More on Obama's latest gun ban

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The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

Read about it here

 

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obama is a flip flopper extraordinaire

 

[WinterBorn]

This is pure bullshit and the gun buffs and 2nd amendment advocates should be raising hell.

These same rifles were loaned to teenagers in the past. This is an american a firearm as has ever existed.

They should be in the hands of collectors and shooters here in the USA!

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

ID is on my IL, but is this the refusal to import our own M1 Garands and M1 carbines that we loaned South Korea?

 

[Canceled2]

This is pure bullshit and the gun buffs and 2nd amendment advocates should be raising hell.

These same rifles were loaned to teenagers in the past. This is an american a firearm as has ever existed.

They should be in the hands of collectors and shooters here in the USA!

It's total knee-jerk-hand wringing stupidity "administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands".

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Actually, that the ROK government wants to do is sell us the guns. That we loaned them. That's one of the points of contention.

 

[WinterBorn]

Plenty of these type of weapons are available right now, BTW.​

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/444/2/Guns/Rifles/Military-Misc-Rifles-US/M1-Garand.htm​

All the more reason to allow the importation of these historical firearms. If the "wrong hands" wanted them, they would already have them.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

All the more reason to allow the importation of these historical firearms. If the "wrong hands" wanted them, they would already have them.

Not to mention injecting a million of them into the current market would drop prices substantially.

 

[WinterBorn]

If you want an M1, get one, and quit crying about "an Obama gun ban" like a panic-stricken Moron Labe drama queen.


The truth is, you probably didn't read this from the post above.

“This first became an issue in the 1950s,” says Alex Cranmer, vice president of International Military Antiques, and he and his company, which he runs with his father, has run into problems with importation many times over the years. “The key to the issue is the ban on return of American goods, which was introduced after the war, so that lend lease and other firearms weren’t sold back to Americans. The reason was so that foreign governments couldn’t dump these items at discounted prices, and in direct competition with American makers. But this now extends to all sorts of equipment as well, and it isn’t just limited to guns. It is ironic as you can bring in other guns, but you can’t bring in these M1s from Korea.”​

The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 is another component that could ensure that these guns will likely never come home. This act gave the President of the United States the authority to control the import and export of military hardware, which was not limited to just firearms. It further requires governments that receive weapons, and other military equipment, from the United States to use them for “legitimate self-defense.” The act restricts the sale of some technologies as well, but it does put limits on how the guns can be sold. Renforth has also encountered this, and told of efforts to import older vehicles from South America without success. “As far as I know, anything that is military equipment can’t be imported into the United States.”​

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http://www.militarytrader.com/articl...ean-M1-rifles/​

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I read it. I just didn't comment on it.

The fact that they have been available all along shows the lunacy of the "they might fall into the wrong hands" bullshit.

No one is panicked. We are pissed. Many people collect guns with historical value or significance. The guns in question would fit that bill.

 

[WinterBorn]

Panicky Moron Labes remind me of a 4 year old who wants a toy in Wal-Mart even though they have the same toy at home.

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If you gun-pussies really wanted an M1, you would have had one by now, but because you live in fear, you spazz like little girls everytime you hear the word "no".​

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I guess these readily-obtainable rifles aren't good enough, you just gotta have one from Korea...or you'll have a fucking tantrum.​

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http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm​

I guess reading what others post is like sarcasm, just beyond your grasp?

The history of the gun effects the value. One that was used by US troops, then by S. Korean troops, then shipped back home, would be more valuable by some who collect.

And nobody is panicking, despite your best efforts to claim they are.

 

[WinterBorn]

Sure, you're not freaking out over nothing.

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Since you just gotta caress a rifle that was once held by a real soldier, what's wrong with the ones at this link? ​

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"Most of these rifles have been refinished or rebuilt at least once while in military service..."​

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http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/rifles.htm​

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You can rub some Kim Chee on the stock while you fap over it.​

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So as long as some others are available, we should let the gov't deny access to others?

Since the gov't owns shares in GM, why not stop Ford, Nissan and Kia from selling their cars here?



Now, if you would care to show me anywhere I posted that shows any sign of panic, and I'll apologize.

 

[WinterBorn]

Your compulsive, knee-jerk postings are evidence of your fear.



You don't actually want an M1, you're just scared because somebody said you couldn't have a particular batch.



Now, what are you and your fellow panic-pussies going to do? Storm the State Department, brandishing your puny personal arsenal?

Don't just dance around it, link up.

I have seen no evidence of fear from anyone in this thread.



As a matter of fact, your posts seem to be more knee-jerk reactions, and are closer to fearful nonsense than those on my side of the discussion.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Let's not forget that this could be a source of INCOME for the government. Upwards of $1,000,000,000 after sale to dealers and then excise taxes on the guns when the dealers sell them.

 

[WinterBorn]

Your craven, desperate clinging to and clutching deadly weapons is a compulsive reaction to your deep-seated fear.


