistry for at least 800,000 years," the report said.

WTF??? How can they even SAY such a wild assed thing? There weren't even humans here 800k years ago, how the fuck did they get a ph measurement on the ocean? Yeah, I guess it's safe to say "any known change" since they wouldn't have known about something predating their existence!

For the record, botanists will tell you that plant life on Earth, evolved in a much richer concentration of CO2. So, at one point in time, the ocean must have had much more CO2 as well, it stands to reason. Now, if all the life around us managed to evolve and flourish, it must not have been that catastrophic! Botanists also say that until recently, plants and trees were literally starving for CO2.

The current concentration of CO2 is 360 parts per million. For the dumb butts like Don, that means, 999,640 of 1 million parts, are something besides CO2. Also, it is beneficial to note, without CO2 in the atmosphere, we would all die and all life on Earth would vanish. It helps to protect us from harmful radiation, as well as providing ALL plant life with essential nutrients needed for growth. CO2 causes plants to absorb more moisture, increasing growth potential. In fact, plant nurseries routinely pump CO2 into their greenhouses to obtain optimal growth. It's not a poison, it's not a pollutant, it is essential to all living things. The basis for CO2 is Carbon, the essential element in all life.

Don, you are an old fart, stop reading this nonsense and go enjoy life! You don't have that much left, and it's a shame to waste it on this crap. Even if you are right, you aren't going to see any change before you are long dead and gone, so stop worrying about it and enjoy life! Go outside and take a deep breath of fresh air... air that is made up of 360 ppm CO2, and relax, OSHA has determined it would take concentrations of 1500 ppm or more, to have any sort of harmful effects on humans. We're nowhere near that amount yet.

 

[wanderingbear]

What do you expect when people pour so many pollutants into it.

 

[Onceler]

WTF??? How can they even SAY such a wild assed thing? There weren't even humans here 800k years ago, how the fuck did they get a ph measurement on the ocean? Yeah, I guess it's safe to say "any known change" since they wouldn't have known about something predating their existence!

For the record, botanists will tell you that plant life on Earth, evolved in a much richer concentration of CO2. So, at one point in time, the ocean must have had much more CO2 as well, it stands to reason. Now, if all the life around us managed to evolve and flourish, it must not have been that catastrophic! Botanists also say that until recently, plants and trees were literally starving for CO2.

The current concentration of CO2 is 360 parts per million. For the dumb butts like Don, that means, 999,640 of 1 million parts, are something besides CO2. Also, it is beneficial to note, without CO2 in the atmosphere, we would all die and all life on Earth would vanish. It helps to protect us from harmful radiation, as well as providing ALL plant life with essential nutrients needed for growth. CO2 causes plants to absorb more moisture, increasing growth potential. In fact, plant nurseries routinely pump CO2 into their greenhouses to obtain optimal growth. It's not a poison, it's not a pollutant, it is essential to all living things. The basis for CO2 is Carbon, the essential element in all life.

Don, you are an old fart, stop reading this nonsense and go enjoy life! You don't have that much left, and it's a shame to waste it on this crap. Even if you are right, you aren't going to see any change before you are long dead and gone, so stop worrying about it and enjoy life! Go outside and take a deep breath of fresh air... air that is made up of 360 ppm CO2, and relax, OSHA has determined it would take concentrations of 1500 ppm or more, to have any sort of harmful effects on humans. We're nowhere near that amount yet.

Awfully defensive there, Dix. He was just posting a study.

And my goodness - how ever can them scientists actually get measurements on things from before a time when people were actually there to make measurements? It boggles the mind!

Isn't it perplexing when real science contradicts Dixie-science?

 

[Onceler]

I don't think I've ever heard such an impassioned defense of C02, either. I always wondered what Dixie does; he must be one of those C02 lawyers.

"Botanists will tell you"...that's priceless...

 

[Cypress]

New study says oceans' chemistry changing rapidly
4/22/2010 12:35:00 PM

Associated Press/AP Online
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID WASHINGTON - The chemistry of the oceans is changing faster than it has in hundreds of thousands of years because of the carbon dioxide being absorbed from the atmosphere, the National Research Council reported Thursday.

Carbon dioxide and other industrial gases have been a concern for several years because of their impact on the air, raising global temperatures in a process called the greenhouse effect.
.

