More leftist irony

[Teflon Don]

So apparently leftists are extremely orgasmic over the CEO of United Healthcare being gunned down in cold blood by one of their own.

What is so ironic about the entire thing is that as the leftists bitch and moan about the US Healthcare system, they shoudl be reminded that it is their precious Obamacare that is the law of the land and pretty much dictates what is covered and what isn't

Blaming insurance companies is just a useful foil for the uneducated on the topic

 

[Diogenes]

In my experience, leftists seem to be incapable of conscious irony. TD.

It's like this, IMO:

 

[Phantasmal]

So apparently leftists are extremely orgasmic over the CEO of United Healthcare being gunned down in cold blood by one of their own.

What is so ironic about the entire thing is that as the leftists bitch and moan about the US Healthcare system, they shoudl be reminded that it is their precious Obamacare that is the law of the land and pretty much dictates what is covered and what isn't

Blaming insurance companies is just a useful foil for the uneducated on the topic

This shows you truly don’t understand how ACA works.

 

[Diogenes]

This shows you truly don’t understand how ACA works.

I'll understand if you can't explain, of course.

 

[Teflon Don]

This shows you truly don’t understand how ACA works.

So it isn’t law of the land? It doesn’t determine coverages and costs? Is that what you are saying. Be careful

 

[Diogenes]

So it isn’t law of the land? It doesn’t determine coverages and costs? Is that what you are saying. Be careful

She's an imbecile, TD.

 

[Diogenes]

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Does the imbecile remember how we got saddled with Obamacare?

Every single Democrat in Congress voted for it, as I recall.

Before Obamacare it was possible to buy health insurance that covered a catastrophic event (like cancer) and just pay out of pocket for a checkup.

Obamacare means you have to pay more to subsidize all kinds of things that don’t impact you.

And of course it has led to further consolidation in the industry.

It’s a little like how Dodd Frank supposedly reformed the financial industry but really just locked in the dominant positions of the largest banks - the only ones that could afford the compliance costs.

Any kind of big federal regulation that aims to ‘solve’ a problem usually just entrenches the largest players and makes life worse for normal people.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So apparently leftists are extremely orgasmic over the CEO of United Healthcare being gunned down in cold blood by one of their own.

What is so ironic about the entire thing is that as the leftists bitch and moan about the US Healthcare system, they shoudl be reminded that it is their precious Obamacare that is the law of the land and pretty much dictates what is covered and what isn't

Blaming insurance companies is just a useful foil for the uneducated on the topic

What apparently burns the Left on this issue is that the insurance companies won't cover medical expenses that are not covered by the policy they issued, and that they won't wave copays, particularly large copays, that were agreed to when a customer got their policy. They somehow think it is "unfair" that a for-profit insurer should make a profit, even if it is a small and reasonable one. They further seem to think that because of this, the CEO's of insurance companies who operate that way, like United, deserve to be assassinated.

 

[ExpressLane]

This shows you truly don’t understand how ACA works.

Why don't you explain it to us?

 

[Diogenes]

Aren't any issues imbeciles may have with the status of the US healthcare system be taken up with the Democrats - who alone voted for the ACA?


They had to pass it before they could see what was in it, right?

 

[ExpressLane]

What apparently burns the Left on this issue is that the insurance companies won't cover medical expenses that are not covered by the policy they issued, and that they won't wave copays, particularly large copays, that were agreed to when a customer got their policy. They somehow think it is "unfair" that a for-profit insurer should make a profit, even if it is a small and reasonable one. They further seem to think that because of this, the CEO's of insurance companies who operate that way, like United, deserve to be assassinated.

Yes , I have had patients that took out the cheapest available policy. The policy with the highest copay. Then they are shocked when they are on the hook for the first 5-10K of a bill. I will never understand it.

 

[Phantasmal]

So it isn’t law of the land? It doesn’t determine coverages and costs? Is that what you are saying. Be careful

No, there are general provisions which must be covered, like preexisting conditions, but otherwise, it is the insurance companies which arbitrate what will and won’t be covered.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

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Does the imbecile remember how we got saddled with Obamacare?

Every single Democrat in Congress voted for it, as I recall.

Before Obamacare it was possible to buy health insurance that covered a catastrophic event (like cancer) and just pay out of pocket for a checkup.

Obamacare means you have to pay more to subsidize all kinds of things that don’t impact you.

And of course it has led to further consolidation in the industry.

It’s a little like how Dodd Frank supposedly reformed the financial industry but really just locked in the dominant positions of the largest banks - the only ones that could afford the compliance costs.

Any kind of big federal regulation that aims to ‘solve’ a problem usually just entrenches the largest players and makes life worse for normal people.

It also is heavily subsidized today by taxpayer money, something that was not supposed to occur. Insurers were supposed to pay in to a fund to cover the operating costs of Obamacare and cover the subsidizing of policies. That has never happened. The amount insurers pay in has always fallen far short of the operating costs so the Democrats--Democrats--modified Obamacare to allow tax money to make up the difference.

The Affordable Care Act Has Not Been Affordable For Taxpayers

The ACA’s subsidies have obscured the program’s true costs, and its impact on insurance coverage has fallen short of projections.

www.forbes.com

Today, Obamacare costs about $350 billion in tax revenue to prop up, and that number is going up fast.

One of the most expensive parts of Obamacare is expanded Medicaid / Medicare. This is wholly subsidized by federal and state tax revenue and constitutes almost all of the new coverage of persons who previously did not have health insurance. That is, Obamacare saw few new buyers of policies while it saw a huge increase in the number of people on government funded and subsidized Medicaid.