You fear your fellow man, and call it "self-defense of the home".


You fear the government, and call it "defending gun rights".


Nothing but fear.

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Now, what are you going to do about this latest "threat", wussies?


Don't dance around it.

Jeez you are reaching. So someone who enjoys hunting, enjoyings target shooting, and chooses not to be dependent on an over-stretched and semi-competent police force is doing so out of fear?


Are you afraid of fire, Legion?

 

[WinterBorn]

Your fear is palpable, and pathetic.


As it stands, you can't have the ROK rifles. You don't even want one, do you?


What're you gonna do about it?


Nada.

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You are simply trolling. Let me know when you want an actual discussion or debate.

Otherwise, I'll leave you to your lunacy.

 

[christiefan915]

This isn't new. It dates back to August 2010.

Also, the original was from the Korea Times and the comment was made by an anonymous source. Any references to this so-called gun ban on other sites come from the same Korea Times article. How does anybody know it's even true?

08-12-2010 17:08
[Exclusive] US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles

By Jung Sung-ki

The U.S. government opposed South Korea’s bid to sell hundreds of thousands of aging U.S. combat rifles to American gun collectors, a senior government official said Thursday.

The ministry announced the plan last September as part of efforts to boost its defense budget, saying the export of the M1 Garand and carbine rifles would start by the end of 2009.

The U.S. administration put the brakes on the plan, citing “problems” that could be caused by the importation of the rifles.

The problems the U.S. government cited were somewhat ambiguous, said an official at the Ministry of National Defense on condition of anonymity.

“The U.S. insisted that imports of the aging rifles could cause problems such as firearm accidents. It was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions,” the official told The Korea Times.

“We’re still looking into the reason why the U.S. administration is objecting to the sale of the rifles and seeking ways to resolve the problems raised,” he said.

Critics say the ministry pushed to sell the firearms in a hasty manner without enough consultation with the U.S. beforehand, as calls were growing to increase defense expenditure.

The Seoul government sought to sell the outdated U.S guns back to the United States.

A total of 86,000 M1 rifles and another 22,000 carbines were to be sold, as the weapons have been mothballed for about five decades in military warehouses. The per-unit price of the M1 rifle is about $220 and the carbine is more than $140, according to the ministry.

M1s were made first in 1926 and used in World War II and the 1954-1975 Vietnam War. The carbines were first produced in 1941 and used during the 1950-1953 Korean War.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?newsIdx=71329&categoryCode=205

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

This isn't new. It dates back to August 2010.

Also, the original was from the Korea Times and the comment was made by an anonymous source. Any references to this so-called gun ban on other sites come from the same Korea Times article. How does anybody know it's even true?

08-12-2010 17:08
[Exclusive] US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles

By Jung Sung-ki

The U.S. government opposed South Korea’s bid to sell hundreds of thousands of aging U.S. combat rifles to American gun collectors, a senior government official said Thursday.

The ministry announced the plan last September as part of efforts to boost its defense budget, saying the export of the M1 Garand and carbine rifles would start by the end of 2009.

The U.S. administration put the brakes on the plan, citing “problems” that could be caused by the importation of the rifles.

The problems the U.S. government cited were somewhat ambiguous, said an official at the Ministry of National Defense on condition of anonymity.

“The U.S. insisted that imports of the aging rifles could cause problems such as firearm accidents. It was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions,” the official told The Korea Times.

“We’re still looking into the reason why the U.S. administration is objecting to the sale of the rifles and seeking ways to resolve the problems raised,” he said.

Critics say the ministry pushed to sell the firearms in a hasty manner without enough consultation with the U.S. beforehand, as calls were growing to increase defense expenditure.

The Seoul government sought to sell the outdated U.S guns back to the United States.

A total of 86,000 M1 rifles and another 22,000 carbines were to be sold, as the weapons have been mothballed for about five decades in military warehouses. The per-unit price of the M1 rifle is about $220 and the carbine is more than $140, according to the ministry.

M1s were made first in 1926 and used in World War II and the 1954-1975 Vietnam War. The carbines were first produced in 1941 and used during the 1950-1953 Korean War.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?newsIdx=71329&categoryCode=205

So many things things wrong here.... And the story is older still. It goes back to 09.

 

[WinterBorn]

Translation: Winterborn has been pwned, again.


The smell of fear rises from the gunlover like steam from a fresh turd.

Pwnd? By you making accusations that all gun fans are operating out of fear? WTF? I asked a question and, as usual, you refused to answer.

If this is your idea of what a debate is, its little wonder you have been beaten so badly on so many topics.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

Read about it here

Bizarre decision. Anyone can walk into a store and buy a gun right now, if you just wanted to use it for criminal purposes. Why on Earth would rob a store with an antique rifle from the Korean war?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

It's not even an assault rifle. I mean, really, who the hell is going to use a large, cumbersome semiautomatic rifle for criminal purposes?