Pffftt. "National Research Council"???

Clearly, another one of those lying, leftist, scientific organizations the Climate Gate Jihadists are always dismissing as corrupt, incompetent, and dishonest; i.e., NASA, the US National Academy of Sciences, NOAA, USEPA, MIT, IPCC, Royal Society, et al..

 

[Cypress]

WTF??? How can they even SAY such a wild assed thing?

There weren't even humans here 800k years ago, how the fuck did they get a ph measurement on the ocean?......
.

Dear Professor Dixie,

They measure isotopes, which are a proxy for evaluating ancient pH levels.


Regards,

Cypress

 

[DamnYankee]

New study says oceans' chemistry changing rapidly
4/22/2010 12:35:00 PM

Associated Press/AP Online
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID WASHINGTON - The chemistry of the oceans is changing faster than it has in hundreds of thousands of years because of the carbon dioxide being absorbed from the atmosphere, the National Research Council reported Thursday.
Carbon dioxide and other industrial gases have been a concern for several years because of their impact on the air, raising global temperatures in a process called the greenhouse effect.
One factor easing that warmth has been the amount of CO2 taken up by the oceans, but that has also caused scientific concerns because the chemicals make the water more acidic, which can affect sea life.
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, the pH of ocean water has declined from 8.2 to 8.1 and a further decline of 0.2 to 0.3 units is expected by the end of this century, according to the Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Science.
The current rate of change "exceeds any known change in ocean chemistry for at least 800,000 years," the report said.

Earth to RANDOLPH E. SCHMID: a pH of 7.8 is not "acidic", but basic.

 

[Cypress]

Earth to RANDOLPH E. SCHMID: a pH of 7.8 is not "acidic", but basic.

Note to Professor Southernman:

He didn't say the ocean was acid. He said a drop in pH makes it more acidic.

Basic college chemistry: A drop in pH is an increase in acidity; i.e., it makes the solution more acidic. Not more alkaline.

 

[DamnYankee]

Note to Professor Southernman:

He didn't say the ocean was acid. He said a drop in pH makes it more acidic.

Basic college chemistry: A drop in pH is an increase in acidity; i.e., it makes the solution more acidic. Not more alkaline.

Until you get past the buffered range of 7.3 to 7.4, its silly to call something being "more acidic", since it ain't acidic in the first place.

That would be like calling me "more liberal".

 

[Cypress]

Until you get past the buffered range of 7.3 to 7.4, its silly to call something being "more acidic", since it ain't acidic in the first place.

That would be like calling me "more liberal".

It's not silly. He didn't call the oceans an acid solution.

Its Introductory College Chemistry 101, Professor. A drop in pH, is an increase in the acidity of a solution. Period. What he said was exactly scientifically correct. Carry on.

 

[DamnYankee]

It's not silly. He didn't call the oceans an acid solution.

Its Introductory College Chemistry 101, Professor. A drop in pH, is an increase in the acidity of a solution. Period. What he said was exactly scientifically correct. Carry on.

Actually he said "the chemicals make the water more acidic". Since it isn't acid to begin with, and can't possibly get into the acid range because of the huge buffering affect of dissolved minerals, he's exactly scientifically incorrect at best and hyperbolic at worst.

And that's engineering graduate school CIE 551, 651 and 652.

 

[zappasguitar]

Don, you are an old fart, stop reading this nonsense and go enjoy life! You don't have that much left, and it's a shame to waste it on this crap. Even if you are right, you aren't going to see any change before you are long dead and gone, so stop worrying about it and enjoy life! Go outside and take a deep breath of fresh air... air that is made up of 360 ppm CO2, and relax, OSHA has determined it would take concentrations of 1500 ppm or more, to have any sort of harmful effects on humans. We're nowhere near that amount yet.

DINGDINGDINGDING!!!

We have a winner!!

The "Enormous Douchebag of the Day" award for Friday, April 23rd, 2010 goes to....


.....DIXIE!!

...for the totally awesome way he debates people!

 

[Cypress]

Actually he said "the chemicals make the water more acidic". Since it isn't acid to begin with, and can't possibly get into the acid range because of the huge buffering affect of dissolved minerals, he's exactly scientifically incorrect at best and hyperbolic at worst.