So, it can easily be demonstrated that it absolutely and completely failed to deliver anything that was promised. All it has done is raise the cost of health insurance and created a new layer of expensive bureaucracy to go with that.

 

[Diogenes]

No, there are general provisions which must be covered, like preexisting conditions, but otherwise, it is the insurance companies which arbitrate what will and won’t be covered.

Who told you that?

 

[Diogenes]

Here are the six, supposed, things Obamacare accomplished.

Protecting Those with Pre-Existing Conditions​

I can give this one. But we didn't need a comprehensive takeover of private health insurance to get it.

Lowering Costs​

This one is complete bullshit. It shifted costs, not lowered them. Obamacare cost $1.1 trillion in 2023 according to the CBO

Federal Subsidies for Health Insurance: 2023 to 2033

In 2023, federal subsidies for health insurance are estimated to be $1.8 trillion, or 7.0 percent of gross domestic product (GDP). In CBO and JCT’s projections, those net subsidies reach $3.3 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP, in 2033.

www.cbo.gov

Providing Free Preventive Care​

This too is a complete lie. The care isn't "free." Somebody is paying for it. All it does is not make the person receiving the care pay for it.

Covering Essential Health Benefits​

Essential? Maternity care? For half the population, that's irrelevant. There's lots more that is irrelevant but forced coverage in Obamacare. If anything the "One size fits all" policies issued are costly because people can't choose what healthcare they want and coverage they want. They're forced into a standardized plan designed by government bureaucrats and all they can do is decide what kind of copays they're willing to have.

Expanding Medicaid​

So, the welfare state was expanded. We didn't need Obamacare to do that.

Cutting Uninsured Rates in Half​

Almost entirely by expanding Medicaid.

Status of State Medicaid Expansion Decisions | KFF

This page displays an interactive map of the current status of state decisions on the Affordable Care Act's Medicaid expansion. Additional Medicaid expansion resources are listed (with links) below the map.

www.kff.org

Ten years of Obamacare, aka the Medicaid Expansion Act - Washington Examiner

Obamacare was signed into law 10 years ago today. Although the public’s attention is squarely focused on the coronavirus crisis, the law has been the dominant issue in our nation’s politics over the past decade, and it’s important to understand how it’s working.Unfortunately, it’s not working at...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

That is, the number of people buying plans remained about the same as before Obamacare while all of the expanded coverage came from picking up people on expanded Medicaid who were uninsured before. This later group pays little or nothing in and gets coverage on the taxpayer dime.

Conclusion:

Obamacare is a largely meaningless gesture that adds cost, complexity, and reduces the quality of care for tens of millions of Americans.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Diogenes]

The official Senate record indicates that Democrats passed the law that imbeciles bitch about today.

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 3590 as Amended )
Vote Number: 396
Vote Date: December 24, 2009, 07:05 AM

Required For Majority: 1/2
Vote Result: Bill Passed

Measure Number: H.R. 3590 (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act )
Measure Title: An act entitled The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Vote Counts:
YEAs60

NAYs
39

Not Voting
1

 

[Taichiliberal]

So apparently leftists are extremely orgasmic over the CEO of United Healthcare being gunned down in cold blood by one of their own.

What is so ironic about the entire thing is that as the leftists bitch and moan about the US Healthcare system, they shoudl be reminded that it is their precious Obamacare that is the law of the land and pretty much dictates what is covered and what isn't

Blaming insurance companies is just a useful foil for the uneducated on the topic

Are you really this fucking stupid or just one insipidly stubborn Maga troll on the payroll?

FYI: Obamacare was a compromise for the folk who use stooges like you as doormats. Instead of universal healthcare, you get a mandate that business must give their employees healthcare insurance in some form or another. That's in accordance with our Constitution for government to function for "the general welfare" of the people. And of course, the healthcare insurance companies increase their profits. Look it up.

Pointing out how insurance companies essentially screw over their PAYING customers routinely is not "blame", but an accurate assessment. That YOU are in denial of such speaks volumes towards your willful and genuine ignorance on the subject.

There's nothing "ironic" here, toodles. What's got the MSM and corporate/political America's panties in a twist is that a WHITE, INHERENTLY WEALTHY AND WELL EDUCATED WHITE MAN spoke in the only language that the aforementioned understand. You push people until their backs are against the wall, they may just push back.

 

[Teflon Don]

No, there are general provisions which must be covered, like preexisting conditions, but otherwise, it is the insurance companies which arbitrate what will and won’t be covered.

Just as I thought. You don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[Teflon Don]

Are you really this fucking stupid or just one insipidly stubborn Maga troll on the payroll?

FYI: Obamacare was a compromise for the folk who use stooges like you as doormats. Instead of universal healthcare, you get a mandate that business must give their employees healthcare insurance in some form or another. That's in accordance with our Constitution for government to function for "the general welfare" of the people. And of course, the healthcare insurance companies increase their profits. Look it up.

Pointing out how insurance companies essentially screw over their PAYING customers routinely is not "blame", but an accurate assessment. That YOU are in denial of such speaks volumes towards your willful and genuine ignorance on the subject.

There's nothing "ironic" here, toodles. What's got the MSM and corporate/political America's panties in a twist is that a WHITE, INHERENTLY WEALTHY AND WELL EDUCATED WHITE MAN spoke in the only language that the aforementioned understand. You push people until their backs are against the wall, they may just push back.

That was an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

I haven’t heard the “general welfare” trope in a really long time. Thank you for the laughs. And congrats on defending a cold blooded murderer.