More favors for unions....

Another post just dripping with envy and petty jealousy.

You do realize those "stupid union protesters" are citizens just like you and entitled to the same rights and benefits as you, right?

I thought all Libertarians were for "self-reliance" and "personal responsibility"?

Whining because someone else got himself a better deal than you is unbecoming you "personal responsibility" types.

When the gov't takes my wealth, my money, to bail them out, for any reason, "self-reliance" and "personal responsibility" becomes more of an issue than some may realize.

They made their bed. Let them sleep in it.

They shouldn't expect a bailout from people like me without a fight.

What about my rights? And people like me?
 
I read this in The Economist last week and remembered this thread. Thought it was a good read.


The White House and American business

Don't bully Boeing, Barack

Want to prove you are “pro-business”? Condemn a loony-left complaint against America’s biggest exporter


IF YOU book a holiday and the flight is cancelled, you may decide to use a different airline the next time. Airlines know this, which is why Sir Richard Branson, the boss of Virgin Group, was so angry when Boeing failed to deliver the planes he needed to ferry thousands of passengers to sunny climes one Christmas. He blamed a strike by Boeing workers in Washington state. “If union leaders and management can’t get their act together to avoid strikes, we’re not going to come back here again,” he told reporters. “We’re already thinking: ‘Would we ever risk putting another order with Boeing?’”

No one disputes a traveller’s right to switch airlines, or an airline’s right to switch suppliers. But woe betide an aircraft-maker that tries to shift production from a strike-plagued American state to a more business-friendly one; at least, if the National Labour Relations Board (NLRB) gets its way. Under President Barack Obama, the federal agency charged with policing interactions between firms and employees has started to interpret old laws in new and troubling ways.

Its case against Boeing goes like this. Since 1995 Boeing has suffered three strikes at its unionised factories near Seattle. The longest stoppage, in 2008, lasted for eight weeks, cost the firm $2 billion and prompted customers such as Sir Richard to use phrases like “absolutely and utterly ghastly”. Oddly enough, when deciding where to expand production, Boeing took this into account. In 2009 it announced that it would build a new factory to assemble 787 Dreamliner jumbos in South Carolina. That, the NLRB’s general counsel claims, was an illegal act of “retaliation” against strikers in Washington, aimed at intimidating them into not striking in the future. Its proposed remedy is for Boeing to move the work to Washington. What would become of the $1 billion it has already invested in the new factory, and the 1,000 South Carolinians it has hired, is anyone’s guess. The case will be heard next month (see article).

Be careful what you wish for

The 1935 National Labour Relations Act has never been construed so broadly. Boeing is not actually reducing the amount of work it does in Washington. Quite the opposite: it increased its workforce there by 2,000. It is not closing the factories where the strikes occurred, nor is it sacking the strikers. It is merely choosing to add capacity in a state where labour relations are more cordial. In Washington, once workers at a company vote to unionise, every employee can be forced to join (and pay dues to) the union. In South Carolina they cannot. It is one of 22 “right to work” states where such compulsion is illegal (and to which millions of jobs have migrated).

Labour unions hate right-to-work laws, and are hoping that the NLRB will undermine them. They should be careful what they wish for. The NLRB’s line of reasoning would make it potentially illegal to build a new factory in a right-to-work state if you already operate one in a heavily unionised state—creating a powerful incentive never to do business in a heavily unionised state in the first place. It would be safer to make things only in places like South Carolina, or perhaps south China.

The NLRB is an autonomous body, but its board members are appointed by the president. Under a Democratic president, American businesses expect a more pro-union line, but the agency’s recent militancy is shocking, reminiscent of “loony-left” posturing in Britain in the 1970s. Not only does the agency in effect claim the power to tell firms where they may build factories. It is also suing two states (Arizona and South Dakota) where voters have decided that workers should be guaranteed a secret-ballot election before their workplace is unionised. Mr Obama has so far said nothing about any of these cases. The president claims he understands business. Condemning the NLRB would be a good way to prove it.


http://www.economist.com/node/18712206
 
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I support the idea of Unions.who would protect the average workers from big corporations? On the other hand I don't like their recruiting tactics. they don't except NO for an answer. forcing people who don't want to be in a Union to join or else.This happened to my mom.this last mother. They harassed her night and day until they said join the union or you don't have a job.That's not right ether.People should have the right to choose if they want to be in the union or not.
 
I read this in The Economist last week and remembered this thread. Thought it was a good read.


The White House and American business

Don't bully Boeing, Barack

Want to prove you are “pro-business”? Condemn a loony-left complaint against America’s biggest exporter


IF YOU book a holiday and the flight is cancelled, you may decide to use a different airline the next time. Airlines know this, which is why Sir Richard Branson, the boss of Virgin Group, was so angry when Boeing failed to deliver the planes he needed to ferry thousands of passengers to sunny climes one Christmas. He blamed a strike by Boeing workers in Washington state. “If union leaders and management can’t get their act together to avoid strikes, we’re not going to come back here again,” he told reporters. “We’re already thinking: ‘Would we ever risk putting another order with Boeing?’”