And that's engineering graduate school CIE 551, 651 and 652.

Hey Professor, remedial chemistry is in order for you. Nitpick all you want, but the scientist in the article is using the correct scientific terminology. the oceans are getting more acidic even though they are still basic. The addition of CO2 to the ocean increases the H+ activity of ocean water (decreasing ocean pH), and thus makes the oceans more acidic.
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Don’t believe me? Well then I ask you, who should we trust to provide the correct answer?

1) Anonymous and Obscure Message Board Poster and Alleged Chemistry Armchair Expert Southernman?

Or…

2) The National Academies of Sciences of virtually every Single Nation on the Planet?

'“Over the past 200 years, the oceans have absorbed approximately a quarter of the CO2 produced from human activities. This CO2 would otherwise have accumulated in the atmosphere leading to greater climate change. However, the absorption of this CO2 has affected ocean chemistry and has caused the oceans (which are on average slightly alkaline) to become more acidic.”


Signed,

• US National Academy of Sciences

• The Royal Society, UK

• Australian Academy of Science

• Bangladesh Academy of Sciences

• The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium

• Brazilian Academy of Sciences

• Bulgarian Academy of Sciences

• Cameroon Academy of Sciences

• RSC: The Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada

• Academia Chilena de Ciencias

• Chinese Academy of Sciences

• Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences

• Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences

• Cuban Academy of Sciences

• Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic

• Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters

• Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana

• Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt

• The Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters

• Académie des Sciences, France

• Georgian Academy of Sciences

• Union der Deutschen Akademien der Wissenschaften

• Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina

• The Academy of Athens

• Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala

• Indian National Science Academy

• Indonesian Academy of Sciences

• Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran

• Royal Irish Academy

• Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities

• Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei

• Science Council of Japan

• African Academy of Sciences

• Kenya National Academy of Sciences

• The Korean Academy of Science and Technology

• Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts

• National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic

• Akademi Sains Malaysia

• Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology

• Academia Mexicana de Ciencias

• Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts

• The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences

• Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand

• Nigerian Academy of Sciences

• Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters

• Pakistan Academy of Sciences

• Palestine Academy for Science and Technology

• Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru

• Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa

• Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal

• Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts

http://www.interacademies.net/Object.File/Master/9/075/Statement_RS1579_IAP_05.09final2.pdf

Game over. My work here is done, Professor.

 

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Hey Professor, remedial chemistry is in order for you. Nitpick all you want, but the scientist in the article is using the correct scientific terminology. the oceans are getting more acidic even though they are still basic. The addition of CO2 to the ocean increases the H+ activity of ocean water (decreasing ocean pH), and thus makes the oceans more acidic.
**********************************************************************

Don’t believe me? Well then I ask you, who should we trust to provide the correct answer?

1) Anonymous and Obscure Message Board Poster and Alleged Chemistry Armchair Expert Southernman?

Or…

2) The National Academies of Sciences of virtually every Single Nation on the Planet?





Game over. My work here is done, Professor.

The pH of the oceans is 8.1 which makes them weakly alkaline, the question that needs to be answered is why, when they have been absorbing CO2 for over 4 billion years are they not much more acidic?

http://nov55.com/acd.html

 

[Topspin]

I know that about a drop in ph from my hydro garden!

 

[Cypress]

I know that about a drop in ph from my hydro garden!

How are the cannibis plants doing? Hey my stoner brother, we weren't talking about "acid", as in LSD! Take another bong hit Rasta man!

 

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How are the cannibis plants doing? Hey my stoner brother, we weren't talking about "acid", as in LSD! Take another bong hit Rasta man!

Why are you ignoring my post?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Why are you ignoring my post?

Because that is what he does when someone posts information that contradicts his precious government agencies and beloved masters of the fear monger global warming flat earth theory.

When he does respond to you, it will be nothing more than an attack on the website. He will not address the data. He will not discuss the issue. He will however, call it a rightwing blog... then he will pretend he has some high moral ground, call you a climate denier, and then he will run away again.

Just look at the Climate gate thread in the conspiracy theory portion of the board.... there you will see exactly how he reacts.

 

[cancel2 2022]

How are the cannibis plants doing? Hey my stoner brother, we weren't talking about "acid", as in LSD! Take another bong hit Rasta man!

Cannibis?