NATO and the US

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The Sage
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.
 
1. Strength in Numbers.
2. Putin is stabbing himself in the face. Alienating his Slavic Brothers FOREVER.
3. When your enemy is in quicksand, why help him out?
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.

You can't see anything with your head up Trump's ASS!

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I didn't know Ukraine is our enemy.

Putin is an Autocrat. The New Czar of Russia. Putin wants to subjugate the 'Little Brother', Ukraine.

"Specifically, much of Russia’s political positioning to launch an incursion into Ukrainian territory is based on Putin’s claim that Ukraine — like Russia, a former Soviet state — is an extension of Russia, the “little brother” that has been led astray by the West and must be reincorporated into the family. Thus, he sees Ukraine’s increasing westward turn as a provocation, by both Ukraine and NATO."
https://www.vox.com/2022/1/30/22908600/ukraine-crisis-putin-russia-one-people-myth-nato-europe

By attacking Ukraine, killing it's people, leveling it's cities, Putin has FOREVER lost Ukraine to the West.
By doing NOTHING, the West sits and watches Putin destroy his own idea of 'Slavic Brotherhood'.


Putin ... what an Idiot!
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower. If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.

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The World Police have retired, to the dismay of JPP chickenhawks


For many decades after the second World War, foreign interventions by the United States were the most common of sights.

The reach of the U.S. was seemingly unlimited and, thanks to their dominance of the oceans of the world, the U.S. military was willing and able to ‘defend American interests offensively’ anywhere in the world. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the world became uni-polar, which prompted Francis Fukuyama to announce the “end of history” early in the ‘90s.

But, as with all Empires, there is always a danger of over-extension.

It became apparent that simply bombing a country into submission and installing a new government wasn’t enough to maintain lasting influence in a region, and neither was offering a course on Gender Politics at Kabul University.

Attempts to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan have run up the death toll and proven the impossibility of shaping foreign societies according to Western models, even after many years of attempted restructuring.

Last year, the American retreat from Afghanistan and the following blitz by the Taliban rattled the Western world.

It was the first chapter of an Empire in retreat, unable and unwilling to commit itself anymore to the task of controlling its furthest provinces.

What we are witnessing in Ukraine is—independent of the outcome—the second chapter.

The third chapter, presumably, will be Taiwan, after which the world will have completed its shift from a uni-polar back to a multi-polar world order.

Whether we like it or not, the West will have to adjust to this situation in its dealings with other parts of the world.

It should also be noted that the challenges and strategies in the United States differ from those in Europe.

America is already in the process of re-evaluating its strategies.

The future legacy of bungling Joe Biden (which looks to be disastrous) will only speed up this process.

For a Europe that has been relying on its transatlantic partner for all its military needs, the time will soon arrive to reappraise whether the Big Brother from overseas is willing and able to protect them, or whether he considers them a buffer zone on one hand, and a competitor on the other, best used to engage in conflicts with other major powers to strengthen the position of the United States.



https://europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/five-lessons-for-europe-from-the-ukraine-crisis/
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.

Why be part of a neighborhood watch? :dunno:
 
Putin is an Autocrat. The New Czar of Russia. Putin wants to subjugate the 'Little Brother', Ukraine.

"Specifically, much of Russia’s political positioning to launch an incursion into Ukrainian territory is based on Putin’s claim that Ukraine — like Russia, a former Soviet state — is an extension of Russia, the “little brother” that has been led astray by the West and must be reincorporated into the family. Thus, he sees Ukraine’s increasing westward turn as a provocation, by both Ukraine and NATO."
https://www.vox.com/2022/1/30/22908600/ukraine-crisis-putin-russia-one-people-myth-nato-europe

By attacking Ukraine, killing it's people, leveling it's cities, Putin has FOREVER lost Ukraine to the West.
By doing NOTHING, the West sits and watches Putin destroy his own idea of 'Slavic Brotherhood'.


Putin ... what an Idiot!
Thanks. I'm not well versed in international politics.
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.

More to the point with NATO is Why are we subsidizing the defense of Europe at all? The Europeans could be paying for their own defense. Why should we be the major provider of that to them?
 
LOL. I don't know what should be going on in this situation. It's so complicated.

That's the beauty of it ... we don't have to do anything. Putin is in a hole, and he just keeps digging.

Actually, the HARDEST thing is to 'not do anything'. It's HARD to watch all these women and children running for their lives, leaving behind, their Homes, Cars, nice Jobs, loved ones.
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.
as much as I despise NATO expansion (Cold War redux) and that has forced Putin closer to China
it still serves a purpose to keep Russia in check

We could still go into Ukraine -not being in NATO doesn't mean we can put boots in
( Iraq/Afghan). the problem if we do then it becomes a US vs. Russian war

NATO was fine until we expanded up to Russian borders. The reason Putin went into Ukraine
we because NATO was a defacto NATO state with aspirations for membership and we refused to negotiate that status
 
LOL. I don't know what should be going on in this situation. It's so complicated.
it's a long sordid tale of neocon meddling in Ukraine, the Euromaidan in particular overturned a duly elected president because we did not want Ukraine to join Russia's Eurasian Economic Union
Victoria Nuland and John Mccain - the usual suspects
 
as much as I despise NATO expansion (Cold War redux) and that has forced Putin closer to China
it still serves a purpose to keep Russia in check

We could still go into Ukraine -not being in NATO doesn't mean we can put boots in
( Iraq/Afghan). the problem if we do then it becomes a US vs. Russian war

NATO was fine until we expanded up to Russian borders. The reason Putin went into Ukraine
we because NATO was a defacto NATO state with aspirations for membership and we refused to negotiate that status



Any problem with the Baltic States being on Russia's Border and belonging to NATO?
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.

NATO was created for the express purpose of keeping a burgeoning USSR in check. Remember, numerous NATO countries have nukes as well.....kind of stupid to lessen even the most tenuous stays against a nuke exchange by anyone on the globe, n'cest pas? It ain't perfect, but let's not dissolve into anarchy because of it.

I would suggest a stronger UN, but since the US and Russia and China have a habit of ignoring that institution, my suggestion would be in vain. And the band played on.
 
Any problem with the Baltic States being on Russia's Border and belonging to NATO?
Baltics are small potatos they dont pose any threat to Russia.
Ukraine straddles the Black Sea, is home to Crimea and the Russian fleet at Sevastopol
and is a BIG country with the east loyal to Russia ( economic and cultural)

the strategic importance of a NATO in the Baltics is really not much of anything - it's on Russias border
but doesn't extend anywhere else
Ukraine connects to NATO countries by land and could be used for a front line land war against Russia
 
I was thinking, why does the US need to be in NATO? We are the superpower. There is no benefit to us being in it that I see. The benefit is to the small countries which benefit being allied with us, the superpower.

If we were not in NATO, we could assist Ukraine in this mess. But our hands our tied because of this NATO obligation, which I see no benefit from.
NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States.
 
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