No one disputes a traveller’s right to switch airlines, or an airline’s right to switch suppliers. But woe betide an aircraft-maker that tries to shift production from a strike-plagued American state to a more business-friendly one; at least, if the National Labour Relations Board (NLRB) gets its way. Under President Barack Obama, the federal agency charged with policing interactions between firms and employees has started to interpret old laws in new and troubling ways.

Its case against Boeing goes like this. Since 1995 Boeing has suffered three strikes at its unionised factories near Seattle. The longest stoppage, in 2008, lasted for eight weeks, cost the firm $2 billion and prompted customers such as Sir Richard to use phrases like “absolutely and utterly ghastly”. Oddly enough, when deciding where to expand production, Boeing took this into account. In 2009 it announced that it would build a new factory to assemble 787 Dreamliner jumbos in South Carolina. That, the NLRB’s general counsel claims, was an illegal act of “retaliation” against strikers in Washington, aimed at intimidating them into not striking in the future. Its proposed remedy is for Boeing to move the work to Washington. What would become of the $1 billion it has already invested in the new factory, and the 1,000 South Carolinians it has hired, is anyone’s guess. The case will be heard next month (see article).

Be careful what you wish for

The 1935 National Labour Relations Act has never been construed so broadly. Boeing is not actually reducing the amount of work it does in Washington. Quite the opposite: it increased its workforce there by 2,000. It is not closing the factories where the strikes occurred, nor is it sacking the strikers. It is merely choosing to add capacity in a state where labour relations are more cordial. In Washington, once workers at a company vote to unionise, every employee can be forced to join (and pay dues to) the union. In South Carolina they cannot. It is one of 22 “right to work” states where such compulsion is illegal (and to which millions of jobs have migrated).

Labour unions hate right-to-work laws, and are hoping that the NLRB will undermine them. They should be careful what they wish for. The NLRB’s line of reasoning would make it potentially illegal to build a new factory in a right-to-work state if you already operate one in a heavily unionised state—creating a powerful incentive never to do business in a heavily unionised state in the first place. It would be safer to make things only in places like South Carolina, or perhaps south China.

The NLRB is an autonomous body, but its board members are appointed by the president. Under a Democratic president, American businesses expect a more pro-union line, but the agency’s recent militancy is shocking, reminiscent of “loony-left” posturing in Britain in the 1970s. Not only does the agency in effect claim the power to tell firms where they may build factories. It is also suing two states (Arizona and South Dakota) where voters have decided that workers should be guaranteed a secret-ballot election before their workplace is unionised. Mr Obama has so far said nothing about any of these cases. The president claims he understands business. Condemning the NLRB would be a good way to prove it.


http://www.economist.com/node/18712206


It's the same story Boeing, the Wall St. Journal and Nikki Haley are trying to sell. It's nonsense. There are myriad ways for businesses that suffer loss of customers and business as a result of a work stoppage to shift production to non-unionized locations that do not violate the law. It's just that the dumbshits at Boeing admitted not that they took the work stoppages into account,but that the work stoppages were "the overriding factor." Pretending this is some radical new interpretation of the labor laws is ridiculous.
 
It's the same story Boeing, the Wall St. Journal and Nikki Haley are trying to sell. It's nonsense. There are myriad ways for businesses that suffer loss of customers and business as a result of a work stoppage to shift production to non-unionized locations that do not violate the law. It's just that the dumbshits at Boeing admitted not that they took the work stoppages into account,but that the work stoppages were "the overriding factor." Pretending this is some radical new interpretation of the labor laws is ridiculous.

Again.... it DOES NOT PENALIZE THE CURRENT WORKFORCE IN WA.

They still have their jobs.... in fact 2000 have been added to the plants in WA
They are still building the same planes.... that too has not changed

Please explain how this 'penalizes or punishes the workers'

It most certainly IS a new interpretation of the law. I can see no way in which the workers were affected. So how is it retaliation?
 
Again.... it DOES NOT PENALIZE THE CURRENT WORKFORCE IN WA.

They still have their jobs.... in fact 2000 have been added to the plants in WA
They are still building the same planes.... that too has not changed

Please explain how this 'penalizes or punishes the workers'

It most certainly IS a new interpretation of the law. I can see no way in which the workers were affected. So how is it retaliation?


I'm not going over this with you again.
 
So, work stoppages by a bunch of overpaid whiny twits causes Boeing a couple billion dollars, and, potentially a few contracts. Boeing responds to the situation by deciding to expand in an area where such nonsense can be avoided. Why should they continue to be threatened by this union crap anyway? Good for them. I'm sure SC citizens are happy to have the jobs.

If Boeing's actions are illegal, then the law is wrong. Unions should have ZERO authority telling a corporation where they can or cannot expand their business.
 
So, work stoppages by a bunch of overpaid whiny twits causes Boeing a couple billion dollars, and, potentially a few contracts. Boeing responds to the situation by deciding to expand in an area where such nonsense can be avoided. Why should they continue to be threatened by this union crap anyway? Good for them. I'm sure SC citizens are happy to have the jobs. If Boeing's actions are illegal, then the law is wrong. Unions should have ZERO authority telling a corporation where they can or cannot expand their business.



It's too bad you don't get to decide which laws to ignore, isn't it, Good Suck?
 
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